Star Wars Thread (1,000 Years of Doomposting)

[JDS]

The Acolyte fucking sucked. The whip lightsaber and the part where sol touched his forehead to use the force and there was some goofy sound effect/ music before scaling the wall were some of the cringiest shit, among a show that was rife with it. It was a show that wen't nowhere. The mystery was not compelling. The growth and motivation of characters was confusing. The scripts felt like they were written by an AI chat bot and not revised by an actual human being. It was like 2 pounds of script in a 40 pound bag.

[tandoori jones]

it was okay. i didn’t find it half as boring as ahsoka at least

[nhf]

It had a couple moments. Better than Ahsoka, not as good as obi wan, but obi wan sucked.

[killedbyboard]

I actually thought it ruled. Barring episode three, I thought the story was good, the action was good, and the writing was good. Miles above Obi Wan and Ahsoka to me. My kids were actually invested and wanted to watch. I ended up watching Ahsoka and Obi Wan alone because hey were so bored.

[theonefreeman]

Lucasfilm said that there will be no season two of the Acolyte. Temuera Morrison said that there probably won't be much more seen of Boba Fett because of how the show was received. I've seen articles about both of these things saying that people aren't watching the shows when Star Wars tries to do something different and that we should expect them to play it safe from now on. How the fuck do you have half of a functioning brain and come to that conclusion? Nobody is watching these shows because they aren't good by nearly any metric. The production sucks. The writing sucks. The acting sucks. THOSE are the fucking issues! You can't try to build something on a shoddy foundation otherwise everything will collapse. They don't want to put in the effort to find somebody who actually knows what the fuck they are doing on any of these fronts. The fact that they got Tony Gilroy for Rogue One/Andor is a goddamn miracle when you compare him to nearly anybody else they've had running the ship on something.

There's still no script for the New Jedi Order movie and it was announced a year ago! (One has been worked on this whole time. The conclusion here is that they have no good ideas.)
The lead writer for Star Wars Eclipse just left the studio and that game will probably never come out!
The Mandalorian has jumped the shark and the switch to the big screen is nothing more than a thinly-veiled attempt to make a billion off of hard-rockers who love Baby Yoda!

We're done here! What's going on over in the realm of Star Trek right now? Surely they're not shitting the bed in every conceivable way too, right? (I watch Red Letter Media and know that's exactly what's happening there too.)

[meatballmaniac]

If I may, we were done here after walking out of the theater at the end of TFA. Let’s be real.

[Percussionist Foster Grant]

Last thing I watched was that Luke Skywalker episode of the Mandalorian and I have no idea when that was. Sounds like I've missed very little since then.

[killedbyboard]

Aug 20, 2024 11:24:20 GMT -5 theonefreeman said:

Lucasfilm said that there will be no season two of the Acolyte. Temuera Morrison said that there probably won't be much more seen of Boba Fett because of how the show was received. I've seen articles about both of these things saying that people aren't watching the shows when Star Wars tries to do something different and that we should expect them to play it safe from now on. How the fuck do you have half of a functioning brain and come to that conclusion? Nobody is watching these shows because they aren't good by nearly any metric. The production sucks. The writing sucks. The acting sucks. THOSE are the fucking issues! You can't try to build something on a shoddy foundation otherwise everything will collapse. They don't want to put in the effort to find somebody who actually knows what the fuck they are doing on any of these fronts. The fact that they got Tony Gilroy for Rogue One/Andor is a goddamn miracle when you compare him to nearly anybody else they've had running the ship on something.

There's still no script for the New Jedi Order movie and it was announced a year ago!
The lead writer for Star Wars Eclipse just left the studio and that game will probably never come out! (One has been worked on this whole time. The conclusion here is that they have no good ideas.)
The Mandalorian has jumped the shark and the switch to the big screen is nothing more than a thinly-veiled attempt to make a billion off of hard-rockers who love Baby Yoda!

We're done here! What's going on over in the realm of Star Trek right now? Surely they're not shitting the bed in every conceivable way too, right? (I watch Red Letter Media and know that's exactly what's happening there too.)

