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Post by throwdemgunz on Jul 26, 2024 23:28:22 GMT -5
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Post by SUN HIT FACE on Jul 27, 2024 1:22:31 GMT -5
Attn all academic punks - why is hardcore punk enjoying a renaissance? www.theguardian.com/music/article/2024/jul/26/hardcore-punk-outbreak-festival-plastics-have-heart-harms-way-incendiary-soccer-mommyGo hard or go home: why is hardcore punk enjoying a renaissance?
The success of Manchester’s Outbreak festival shows the appetite for the genre isn’t just healthy, it’s on the rise. Its organisers discuss the scene’s evolution, its fragility, and its (very loud) future Emma Garland Fri 26 Jul 2024 09.00 EDT At the end of June this year thousands of people – from Scotland to Bulgaria, Chile to Singapore – gathered in an industrial estate in Manchester to boot each other in the head. That wasn’t the express purpose, of course, but a common side-effect of attending Outbreak, the hardcore punk festival that has become a flagship event for a genre experiencing an unprecedented moment of mainstream visibility. Bursting out of the American suburbs in the late 1970s, hardcore was a response to the punk and new wave invasion that had dominated the years prior. Early bands such as Black Flag, Bad Brains and Dead Kennedys distilled the rawness of punk and pushed it to extremes, pioneering a do-it-yourself ethos, and a fast, frantic sound that became the definitive sonic kickback to a decade of Reaganomics and rising conservatism. Though the sound of hardcore has evolved over the decades, spawning various subgenres (screamo, queercore, powerviolence) and acting as the jumping-off point for many of the pop-punk and emo bands that defined the 2000s, that grassroots philosophy has been unwavering. It’s there in the origins of Outbreak, too. Founded in 2011 by two guys in their mid-teens, purely because they were too young to get into local shows at 18+ venues, Outbreak began as a local DIY event for UK-based hardcore bands. “I didn’t have a clue what I was doing,” shrugs one of the organisers, who, in the spirit of collectivism that underpins the festival, asks not to be named. “I just really wanted to see these bands. So I thought: if I bring them all together in an all-ages venue, then I’ll get to see them. It was as simple as that.” The inaugural Outbreak was an all-dayer held at a recreational hall in Sheffield. Since then, it has grown slowly and organically into a full weekend with an international bill and enough demand to fill Manchester’s 10,000 capacity Depot Mayfield – which it did in 2023. This year the festival returned to its 2022 home of Bowlers Exhibition Centre in Manchester, debuting an outdoor stage and a lineup that cast a wide but discerning net across the alternative music landscape. Alongside the traditional hardcore bands that have been in rotation since the festival’s formative years (Have Heart, Harm’s Way, Incendiary) and the newer homegrown acts that have followed in their stead (at least seven of whom are from Glasgow), you’ll find everything from experimental hip-hop (16mm filmstock) to midwest emo (American Football) and indie rock (Soccer Mommy), most of which is accompanied by a lot of stage-diving. In many ways, Outbreak is evolving in line with hardcore itself, which is undergoing an intense period of change. In 2022, the New York Times declared an American hardcore “renaissance”, citing a slew of bands such as Gulch, Drain and Drug Church, who are made up of hardcore lifers but driving new excitement in the scene. Since then, things have continued to snowball. In 2023, Baltimore hybridists Turnstile received three Grammy nominations. In May, Kentucky hardcore-metal fusionists Knocked Loose overtook Taylor Swift on Spotify’s Viral 50 chart, which measures how frequently songs are shared. The same month, Torrance, California punks Joyce Manor – who swamped Outbreak’s main stage on Sunday – were a musical guest on John Mulaney’s live Netflix show Everybody’s in LA, performing between St Vincent and Warren G. Perhaps one reason why hardcore is experiencing a particularly enthusiastic resurgence is the growing diversity of the scene. Hardcore has always been inclusive, but its aggressive nature has sometimes attracted unwanted attention. In the mid-80s, there was a serious problem of white supremacists storming shows. The more neo-Nazis turned up, the more anti-fascists turned up to fight back, and a scene founded on social awareness and “positive mental attitude (PMA)” – a phrase popularised by Bad Brains, an all-Black band – spiralled into violence. A streak of genre purism has also gatekept hardcore by dictating who can express themselves and to what degree, which gave the subculture an overwhelmingly white image. However, a true history of hardcore is one that has always belonged to everyone, whether it’s dub and reggae underpinning punk in the 70s, to the influence of Muslim fusion groups such as Fun-Da-Mental in the 90s, to a more genreless 2010s landscape that saw hip-hop collective Odd Future link up with hardcore act Trash Talk. Today, hardcore has never been more diverse, both sonically and in the makeup of its participants. Bands including Soul Glo, Zulu and Scowl are splicing in elements of other genres such as blues, funk, jazz, powerpop and soul. The frontman of rising Sydney band Speed plays the flute on stage. There are multiple groups that sing in Arabic. As the definition of what hardcore “is” becomes less rigid, the sound expands, and that creates more points of entry. This year’s Outbreak lineup boasted an eclectic range of artists, from Moroccan “Harami punk” (Taqbir) and Egyptian death metal (Scarab) to jazz-rap (redveil). This bill, in turn, drew a crowd that evaded easy categorisation but had a clearly united front. Gen Z kids in clown makeup (fans of California “goth jesters” the Garden) were queueing for pizza with dads sporting Apple watches and jorts. A wheelchair user crowdsurfed during a set by Bristol chain-punks Perp Walk. Almost every artist called for the liberation of Palestine (the singer of Show Me the Body wen't one step further and offered anyone who disagreed outside for a fight). Whether on stage or in the crowd, these are ultimately people who all share the same DNA of DIY ethics, social justice and musical physicality. That’s hardcore. The sound, then, has increasingly less to do with it. “I don’t call it a hardcore festival any more. I don’t really know how to describe it,” one of the organisers says. One of the challenges an event like Outbreak now faces is preserving the foundations of hardcore with increasing demand for it. Ultimately, it’s a type of music born from and desighned for small spaces and sweaty crowds, with no separation between audience and artist. That means no bouncers. No barriers. The stage, if there is one, belongs to everyone: anyone can climb on it and dive into the crowd. Maintaining those values in a large venue with thousands of people requires a lot of paperwork. The same goes for communicating with parts of the music industry that wouldn’t necessarily be involved with a DIY event, from health and safety teams to venue staff and security. “As the festival has grown, it’s really been about welcoming those people into our team and teaching them what [hardcore] is, how people interact with each other, and why it’s safe even though it looks like chaos.” Understandably, the ballooning interest in hardcore has made some dyed-in-the-wool fans nervous. The more commercially viable a subculture becomes, the more things get lost in translation. That can have an impact on a scene that most people involved don’t view as entertainment, or something to do after work – but as a way of life. At the same time, the barrier to entry is still, realistically, too high for hardcore to go the way of previous underground subculture turned mainstream phenomena, such as Green Day-era pop-punk or My Chemical Romance-era emo. A few bands, like Turnstile, might go the way of red carpets and Top 40 radio, but we’re not likely to hear Knocked Loose frontman Bryan Garris dog-barking at Wembley stadium any time soon. For Outbreak, the future lies in preserving what’s already been built. “It realistically can’t get any bigger than it is now, and truthfully I don’t think it ever needs to be,” an organiser says, adding that it should, above all else, be a space for people to freely express themselves. “That’s the main goal: for people to find their place, feel as if they belong somewhere, and connect with people that are like-minded. As long as the festival is still doing that, I don’t see any reason for it to stop.” The same applies to hardcore at large. It’s been more than 40 years since Bad Brains and Black Flag first kicked down the doors, and their legacy is as moral as it is musical. As long as there are people who feel angry and alienated, there will be a hardcore scene – visible to dozens of people or millions – to mop them up. James K breaks self-imposed exile to post response essay to this, when?
