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Post by theywalkedinline on Jun 28, 2024 13:11:37 GMT -5
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Post by Percussionist Foster Grant on Jun 28, 2024 13:13:05 GMT -5
I think you can trust the semi demented career politician not to fill his cabinet with known QAnon sympathizers. The harm reduction thing is questionable when, regardless of president, more and more people are becoming homeless and more and more kids are dying from gun violence, but it 100% carries weight when you’re talking about a second Trump term. He hasn’t even outlined an iota of his platform beyond “if I win, I’m gonna do to the Democrats what they did to me” and he’s actually MORE popular and earning MORE in fundraising than before. We are living in a “WWF Raw is War” era work.
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Post by Street Sweeper BFA on Jun 28, 2024 13:13:38 GMT -5
It is well documented on this messageboard that I have taken the proper tests and scored in the 90-100 WPM range. Averaging your WPM at 95, the 2,169 words took you 22.8315789 minutes. Don’t lie to board sofia
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Post by weyes sofia on Jun 28, 2024 13:14:47 GMT -5
It is well documented on this messageboard that I have taken the proper tests and scored in the 90-100 WPM range. Averaging your WPM at 95, the 2,169 words took you 22.8315789 minutes. Don’t lie to board sofia Yeah but I was extra fired up so my WPM was nuts
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Post by Ⓝ𝒶𝓇匚[REDACTED]ᗴᖇ on Jun 28, 2024 13:15:21 GMT -5
No president can successfully sell the median voter on anything that needs to be done. None of any of it gets mentioned in the debates, all that happens in that format is very vague slandering of immigrants and talking about foreign policy like its an 80s action movie. You talk to the average person about how, yeah, maybe beef ought to be more expensive because cattle ranching is extremely resource intensive, or maybe there should be more high rise apartment buildings in your neighborhood because endless horizontal expansion of layers and layers of suburbia is financially suicidle.
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Post by Percussionist Foster Grant on Jun 28, 2024 13:16:25 GMT -5
I paid to get certified for some college job @ 83 WPM in 2013.
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Post by killedbyboard on Jun 28, 2024 13:17:21 GMT -5
chalking something up to “owning the libs” is the most infantile way to try and dismiss a valid political strategy, though maybe it’s appropriate when the libs themselves are infantile at best. It doesn’t matter which path is taken, both will involve people suffering tremendously, people dying, people being oppressed, lives being ruined, and damage that will take years to rectify. The same things that happen before any sort of societal collapse, revolution, and rebirth. One way drags it out for as long as possible, potentially forever. The other takes a calculated risk in hopes of getting it over with and moving past it. You can enable a junkie by giving them money and they’ll continue being a junkie indefinitely, as long as the money flows, risking death the entire time. When you stop enabling them with money, it accelerates them towards rock bottom. They may die on the way there, and it’s pretty certain to get ugly for a bit, but if they don’t(and statistically they probably won’t), the sooner they get there, the sooner they can start to heal. Sometimes you gotta get worse to get better, and delaying that process by enabling is fruitless. Not saying this can be directly applied to America in 2024, but failing to see the correlation is willfully ignorant. We’ve been in decline, facing the writing on the wall for 50 years. Attempting to vote and organize our way in the other direction the entire time. We don’t have another 50 years to keep trying in hopes that the next election cycle will be the one watershed moment. That is literally not how you deal with a junkie. The idea that we should accelerate our society towards authoritarian elements because maybe we can change things AFTER the authoritarian elements take power is why no true left party has ever come to power in this country.
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Post by pistonjim on Jun 28, 2024 13:17:36 GMT -5
Its never been more apparent that the democrats are the washington generals of political parties
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Post by Ⓝ𝒶𝓇匚[REDACTED]ᗴᖇ on Jun 28, 2024 13:18:21 GMT -5
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Post by Porch Honky on Jun 28, 2024 13:19:27 GMT -5
No president can successfully sell the median voter on anything that needs to be done. None of any of it gets mentioned in the debates, all that happens in that format is very vague slandering of immigrants and talking about foreign policy like its an 80s action movie. You talk to the average person about how, yeah, maybe beef ought to be more expensive because cattle ranching is extremely resource intensive, or maybe there should be more high rise apartment buildings in your neighborhood because endless horizontal expansion of layers and layers of suburbia is financially suicidle. Reading a post like this makes me think covid should've done a better job. The beauracratic culture is fucking 50 years behind.
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Post by Cholo Molester on Jun 28, 2024 13:19:29 GMT -5
Mr Trump what do you plan on doing about the egregious cost of childcare?
Trump: I’m good at golf
President Biden, same question, what do you plan on doing about egregious childcare costs in this country?
