BIL Socialists

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Also, some lobsters will likely open their minds due to Peterson's sheer incompetence. But I think many will be lost in the sea of information that is Zizek ranting. I've already seen so much shitty debate culture people bending over backwards on this one to find any way to keep the blinders on.

[lobsterdog]

honestly i'd say anyone who voluntarily watched this thing should be sterilized, but they're never going to have sex anyway.

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As someone who watched it, I'm with you. I don't deserve sex and it was a waste of 3 hours.

[lobsterdog]

bruh there was playoff basketball on at the same time last night.

get it together.

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Probably won't help me with getting laid but this is a much better

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Rick Roderick rules and is like watching some old territorial southern wrestler cut a promo on philosophy.

Nietzche and The Post Modern Condition is incredible.

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I find it funny how difficult it is to tell the "socialist" Bernie Sanders, and the "capitalist" Elizabeth Warren apart these days. On Bernie's campaign site he calls for "the significant reduction of student debt." Warren recently called for its elimination, in reality though, about 95% of debtors. Their policy across the board is extremely similar.

review.chicagobooth.edu/economics/2016/article/conventional-wisdom-bernie-sanders-keynesian-candidate

According to this article as recently as 2016, Sanders claims he "didn't support the government owning the means of production." Sanders has been entirely de-socialized, supporting a vague Keynesian approach to politics and the role of government. His use of the word "socialism" has only been used to build campaign branding. Oh well I guess? Is this what electoralism at the level of the United States Senate turns candidates into? Maybe the Lee Carters of the world may be allowed to exist only in proportion to the power they wield.

Obviously, we should still support Sanders. We need things like Medicare-for-all and college-for-all. But it's not socialism. In the immortal words of Cenk Uyger, "socialism is when the government does stuff."

[Yung Nick]

idk man if you ask some of my employees (lol look at what im saying), he's a communist...lol

[lobsterdog]

He's a social democrat in the vein of the Nordic countries and we've all known that since at least 2015

It would be much cooler if he was Bernie from the 80s but what can you do? No one out there is running that kind of platform. As much as I spit on incrementalism, this is where we're at right now.

[Luther Manhole]

https://www.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/bgxc5g/angela_here_ask_away/

Angela Nagle did an AMA on Reddit

[immortalrites]

Ah yes in the anti-idpol forum. Surely nobody will continue to call her a Strasserite now.

[lobsterdog]

Angela Nagle suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks

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Mike Davis has a wonderful book about how America never spawned a significant party of the working class. Labor organizing being divided around language/cultural issues was massive. Nagle read a book, dummy.

[198d]

I don't know who Angela Nagle is but that subreddit is amusing. I fucking hate leftist twitter and antifa so documenting dumb shit they involve themselves in is amusing to me.

[lobsterdog]

the subreddit is basically a breeding ground for nazis

[198d]

Apr 24, 2019 19:51:42 GMT -5 lobsterdog said:

the subreddit is basically a breeding ground for nazis

How?

[immortalrites]

"leftists" with latent social conservatism have a lot in common with the far right.

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Planet of Slums is mandatory Mike Davis reading. Dude is fantastic.

stupidpol isn't some fash organizing sphere. it's radical critique of identity politics.

I can't give a better example than last night at a US Senators forum talking about Green New Deal. First question was asked by a black high school student and heard audible yassss and snapping instead of clapping. She wen't on to ask how fossil fuel related jobs would be replaced, fair question, but because she was a graphic designer into marketing and did an internship at Chevron.

Seeing those people utterly hollowed out realizing not everyone based upon x y z has the same interests was harrowing but also hilarious because of their righteousness. Trite hollow reductionism is bullshit.

[198d]

That sub uses abhorrent language and is taken to an extreme. However, the western left is on some shit. Their lack of self-awareness, unabashed self-importance (liberalism) and obsession with ruining people's reputations as a pastime is actually insane and needs to be checked.