The problem is...hear me out...the Fandom. The prequels were unequivocally terrible, but nowadays you have people in their late 20's early 30's for whom those movies were the definitive Star Wars experience who remember them with fondness and want to see a return to that. You have even more folks for whom Clone Wars was the definitive Star Wars experience. The OG, the prequels, and Clone Wars are all vastly tonally different from each other. Every fan expects a slightly different experience and are not emotionally mature enough to handle it when it varies from expectation. The sequels and shows are similarly tonally different from everything before, primarily because it is nearly impossible to recapture 70s and early 80s filmmaking authentically without looking like that's what you're trying to do. The acting in the OGs if carbon copied into the new stuff would look hokey and stilted. But it's old so we see it as part of a bygone era. People are starting to see the prequels the same way.

Mix all the broad groups of fans and all their different expectations, throw them in a modern blender with online discussion and alt-right trolling, and you've got a recipe for disaster. I personally loved TLJ, Andor, and Rogue One, and thought the Acolyte was great, because I love when Star Wars waxes poetic on big topics like light and dark, rebellion/revolution, class and empire, but there's a big cohort of the fandom that wants lightsaber duels or dogfights. I know plenty of people who thought Andor was "too slow."

The fandom is full of "pile-on" culture that unfairly branded the Acolyte as "woke" or anything that features women or people of color in prominent roles, which unfairly gets folded into people providing legitimate critique until is all one big jumbled mess that Disney has no time to parse. Disney Star Wars will fail primarily because they are trying to please fans instead of making things that are good.

[itii]

It's absolutely the fandom's toxic relationship with itself. Star wars is for children and any time it gets more complicated than that, nerds cry. The rub is that any time it stays in it's lane, nerds cry about how simple and uninspired it is.

All that while demanding that disney take their money and give them anything to engage their vapid, stunted egos.

[meatballmaniac]

Aug 20, 2024 12:47:57 GMT -5 killedbyboard said:

Aug 20, 2024 11:24:20 GMT -5 theonefreeman said:

Lucasfilm said that there will be no season two of the Acolyte. Temuera Morrison said that there probably won't be much more seen of Boba Fett because of how the show was received. I've seen articles about both of these things saying that people aren't watching the shows when Star Wars tries to do something different and that we should expect them to play it safe from now on. How the fuck do you have half of a functioning brain and come to that conclusion? Nobody is watching these shows because they aren't good by nearly any metric. The production sucks. The writing sucks. The acting sucks. THOSE are the fucking issues! You can't try to build something on a shoddy foundation otherwise everything will collapse. They don't want to put in the effort to find somebody who actually knows what the fuck they are doing on any of these fronts. The fact that they got Tony Gilroy for Rogue One/Andor is a goddamn miracle when you compare him to nearly anybody else they've had running the ship on something.

There's still no script for the New Jedi Order movie and it was announced a year ago!
The lead writer for Star Wars Eclipse just left the studio and that game will probably never come out! (One has been worked on this whole time. The conclusion here is that they have no good ideas.)
The Mandalorian has jumped the shark and the switch to the big screen is nothing more than a thinly-veiled attempt to make a billion off of hard-rockers who love Baby Yoda!

We're done here! What's going on over in the realm of Star Trek right now? Surely they're not shitting the bed in every conceivable way too, right? (I watch Red Letter Media and know that's exactly what's happening there too.)

The problem is...hear me out...the Fandom. The prequels were unequivocally terrible, but nowadays you have people in their late 20's early 30's for whom those movies were the definitive Star Wars experience who remember them with fondness and want to see a return to that. You have even more folks for whom Clone Wars was the definitive Star Wars experience. The OG, the prequels, and Clone Wars are all vastly tonally different from each other. Every fan expects a slightly different experience and are not emotionally mature enough to handle it when it varies from expectation. The sequels and shows are similarly tonally different from everything before, primarily because it is nearly impossible to recapture 70s and early 80s filmmaking authentically without looking like that's what you're trying to do. The acting in the OGs if carbon copied into the new stuff would look hokey and stilted. But it's old so we see it as part of a bygone era. People are starting to see the prequels the same way.