Biden: Trump is not good at golf
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Post by Percussionist Foster Grant on Jun 28, 2024 13:20:00 GMT -5
I think we’re definitely trusting the “pendulum swing” thing in politics way too much with this MAGA thing. It can absolutely mutate into something much worse and MUCH more comfortable with performative white nationalist rhetoric with someone young like JD Vance installed as some sort of heir apparent for the next three decades.
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Post by weyes sofia on Jun 28, 2024 13:20:00 GMT -5
the part where he called biden a weak Palestinian was insane
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Post by Porch Honky on Jun 28, 2024 13:20:31 GMT -5
Its never been more apparent that the democrats are the washington generals of political parties The Republicans are the Wizards, just so we're accurate here in this comp.
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Post by tomservo on Jun 28, 2024 13:22:56 GMT -5
Your regular reminder that it is perfectly fine if not encouraged to cut off any and all conservatives in or around your life whenever possible
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Post by Porch Honky on Jun 28, 2024 13:23:10 GMT -5
I think we’re definitely trusting the “pendulum swing” thing in politics way too much with this MAGA thing. It can absolutely mutate into something much worse and MUCH more comfortable with performative white nationalist rhetoric with someone young like JD Vance installed as some sort of heir apparent for the next three decades. Maga candidates haven't had much lower level wins. RINOs still get them in most primaries.
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Post by Cholo Molester on Jun 28, 2024 13:26:06 GMT -5
I don’t get freight’s take, I mean, leftists haven’t been able to get any W’s with libs in power, how the fuck do y’all possibly think leftists are gunna be able to get any W’s under a technocratic authoritarian Christian ethno nationalist surveillance state? Idk if we should blame leftists for reading too much theory or not enough. 🤦🏻♂️
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Post by Percussionist Foster Grant on Jun 28, 2024 13:28:58 GMT -5
I think we’re definitely trusting the “pendulum swing” thing in politics way too much with this MAGA thing. It can absolutely mutate into something much worse and MUCH more comfortable with performative white nationalist rhetoric with someone young like JD Vance installed as some sort of heir apparent for the next three decades. Maga candidates haven't had much lower level wins. RINOs still get them in most primaries. They've learned a new trick though, and it's been the only one they've been able to trot out with any level of consistent success since GWB. They'll roll it back out if they think they've got another eight years of an Obama-type presidency coming down the pike. And then, you know, obviously there's all the environmental protections that'll get cut and climate denialism that'll be emboldened by additional Trump/MAGA candidate presidencies.
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Post by Ⓝ𝒶𝓇匚[REDACTED]ᗴᖇ on Jun 28, 2024 13:44:48 GMT -5
I don’t get freight’s take, I mean, leftists haven’t been able to get any W’s with libs in power, how the fuck do y’all possibly think leftists are gunna be able to get any W’s under a technocratic authoritarian Christian ethno nationalist surveillance state? Idk if we should blame leftists for reading too much theory or not enough. 🤦🏻♂️ leftists (ranging from the progressive wing of the Democratic party to more radical groups) represent an extremely small slice of registered voters, and not a much more larger portion of eligible voters in the country. Moreover, most of them have very little interest in becoming a part of organized labor or working in the public sector. Shit, people want to rail about indigenous people all day, but how many of those people have any interest in actually working with Tribes? Pretty much none. It's the beautiful soul run amok!!!
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Post by Porch Honky on Jun 28, 2024 13:53:08 GMT -5
Shit, people want to rail about indigenous people all day, but how many of those people have any interest in actually working with Tribes? Pretty much none. It's the beautiful soul run amok!!! Hi there, have an indigenous wife and live in NM. This is 1000% true. Liberal institutions are very guilty of this as well.