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Post by xMOOKAIx on Jul 27, 2024 1:28:12 GMT -5
First we need to make threads about him and get a racist poster to insult him for him to come back
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Post by oatmeal on Jul 27, 2024 1:54:23 GMT -5
Need a good racist poster to shake things up and unite board
Who volunteers
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Post by xMOOKAIx on Jul 27, 2024 2:18:39 GMT -5
Need a good racist poster to shake things up and unite board Who volunteers sofia exists
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Post by oatmeal on Jul 27, 2024 3:48:01 GMT -5
Need a good racist poster to shake things up and unite board Who volunteers sofia exists goofy tribe girls do not engage in racism😡
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Post by jimmyspudboy on Jul 27, 2024 4:19:38 GMT -5
Attn all academic punks - why is hardcore punk enjoying a renaissance? www.theguardian.com/music/article/2024/jul/26/hardcore-punk-outbreak-festival-plastics-have-heart-harms-way-incendiary-soccer-mommyGo hard or go home: why is hardcore punk enjoying a renaissance?
The success of Manchester’s Outbreak festival shows the appetite for the genre isn’t just healthy, it’s on the rise. Its organisers discuss the scene’s evolution, its fragility, and its (very loud) future Emma Garland Fri 26 Jul 2024 09.00 EDT At the end of June this year thousands of people – from Scotland to Bulgaria, Chile to Singapore – gathered in an industrial estate in Manchester to boot each other in the head. That wasn’t the express purpose, of course, but a common side-effect of attending Outbreak, the hardcore punk festival that has become a flagship event for a genre experiencing an unprecedented moment of mainstream visibility. Bursting out of the American suburbs in the late 1970s, hardcore was a response to the punk and new wave invasion that had dominated the years prior. Early bands such as Black Flag, Bad Brains and Dead Kennedys distilled the rawness of punk and pushed it to extremes, pioneering a do-it-yourself ethos, and a fast, frantic sound that became the definitive sonic kickback to a decade of Reaganomics and rising conservatism. Though the sound of hardcore has evolved over the decades, spawning various subgenres (screamo, queercore, powerviolence) and acting as the jumping-off point for many of the pop-punk and emo bands that defined the 2000s, that grassroots philosophy has been unwavering. It’s there in the origins of Outbreak, too. Founded in 2011 by two guys in their mid-teens, purely because they were too young to get into local shows at 18+ venues, Outbreak began as a local DIY event for UK-based hardcore bands. “I didn’t have a clue what I was doing,” shrugs one of the organisers, who, in the spirit of collectivism that underpins the festival, asks not to be named. “I just really wanted to see these bands. So I thought: if I bring them all together in an all-ages venue, then I’ll get to see them. It was as simple as that.” The inaugural Outbreak was an all-dayer held at a recreational hall in Sheffield. Since then, it has grown slowly and organically into a full weekend with an international bill and enough demand to fill Manchester’s 10,000 capacity Depot Mayfield – which it did in 2023. This year the festival returned to its 2022 home of Bowlers Exhibition Centre in Manchester, debuting an outdoor stage and a lineup that cast a wide but discerning net across the alternative music landscape. Alongside the traditional hardcore bands that have been in rotation since the festival’s formative years (Have Heart, Harm’s Way, Incendiary) and the newer homegrown acts that have followed in their stead (at least seven of whom are from Glasgow), you’ll find everything from experimental hip-hop (16mm filmstock) to midwest emo (American Football) and indie rock (Soccer Mommy), most of which is accompanied by a lot of stage-diving. In many ways, Outbreak is evolving in line with hardcore itself, which is undergoing an intense period of change. In 2022, the New York Times declared an American hardcore “renaissance”, citing a slew of bands such as Gulch, Drain and Drug Church, who are made up of hardcore lifers but driving new excitement in the scene. Since then, things have continued to snowball. In 2023, Baltimore hybridists Turnstile received three Grammy nominations. In May, Kentucky hardcore-metal fusionists Knocked Loose overtook Taylor Swift on Spotify’s Viral 50 chart, which measures how frequently songs are shared. The same month, Torrance, California punks Joyce Manor – who swamped Outbreak’s main stage on Sunday – were a musical guest on John Mulaney’s live Netflix show Everybody’s in LA, performing between St Vincent and Warren G. Perhaps one reason why hardcore is experiencing a particularly enthusiastic resurgence is the growing diversity of the scene. Hardcore has always been inclusive, but its aggressive nature has sometimes attracted unwanted attention. In the mid-80s, there was a serious