Mix all the broad groups of fans and all their different expectations, throw them in a modern blender with online discussion and alt-right trolling, and you've got a recipe for disaster. I personally loved TLJ, Andor, and Rogue One, and thought the Acolyte was great, because I love when Star Wars waxes poetic on big topics like light and dark, rebellion/revolution, class and empire, but there's a big cohort of the fandom that wants lightsaber duels or dogfights. I know plenty of people who thought Andor was "too slow."

The fandom is full of "pile-on" culture that unfairly branded the Acolyte as "woke" or anything that features women or people of color in prominent roles, which unfairly gets folded into people providing legitimate critique until is all one big jumbled mess that Disney has no time to parse. Disney Star Wars will fail primarily because they are trying to please fans instead of making things that are good.

Rather than the fandom, I think your point at the end is the real issue: Disney’s clearly unmoored flailing in response to various demographics on the Internet, rather than just hiring good writers who understand story telling.

I don’t think the people in charge understand that good stories are good stories, and have broad appeal. There exists a universe in which there are Star Wars movies and shows that please virtually everyone because they are well written and don’t cynically pander and bend to pressure by dorks on X, The Everything App.

[JDS]

Aug 20, 2024 13:21:30 GMT -5 meatballmaniac said:

Aug 20, 2024 12:47:57 GMT -5 killedbyboard said:

The problem is...hear me out...the Fandom. The prequels were unequivocally terrible, but nowadays you have people in their late 20's early 30's for whom those movies were the definitive Star Wars experience who remember them with fondness and want to see a return to that. You have even more folks for whom Clone Wars was the definitive Star Wars experience. The OG, the prequels, and Clone Wars are all vastly tonally different from each other. Every fan expects a slightly different experience and are not emotionally mature enough to handle it when it varies from expectation. The sequels and shows are similarly tonally different from everything before, primarily because it is nearly impossible to recapture 70s and early 80s filmmaking authentically without looking like that's what you're trying to do. The acting in the OGs if carbon copied into the new stuff would look hokey and stilted. But it's old so we see it as part of a bygone era. People are starting to see the prequels the same way.

Mix all the broad groups of fans and all their different expectations, throw them in a modern blender with online discussion and alt-right trolling, and you've got a recipe for disaster. I personally loved TLJ, Andor, and Rogue One, and thought the Acolyte was great, because I love when Star Wars waxes poetic on big topics like light and dark, rebellion/revolution, class and empire, but there's a big cohort of the fandom that wants lightsaber duels or dogfights. I know plenty of people who thought Andor was "too slow."

The fandom is full of "pile-on" culture that unfairly branded the Acolyte as "woke" or anything that features women or people of color in prominent roles, which unfairly gets folded into people providing legitimate critique until is all one big jumbled mess that Disney has no time to parse. Disney Star Wars will fail primarily because they are trying to please fans instead of making things that are good.

Rather than the fandom, I think your point at the end is the real issue: Disney’s clearly unmoored flailing in response to various demographics on the Internet, rather than just hiring good writers who understand story telling.

I don’t think the people in charge understand that good stories are good stories, and have broad appeal. There exists a universe in which there are Star Wars movies and shows that please virtually everyone because they are well written and don’t cynically pander and bend to pressure by dorks on X, The Everything App.

Poor story and inconsistent production values are really what is killing this franchise. ALSO- oversaturation. Star wars fatigue. Super Hero fatigue. Daddy chill. 

[theonefreeman]

Aug 20, 2024 12:47:57 GMT -5 killedbyboard said:

Aug 20, 2024 11:24:20 GMT -5 theonefreeman said:

Lucasfilm said that there will be no season two of the Acolyte. Temuera Morrison said that there probably won't be much more seen of Boba Fett because of how the show was received. I've seen articles about both of these things saying that people aren't watching the shows when Star Wars tries to do something different and that we should expect them to play it safe from now on. How the fuck do you have half of a functioning brain and come to that conclusion? Nobody is watching these shows because they aren't good by nearly any metric. The production sucks. The writing sucks. The acting sucks. THOSE are the fucking issues! You can't try to build something on a shoddy foundation otherwise everything will collapse. They don't want to put in the effort to find somebody who actually knows what the fuck they are doing on any of these fronts. The fact that they got Tony Gilroy for Rogue One/Andor is a goddamn miracle when you compare him to nearly anybody else they've had running the ship on something.