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Post by Street Sweeper BFA on Jun 28, 2024 13:58:28 GMT -5
chalking something up to “owning the libs” is the most infantile way to try and dismiss a valid political strategy, though maybe it’s appropriate when the libs themselves are infantile at best. It doesn’t matter which path is taken, both will involve people suffering tremendously, people dying, people being oppressed, lives being ruined, and damage that will take years to rectify. The same things that happen before any sort of societal collapse, revolution, and rebirth. One way drags it out for as long as possible, potentially forever. The other takes a calculated risk in hopes of getting it over with and moving past it. You can enable a junkie by giving them money and they’ll continue being a junkie indefinitely, as long as the money flows, risking death the entire time. When you stop enabling them with money, it accelerates them towards rock bottom. They may die on the way there, and it’s pretty certain to get ugly for a bit, but if they don’t(and statistically they probably won’t), the sooner they get there, the sooner they can start to heal. Sometimes you gotta get worse to get better, and delaying that process by enabling is fruitless. Not saying this can be directly applied to America in 2024, but failing to see the correlation is willfully ignorant. We’ve been in decline, facing the writing on the wall for 50 years. Attempting to vote and organize our way in the other direction the entire time. We don’t have another 50 years to keep trying in hopes that the next election cycle will be the one watershed moment. That is literally not how you deal with a junkie. The idea that we should accelerate our society towards authoritarian elements because maybe we can change things AFTER the authoritarian elements take power is why no true left party has ever come to power in this country. Brother, enabling a junkie is like the number 1 “do not do this for family and friends”. You don’t stop enabling them because it can accelerate their disease, you stop enabling because it perpetuates it on your watch. The fact that it can accelerate their decline is a simple fact of addiction, and the enabling by family and friends is often a large factor in allowing them to continue using without consequences. You don’t stop in hopes they get worse, you stop because you’re not making anything better by supporting their addiction. If it causes them to decline to rock bottom when your support stopped, then it’s just proof you were delaying the inevitable.
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Post by Ⓝ𝒶𝓇匚[REDACTED]ᗴᖇ on Jun 28, 2024 14:02:19 GMT -5
I really don't get the analogy between severe drug addiction and the supposed imminent collapse of the United States that isn't happening
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Post by Percussionist Foster Grant on Jun 28, 2024 14:02:58 GMT -5
Both of your takes can be true.
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Post by Porch Honky on Jun 28, 2024 14:06:02 GMT -5
Freight is cool,but he is talking over everyone.
I don't think I can buy into acceleration either cause I don't buy convincing a town of Jim Buck Buttfuck to have a light bulb moment. But I do think Jim Buck Buttfuck will absolutely harm my son, and Art School Micklow ain't going to do shit all to stop it.
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Post by ITID on Jun 28, 2024 14:06:19 GMT -5
All of my "voting doesn't matter" hard-rocker friends are silent about this for some reason. I mean, on a presidential level, the damage to the Supreme Court is already done, is it not? It’ll be another 10ish years, most likely, before any new vacancies. Generally speaking, it’s fairly safe to assume that we won’t see any vacancies during the next presidency, and possibly not the following one either. Voting does matter on local administration, even regional, but presidential? At this point, we’re well beyond the point of harm reduction by voting for the lesser of two evils when it comes to the big picture wellbeing of the nation and geopolitics. Voting for the president is not harm reduction, and anyone who still thinks that after the Hillary then Biden catastrophe, and continues to vote for the Democratic Party, is simply enabling and complicit in the scam and dysfunction of the party. It would definitely get ugly for a bit, but if every democratic voter abstained, it would force a radical transformation in the Democratic Party if they had any desire to continue to exist. Continuing to try and slow the damage doesn’t work when the office of the president isn’t beholden to anything, and the small piecemeal, minor changes enacted by a democratic president that may temporarily improve some small quality of life factors for some people, dont stop the overall decline. Maybe its accelerationist, but id rather it get grim for a few years in hopes that it radicalizes the masses and forces change, then continue to decay for another 20+. It’s not just the conservative right wing base that needs a harsh wake up call, the liberals need an existential crisis to wake them the fuck up. Continuing to play the game that is provided to us as a way to make people feel like they’ve done their duty just perpetuates the whole scheme. We’re past reforming our way out of this, we’re past voting our way back to the light. The system is rotten, and the suffering it’s going to cause is already written in stone. It’s going to destroy some people’s lives, as it already is, so is it really sensible to knowingly prop it up artificially and drag out the suffering, or is it better to just get it over with in hopes we prevent the further destruction inevitably tied to stalling? For fucks sake, we’re funding a genocide that’s universally disapproved of by the global citizenry, under a democratic president, and we should feel bad for refusing to participate in voting for which corpse takes credit? No, the damage isn't already done bc it can perpetually get worse. There's a shit ton more civil protections to be removed and abstractions to be reimagined as protections of corporations. In a world of cancer, car accidents and fluke events it's never safe to assume a group of boomers is invincible and if you think stewardship of scotus matters, that in and of itself is a view counter to abstinence. The second block is just a half thought out take on the idea that accelerationism has a net benefit. The idea that blue voters taking a cycle off and come back ready to play next time is like saying it'd be easier to plow a field if you let it get choked with weeds and trees. Beyond that, globalism ensures that america will never be a failed state because of our assets and lock on english art mediums. Foreign governments and multinationals will do whatever it takes to keep the wheels turning and absolutely no one gives a shit about what we do with our minorities. The idea that accelerationism will build coalitions at the cost of the most vulnerable is counter to the fact that the strides for equality have come during times of prosperity, not strife. If you don't want to vote, that's cool but don't dress it up as a galaxy brain universal good
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Post by ITID on Jun 28, 2024 14:08:30 GMT -5
Idk if we should blame leftists for reading too much theory or not enough. 🤦🏻♂️ No we blame them for mistaking reading for action
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Post by killedbyboard on Jun 28, 2024 14:13:17 GMT -5
That is literally not how you deal with a junkie. The idea that we should accelerate our society towards authoritarian elements because maybe we can change things AFTER the authoritarian elements take power is why no true left party has ever come to power in this country. Brother, enabling a junkie is like the number 1 “do not do this for family and friends”. You don’t stop enabling them because it can accelerate their disease, you stop enabling because it perpetuates it on your watch. The fact that it can accelerate their decline is a simple fact of addiction, and the enabling by family and friends is often a large factor in allowing them to continue using without consequences. You don’t stop in hopes they get worse, you stop because you’re not making anything better by supporting their addiction. If it causes them to decline to rock bottom when your support stopped, then it’s just proof you were delaying the inevitable. OK, so not enabling is one thing. Cutting someone off cold turkey knowing that death is the probable outcome is what I'm quibbling with. Typically with a junkie you wean them off through treatment and other drugs that help the recovery process, you know, if you actually care about the person and want to save them. It's a terrible analogy built on a false premise.