problem of white supremacists storming shows. The more neo-Nazis turned up, the more anti-fascists turned up to fight back, and a scene founded on social awareness and “positive mental attitude (PMA)” – a phrase popularised by Bad Brains, an all-Black band – spiralled into violence. A streak of genre purism has also gatekept hardcore by dictating who can express themselves and to what degree, which gave the subculture an overwhelmingly white image. However, a true history of hardcore is one that has always belonged to everyone, whether it’s dub and reggae underpinning punk in the 70s, to the influence of Muslim fusion groups such as Fun-Da-Mental in the 90s, to a more genreless 2010s landscape that saw hip-hop collective Odd Future link up with hardcore act Trash Talk. Today, hardcore has never been more diverse, both sonically and in the makeup of its participants. Bands including Soul Glo, Zulu and Scowl are splicing in elements of other genres such as blues, funk, jazz, powerpop and soul. The frontman of rising Sydney band Speed plays the flute on stage. There are multiple groups that sing in Arabic. As the definition of what hardcore “is” becomes less rigid, the sound expands, and that creates more points of entry. This year’s Outbreak lineup boasted an eclectic range of artists, from Moroccan “Harami punk” (Taqbir) and Egyptian death metal (Scarab) to jazz-rap (redveil). This bill, in turn, drew a crowd that evaded easy categorisation but had a clearly united front. Gen Z kids in clown makeup (fans of California “goth jesters” the Garden) were queueing for pizza with dads sporting Apple watches and jorts. A wheelchair user crowdsurfed during a set by Bristol chain-punks Perp Walk. Almost every artist called for the liberation of Palestine (the singer of Show Me the Body wen't one step further and offered anyone who disagreed outside for a fight). Whether on stage or in the crowd, these are ultimately people who all share the same DNA of DIY ethics, social justice and musical physicality. That’s hardcore. The sound, then, has increasingly less to do with it. “I don’t call it a hardcore festival any more. I don’t really know how to describe it,” one of the organisers says. One of the challenges an event like Outbreak now faces is preserving the foundations of hardcore with increasing demand for it. Ultimately, it’s a type of music born from and desighned for small spaces and sweaty crowds, with no separation between audience and artist. That means no bouncers. No barriers. The stage, if there is one, belongs to everyone: anyone can climb on it and dive into the crowd. Maintaining those values in a large venue with thousands of people requires a lot of paperwork. The same goes for communicating with parts of the music industry that wouldn’t necessarily be involved with a DIY event, from health and safety teams to venue staff and security. “As the festival has grown, it’s really been about welcoming those people into our team and teaching them what [hardcore] is, how people interact with each other, and why it’s safe even though it looks like chaos.” Understandably, the ballooning interest in hardcore has made some dyed-in-the-wool fans nervous. The more commercially viable a subculture becomes, the more things get lost in translation. That can have an impact on a scene that most people involved don’t view as entertainment, or something to do after work – but as a way of life. At the same time, the barrier to entry is still, realistically, too high for hardcore to go the way of previous underground subculture turned mainstream phenomena, such as Green Day-era pop-punk or My Chemical Romance-era emo. A few bands, like Turnstile, might go the way of red carpets and Top 40 radio, but we’re not likely to hear Knocked Loose frontman Bryan Garris dog-barking at Wembley stadium any time soon. For Outbreak, the future lies in preserving what’s already been built. “It realistically can’t get any bigger than it is now, and truthfully I don’t think it ever needs to be,” an organiser says, adding that it should, above all else, be a space for people to freely express themselves. “That’s the main goal: for people to find their place, feel as if they belong somewhere, and connect with people that are like-minded. As long as the festival is still doing that, I don’t see any reason for it to stop.” The same applies to hardcore at large. It’s been more than 40 years since Bad Brains and Black Flag first kicked down the doors, and their legacy is as moral as it is musical. As long as there are people who feel angry and alienated, there will be a hardcore scene – visible to dozens of people or millions – to mop them up. James K breaks self-imposed exile to post response essay to this, when? He was posting about it on his IG stories.
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Post by SUN HIT FACE on Jul 27, 2024 4:39:09 GMT -5
James K breaks self-imposed exile to post response essay to this, when? He was posting about it on his IG stories. Oh sweet thanks, I might go check that out!
