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Post by billyjackhaynessmile on Aug 13, 2018 20:58:06 GMT -5
Brett’s only really great within a WWF framework. When you watch his peak or near peak chronologically with everyone else wrestling at the time it hurts him. Like he’s got his peaks for sure, and WM13 is the best WWF match of all time, but he was formulaic, way moreso than a guy like Flair who gets that critique, wasn’t that great of a house show worker and was lazy a lot of times, decent tv worker, decent tag wrestler, only a truly GREAT character in 97 and didn’t have the matches to go with it, save for Austin. Plus the only non-wwf stuff from his near peak we really have is the Misawa match in 90 which stinks, the Funk retirement match which is fine, and WCW, which is no good obviously. Add all that up and it makes for a very good wrestler, not the all timer people think he is. If you’ve actually watched the footage and still think he’s up there with Funk, Lawler, Flair etc it’s either Canadian bias or buying into the gimmick.
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Post by tomas on Aug 13, 2018 21:18:17 GMT -5
damn drew is really coming with the shit today
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Post by heepskop on Aug 13, 2018 21:37:54 GMT -5
“wasn’t that great of a house show worker” lmaoooo
This analysis wasn’t deep enough for me. I need to know what you thought of his theme music, his taunts, what his favorite foods were, etc.
He’s 100% one of the best of all time, btw. Without question.
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Post by lobsterdog on Aug 13, 2018 22:37:24 GMT -5
i mean im cool if he's not in your top 10 but acting like he's trash aint real much
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Post by billyjackhaynessmile on Aug 13, 2018 22:39:46 GMT -5
“wasn’t that great of a house show worker” lmaoooo This analysis wasn’t deep enough for me. I need to know what you thought of his theme music, his taunts, what his favorite foods were, etc. He’s 100% one of the best of all time, btw. Without question. You just proved my point.
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Post by billyjackhaynessmile on Aug 13, 2018 22:44:02 GMT -5
i mean im cool if he's not in your top 10 but acting like he's trash aint real much I like Bret, but he’s a guy like Flair where the point of contention has to start with them as the greatest of all time, in Flair’s case due to Meltzer and a lesser extent post-90 WCW and in Brett’s case it comes 100% from him and his gimmick, which makes it frustrating to talk about. I also never said he was trash and in fact said he was very good. I think I make a similar post about once a year.
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Post by drybones on Aug 13, 2018 22:44:26 GMT -5
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Post by aperturefury on Aug 13, 2018 22:58:06 GMT -5
FUCK YEAH
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Post by Ass Dan on Aug 13, 2018 23:23:49 GMT -5
Why not shave it all off?
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Post by andrewwhatever69 on Aug 14, 2018 5:06:31 GMT -5
Ambrose lookin extra beefy.
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Post by mouthofinfinity on Aug 14, 2018 5:22:05 GMT -5
Renee deserves better.
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Post by YouMe&Violence on Aug 14, 2018 5:27:03 GMT -5
i mean im cool if he's not in your top 10 but acting like he's trash aint real much I like Bret, but he’s a guy like Flair where the point of contention has to start with them as the greatest of all time, in Flair’s case due to Meltzer and a lesser extent post-90 WCW and in Brett’s case it comes 100% from him and his gimmick, which makes it frustrating to talk about. I also never said he was trash and in fact said he was very good. I think I make a similar post about once a year. m What does Meltzer have to do with any of this?
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Post by lobsterdog on Aug 14, 2018 6:14:41 GMT -5
Jean Ambrose lookin YOKED
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Post by billyjackhaynessmile on Aug 14, 2018 10:04:36 GMT -5
I like Bret, but he’s a guy like Flair where the point of contention has to start with them as the greatest of all time, in Flair’s case due to Meltzer and a lesser extent post-90 WCW and in Brett’s case it comes 100% from him and his gimmick, which makes it frustrating to talk about. I also never said he was trash and in fact said he was very good. I think I make a similar post about once a year. m What does Meltzer have to do with any of this? Read what I wrote
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Post by heepskop on Aug 14, 2018 10:21:26 GMT -5
Me thinking Bret is one of the best has nothing to do with his "character" - for me, it's based off his body of work. The mid 90's WWF good stuff was literally all Bret. I could start listing off all the great stuff, but what's the point? I understand thinking he's overrated, I guess. But I honestly don't see much praise for him, latelu. Nobody even really talks about him, other than Bruce, Conrad, everybody who just speaks negatively about him. You must just read/listen to different stuff than me. There's no denying he has classics in his resume, classics with guys that were more or less useless when they weren't wrestling him. Diesel, Bulldog, etc. Austin had better peers in his class, Flair had better peers in his class. Bret carried US wrestling in the mid 90's.
But yeah, he's overrated. Lol.