Nothing confuses me more than when I see someone with an anime twitter avatar quoting Mao and Ho Chi Min while advocating the doxxing of people over "problematic" things they said on the internet. If you've read anything about most revolutionaries, they would have fucking hated people like this. It's like they know they're ineffectual losers who are both too scared and too privileged to ever fight in a revolutionary struggle, so they have to larp it up on twitter to live out a fantasy.

[immortalrites]

I'm all for the critique of performative wokeness, cancel culture, the short-coming of #MeToo, etc. but pretty much every "anti-successful jewish woman" space I've seen online is infested with crypto fash. These so-called leftists use calling everyone a scold as a way to insulate themselves from criticism for their shitty behavior, language, and apinions.

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Cancel everyone is basically the purity test on those platforms. It's full of creepy dudes and aesthetic worship.

Those platforms promote individuals in all types of fucked up ways that they adopt the same ideology while hiding behind another.

Most of them are tankinis too which is utterly bizarre because:

Against Vulgarising The Slogan of Self Criticism by Stalin, On Practice by Mao and To Be A Communist by Shaoqi warn against this. Especially the latter...

[198d]

That's totally fair, and in most cases, I completely agree. However, my problem is when people think criticizing those things is "crypto fash" by default.

It's not like I'm a bro class-reductionist, but I have big fucking problems with the spill over of petit- bourgeois individualism into socialism. I don't think these people realize how much "me" is in their politics.

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This is why I talk about how platforms and mediums dictate the message. Capital is plastic and will absorb everything the same way. You have to message on its terms. Twitter and Facebook are full of commie dipshits and it ain't good...

You rarely meet people in real life who are that dedicated to being extremely online. Whenver they do that stuff face to face in real time, they're laughed at, and rightfully so.

People are way more open to hard left views if you drop jargon and ask hard questions about their material conditions. Propaganda has destroyed the entire lexicon of the left.

Ho Chi Mihn was translating French and
explaining Marxist theory to illiterate people for fuck sake. Material conditions are what draws people in...

[immortalrites]

Apr 24, 2019 20:25:45 GMT -5 @dds4 said:

Most of them are tankinis too which is utterly bizarre because:

Against Vulgarising The Slogan of Self Criticism by Stalin, On Practice by Mao and To Be A Communist by Shaoqi warn against this. Especially the latter...

Extremely Online tankinis don't read that sort of thing. It would eat into their murder fantasy posting time.

[198d]

And all left tendencies are guilty of it. I just consider myself a Marxist but I also believe Lenin was the truth so I lean ML. Twitter MLs are fucking terrible people who I would never want to hang out with in real life because they're so detached from reality it's honestly sad.

You may think you're being a "good comrade" by trying to interject your social justice platforms into every aspect of your life, but you're probably just annoying and whiny. A good comrade knows how to pick battles and when to shut the fuck up and be respectful.

My friend's white GF who is of this ilk started a debate at the dinner table the other night over veganism. She was trying to argue with 60 year old Arab men (my friend's dad and his guest) who survived the Lebanese Civil War why its immoral to eat meat...

While anecdotal, it just gives some perspective as to how fucking insufferable people like this are.

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Apr 24, 2019 20:30:50 GMT -5 198d said:

That's totally fair, and in most cases, I completely agree. However, my problem is when people think criticizing those things is "crypto fash" by default.

It's not like I'm a bro class-reductionist, but I have big fucking problems with the spill over of petit- bourgeois individualism into socialism. I don't think these people realize how much "me" is in their politics.

This is my big fear. Yeah we all struggle with health insurance, student debt, etc.

It reminds me of single issue voters on decriminalization of dense nuggs of fat buds. Just fucking do it to see where they stand...

It hurts them so of course they are on board but there's no ethic or ideological background behind it. It's pure self interest.

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youtu.be/Okz2YMW1AwY

Excellent summary of Soviet democracy

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Everyone here is probably pretty familiar already, but this is an excellent video.

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Shared it over in the mental illness thread. 

Also "every suicide is a murder" is a pretty good critique.

[Luther Manhole]

Ima be real, I thought posted that Angela nagle thing thinking she was Jane mcalevey