There's still no script for the New Jedi Order movie and it was announced a year ago!
The lead writer for Star Wars Eclipse just left the studio and that game will probably never come out! (One has been worked on this whole time. The conclusion here is that they have no good ideas.)
The Mandalorian has jumped the shark and the switch to the big screen is nothing more than a thinly-veiled attempt to make a billion off of hard-rockers who love Baby Yoda!

We're done here! What's going on over in the realm of Star Trek right now? Surely they're not shitting the bed in every conceivable way too, right? (I watch Red Letter Media and know that's exactly what's happening there too.)

The problem is...hear me out...the Fandom. The prequels were unequivocally terrible, but nowadays you have people in their late 20's early 30's for whom those movies were the definitive Star Wars experience who remember them with fondness and want to see a return to that. You have even more folks for whom Clone Wars was the definitive Star Wars experience. The OG, the prequels, and Clone Wars are all vastly tonally different from each other. Every fan expects a slightly different experience and are not emotionally mature enough to handle it when it varies from expectation. The sequels and shows are similarly tonally different from everything before, primarily because it is nearly impossible to recapture 70s and early 80s filmmaking authentically without looking like that's what you're trying to do. The acting in the OGs if carbon copied into the new stuff would look hokey and stilted. But it's old so we see it as part of a bygone era. People are starting to see the prequels the same way.

Mix all the broad groups of fans and all their different expectations, throw them in a modern blender with online discussion and alt-right trolling, and you've got a recipe for disaster. I personally loved TLJ, Andor, and Rogue One, and thought the Acolyte was great, because I love when Star Wars waxes poetic on big topics like light and dark, rebellion/revolution, class and empire, but there's a big cohort of the fandom that wants lightsaber duels or dogfights. I know plenty of people who thought Andor was "too slow."

The fandom is full of "pile-on" culture that unfairly branded the Acolyte as "woke" or anything that features women or people of color in prominent roles, which unfairly gets folded into people providing legitimate critique until is all one big jumbled mess that Disney has no time to parse. Disney Star Wars will fail primarily because they are trying to please fans instead of making things that are good.

I agree with most of what you said, but it is also an issue of quality on Disney's end. That part cannot be ignored. Kathleen Kennedy has grossly mismanaged the property. These days, the bare minimum I'm asking for is for a franchise I've loved since I could make conscious thoughts to not make me feel like I'm a moron for ever liking it in the first place.

[Deleted]

Should rewatch the People vs. George Lucas. The fandom has always sucked.

Just watch the originals and have a good time. Any expectations is setting yourself up for disappointment at this point. Sunk cost consuming everything they put out as if there is going to be some overhaul to make it for 50 year olds.

[tandoori jones]

Aug 20, 2024 11:45:48 GMT -5 meatballmaniac said:

If I may, we were done here after walking out of the theater at the end of TFA. Let’s be real.

ummmm Rogue One came out after so

[Deleted]

Rogue One ruled and felt incredibly bleak. Dorks complained about the lack of characters when the entire focus was about rag tag rebels and nameless selfless acts for an ending you already knew? Disney then gave the fans a prequel show about a guy they didn't care about and knew got blown up but watched it all and complained just the same.
It's like poetry, it rhymes!

Turbo dweeb fans.

[tandoori jones]

Aug 20, 2024 20:25:07 GMT -5 @dogdickrussia said:

Rogue One ruled and felt incredibly bleak. Dorks complained about the lack of characters when the entire focus was about rag tag rebels and nameless selfless acts for an ending you already knew? Disney then gave the fans a prequel show about a guy you don't care about and know gets blown up but watched it all and complained just the same.

Turbo dweeb fans.

yeah andor also rocks. fuck the “it’s gotta have lightsabers and jedis or it’s not star wars” losers

[Deleted]

Very dorky but know someone who has one of those handheld emulator rigs and were able to play Rogue Squadron and Shadows of the Empire flawlessly.

I'd watch a Dash Rendar show.