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Post by cooltobeyou on Aug 14, 2018 11:09:28 GMT -5
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Post by billyjackhaynessmile on Aug 14, 2018 12:59:18 GMT -5
Me thinking Bret is one of the best has nothing to do with his "character" - for me, it's based off his body of work. The mid 90's WWF good stuff was literally all Bret. I could start listing off all the great stuff, but what's the point? I understand thinking he's overrated, I guess. But I honestly don't see much praise for him, latelu. Nobody even really talks about him, other than Bruce, Conrad, everybody who just speaks negatively about him. You must just read/listen to different stuff than me. There's no denying he has classics in his resume, classics with guys that were more or less useless when they weren't wrestling him. Diesel, Bulldog, etc. Austin had better peers in his class, Flair had better peers in his class. Bret carried US wrestling in the mid 90's. But yeah, he's overrated. Lol. I think talking about Brett’s matches is one of the biggest things that hurts him. During his peak, which is like 92-97, he’s got a good grip of very good matches, very few all time classics. A lot of his very good matches, like the Bulldog ones from SS 92 and IYH 95 are just that, very good, but are really hurt by watching what else was going on in the world at that time. The IYH match specifically is pretty dull and by the numbers until Brett bleeds, but when he does the match picks up and rocks big time. Brett has a great comeback, but Bulldog is an actively good pet as well. It’s a very good match. Comparing him to Flair in terms of lesser opponents isn’t the best comparison since Flair is like the master of carrying guys. Just think of how many guys had their best match against Flair. Terry Taylor, Sam Houston, Lex Luger, George South, Sting, WCW era Macho Man, WCW Hogan etc etc. I think it would be more accurate to say that Brett carried the WWF during the mid 90s which is absolutely true, no one is really close, even Shawn Michaels. It was the worst period in the company and in the country for wrestling but even then you had Vader, Dustin Rhodes, Steamboat, Rude etc in WCW, the rise of Sabu on the indies, Tracey Smothers and R n R Express in Smoky Mountain, there were lots of people wrestling as good as Brett in the US during that time. And just to say again, I like Brett a lot, I just think he’s in a tier below the top top guys of all time, and if people disagree then I’d love to hear arguments and see the proof.
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Post by Gary from juvenile Mom II on Aug 14, 2018 13:25:49 GMT -5
Can I have my 20 bucks Mike?
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Post by lobsterdog on Aug 14, 2018 13:35:35 GMT -5
Can I have my 20 bucks Mike? Not till he puts pen to paper but it ain't looking good for me
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Post by kevin on Aug 14, 2018 18:57:36 GMT -5
How many Pillars is Tanahashi better than?
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Post by drybones on Aug 14, 2018 19:13:53 GMT -5
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Post by drybones on Aug 14, 2018 19:14:31 GMT -5
Too many matches
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Post by Daytona 500 on Aug 14, 2018 19:26:34 GMT -5
It's supposed to be 6 1/2 hours.
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Post by beckybreach on Aug 14, 2018 20:39:02 GMT -5
At this point I'd honestly rather rewatch the entirety of the G1 start to finish than sit through a 6 1/2 hour Summerslam...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 20:44:06 GMT -5
How many Pillars is Tanahashi better than? 2
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 20:45:06 GMT -5
Also, Bret is one of my favorite wrestlers ever, but I agree with Drew. He's not in that elite tier of wrestlers and you're trippin' if you think he is, but do I love Bret? Fuck yeah I do, brother.
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Post by tomas on Aug 14, 2018 20:48:14 GMT -5
tanahashi is a better wrestler than bret, fuck yrself skee
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 20:49:45 GMT -5
I wouldn't argue with anyone who said Tanahashi is top 10 all time.
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Post by tomas on Aug 14, 2018 20:54:58 GMT -5
How many Pillars is Tanahashi better than? 2 We talked about this earlier today but I'll just say what I said in a little shorter manner. It's hard to break it down because there's so much across the board when you take in Tanahashi v The Pillars. I can for sure he's say better than Taue but I could make a case for Kobashi, Kawada, and Misawa. I will stand with what I said before about him being the greatest big match wrestler ever. He's done it across a few different styles and generations of wrestlers and every big match just rules. But when we start to break it down like we did, it's hard to say who's better than who because perhaps you make a case vs Kawada but Tanahashi absolutely has no weight in tag wrestling. Kawada is the best tag wrestler of all time (along with Taue) but that's the magic of those two. You put it together and create it. I would almost sneak him ahead of Kobashi if it wasn't for tagging again I'd say overall tho Kawada Misawa Kobashi Tanahashi
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 20:58:06 GMT -5
the greatest bitch match wrestler ever love you also, yeah, i should probably take that one back. admittedly, kawada is the one pillar i haven't seen everything of.
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