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Post by RIP RIDE!!! on Jul 27, 2024 4:53:17 GMT -5
goofy tribe girls do not engage in racism😡 you never met racial sophia?
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Post by xmilestogox on Jul 27, 2024 8:33:21 GMT -5
Why did James exile himself
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Post by xMOOKAIx on Jul 27, 2024 8:37:04 GMT -5
Why did James exile himself he got owned by killedbyboard and left though to be fair if i was as active in the politics thread as he was i would probably exile myself from life!
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Post by jimmyspudboy on Jul 27, 2024 8:37:59 GMT -5
Why did James exile himself someone correct me if I've got it wrong, but I think killedbyboard said something in the politics thread that James couldn't handle.
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Post by Hotdogscominurway on Jul 27, 2024 8:56:02 GMT -5
I’m seeing here that he forgot to BiL
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Post by Osama Vinladen Jiménez López on Jul 27, 2024 11:13:45 GMT -5
it’s so unlike him, the stable guy we all know and love
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Post by oatmeal on Jul 27, 2024 11:38:04 GMT -5
goofy tribe girls do not engage in racism😡 you never met racial sophia? who the fuck is sophia
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Post by Perm’d by God on Jul 27, 2024 12:23:27 GMT -5
James K refuses to admit that I was right about NYC congestion pricing.
James K’s exile is a victory for the public sector alliance in the politics thread.
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Post by RIP RIDE!!! on Jul 27, 2024 13:12:47 GMT -5
you never met racial sophia? who the fuck is sophia racial sofia
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Post by NUKE THE INTERNET on Jul 27, 2024 13:32:42 GMT -5
James K refuses to admit that I was right about NYC congestion pricing. James K’s exile is a victory for the public sector alliance in the politics thread. Would like to point out that Governor Hochul's getting sued over cancelling it, although I'm sure you knew that.
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Post by durangoderanged on Jul 27, 2024 13:34:43 GMT -5
There are definitely better options than congestion pricing.
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Post by Perm’d by God on Jul 27, 2024 13:35:20 GMT -5
Yeah, really stupid move on her part. Just flush the federal match grant opportunities down the toilet right when there’s more USDOT public transit funding opportunities than ever before in our lifetimes. Duuuuuuumb.
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Post by yosupbro on Jul 27, 2024 13:37:26 GMT -5
which band is this
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Post by NUKE THE INTERNET on Jul 27, 2024 13:41:50 GMT -5
Anyhow, and in the spirit of not turning this into an even shittier version of the politics thread: test pressings for the Life Abuse Systematization 12" have been approved and are the plant in Czechia. No updates to our Bandcamp yet, but it should be out by the end of the summer. It sounds great, and I'm very psyched.
It's not much, but at least it's directly hardcore-related.
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Post by tandoori jones on Jul 27, 2024 13:53:12 GMT -5
Yeah, really stupid move on her part. Just flush the federal match grant opportunities down the toilet right when there’s more USDOT public transit funding opportunities than ever before in our lifetimes. Duuuuuuumb. plenty of money for cops though
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Post by SUN HIT FACE on Jul 27, 2024 16:06:25 GMT -5
James K refuses to admit that I was right about NYC congestion pricing. James K’s exile is a victory for the public sector alliance in the politics thread.
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Post by Perm’d by God on Jul 27, 2024 16:10:26 GMT -5
It’s not about me it’s about the public sector crew
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Post by stiffbreeze on Jul 27, 2024 17:12:42 GMT -5
Seems the chubb fresh waterfall has been scrubbed
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Post by yosupbro on Jul 28, 2024 0:13:09 GMT -5
the zoomer mind cannot comprehend that photograph
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Post by yosupbro on Jul 28, 2024 0:14:23 GMT -5
what straight edge bands do the children listen to these days? other than weapon x inclination and magnitude
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Post by jaredfromsubway on Jul 28, 2024 0:15:10 GMT -5
Add World of Pleasure and Firestarter to that list
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Post by ☭ Bob Loblaw ☭ on Jul 28, 2024 0:16:49 GMT -5
I’m from tha neighborhood fr00t
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