[itii]

And that's the whole issue. Rogue One is objectively the most adult star wars movie and was aimed at people who wanted more STAR WARS with a plot and character arc annnnnnnnnd adjusted for inflation it's the 8th earner in the movie franchise.

The fan base doesn't actually want space adventures in a galaxy far, far away, they actually really do want baby yoda and nostalgia bumps but not in that way bc it's "not my slashfic."

[versailles]

can they just make andor season 2 so we can all move on

[Deleted]

They were literally doing guerilla war jihad in Rogue One and still managed to have another new robot to enjoy.
Outside of Babu Frik I can't think of another two characters I enjoyed more than:





If I'm lucky they'll get a show in 2037.

[tandoori jones]

[tandoori jones]

[thefarce]

Started reading the old Zahn Thrawn books. My prior experience with the original EU were the dog-ass Kevin J Anderson books so I never bothered reading any of the Zahn stuff. They’re pretty good, I can see how a generation of nerds who read these books in middle school would end up putting them on a pedestal. Thrawn himself is a little *too* competent and composed but he makes for a fun antagonist.

[floorpunchchalie]

Someone touched up on this but Star Wars is in need of writers who can tell a compelling story that has characters that people feel attached to.

Grogu was an absolute hit because we all followed his story in the Mandalorian and cared about him so much. That little green puppet has carried Star Wars for several years now.

As for Rogue One, that movie worked because we were shown the sacrifices that needed to happen in order to secure those death star plans. None of our heroes survived the war and that was fantastic. Gareth Edwards should have done more imo but was quickly casted off by Disney.

[meatballmaniac]

Star Wars stinks, Chalie. Please move on with your life.

[JDS]

Sept 3, 2024 23:08:21 GMT -5 floorpunchchalie said:

As for Rogue One, that movie worked because we were shown the sacrifices that needed to happen in order to secure those death star plans. None of our heroes survived the war and that was fantastic. Gareth Edwards should have done more imo but was quickly casted off by Disney.

You can thank Tony Gilroy for that movie being as good and cohesive as it is. Which is why we get Andor. 

[Athrenody]

Maybe it's been hit upon but the issue is that Disney wants Star Wars to mainly focus on children but children do not have a strong connection to Star Wars. So the majority of the fan base are now adults and want the entire canon to mean something and continue giving them the same feelings they had as kids. Writers are then forced to create stories that feel old or contrived.

I'd like to see Disney let people really experience in that universe, make a fake documentary in a true-crime style tracking a serial killer or something. Just anything besides the same old boring shit (besides Andor/Rogue One... they are the best thing Star Wars has done IMO.)

[Mr. Dingle Foot]

Sept 3, 2024 23:08:21 GMT -5 floorpunchchalie said:

Someone touched up on this but Star Wars is in need of writers who can tell a compelling story that has characters that people feel attached to.

Grogu was an absolute hit because we all followed his story in the Mandalorian and cared about him so much. That little green puppet has carried Star Wars for several years now.

As for Rogue One, that movie worked because we were shown the sacrifices that needed to happen in order to secure those death star plans. None of our heroes survived the war and that was fantastic. Gareth Edwards should have done more imo but was quickly casted off by Disney.

How many Grogu funko pops do you own?

[floorpunchchalie]

Sept 4, 2024 12:21:05 GMT -5 Mr. Dingle Foot said:

Sept 3, 2024 23:08:21 GMT -5 floorpunchchalie said:

Someone touched up on this but Star Wars is in need of writers who can tell a compelling story that has characters that people feel attached to.

Grogu was an absolute hit because we all followed his story in the Mandalorian and cared about him so much. That little green puppet has carried Star Wars for several years now.

As for Rogue One, that movie worked because we were shown the sacrifices that needed to happen in order to secure those death star plans. None of our heroes survived the war and that was fantastic. Gareth Edwards should have done more imo but was quickly casted off by Disney.

How many Grogu funko pops do you own?

A couple! Grogu is one of my favorite star wars characters ever

[itii]

Aug 20, 2024 20:37:59 GMT -5 itii said:

The fan base doesn't actually want space adventures in a galaxy far, far away, they actually really do want baby yoda