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Post by concealer on Jun 28, 2024 14:16:58 GMT -5
I say we make it mandatory for our president to be a heroin fiend
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Post by Street Sweeper BFA on Jun 28, 2024 14:19:05 GMT -5
I mean, on a presidential level, the damage to the Supreme Court is already done, is it not? It’ll be another 10ish years, most likely, before any new vacancies. Generally speaking, it’s fairly safe to assume that we won’t see any vacancies during the next presidency, and possibly not the following one either. Voting does matter on local administration, even regional, but presidential? At this point, we’re well beyond the point of harm reduction by voting for the lesser of two evils when it comes to the big picture wellbeing of the nation and geopolitics. Voting for the president is not harm reduction, and anyone who still thinks that after the Hillary then Biden catastrophe, and continues to vote for the Democratic Party, is simply enabling and complicit in the scam and dysfunction of the party. It would definitely get ugly for a bit, but if every democratic voter abstained, it would force a radical transformation in the Democratic Party if they had any desire to continue to exist. Continuing to try and slow the damage doesn’t work when the office of the president isn’t beholden to anything, and the small piecemeal, minor changes enacted by a democratic president that may temporarily improve some small quality of life factors for some people, dont stop the overall decline. Maybe its accelerationist, but id rather it get grim for a few years in hopes that it radicalizes the masses and forces change, then continue to decay for another 20+. It’s not just the conservative right wing base that needs a harsh wake up call, the liberals need an existential crisis to wake them the fuck up. Continuing to play the game that is provided to us as a way to make people feel like they’ve done their duty just perpetuates the whole scheme. We’re past reforming our way out of this, we’re past voting our way back to the light. The system is rotten, and the suffering it’s going to cause is already written in stone. It’s going to destroy some people’s lives, as it already is, so is it really sensible to knowingly prop it up artificially and drag out the suffering, or is it better to just get it over with in hopes we prevent the further destruction inevitably tied to stalling? For fucks sake, we’re funding a genocide that’s universally disapproved of by the global citizenry, under a democratic president, and we should feel bad for refusing to participate in voting for which corpse takes credit? No, the damage isn't already done bc it can get perpetually get worse. There's a shit ton more civil protections to be removed and abstractions to be reimagined as protections of corporations. In a world of cancer, car accidents and fluke events it's never safe to assume a group of boomers is invincible and if you think stewardship of scotus matters, that in and of itself is a view counter to abstinence. The second block is just a half thought out take on the idea that accelerationism has a net benefit. The idea that blue voters taking a cycle off and come back ready to play next time is like saying it'd be easier to plow a field if you let it get choked with weeds and trees. Beyond that, globalism ensures that america will never be a failed state because of our assets and lock on english art mediums. Foreign governments and multinationals will do whatever it takes to keep the wheels turning and absolutely no one gives a shit about what we do with our minorities. The idea that accelerationism will build coalitions at the cost of the most vulnerable is counter to the fact that the strides for equality have come during times of prosperity, not strife. If you don't want to vote, that's cool but don't dress it up as a galaxy brain universal good Definitely not dressing it up as a galaxy brained universal good. There’s no best tactic or right answer, even without considering the variation in human apinion. Ultimately American politics is as fruitless as this thread. We can discuss this stuff for the next thousand years but the wheels will turn on their own with very little input from the people by way of presidential elections. Change comes when society at large changes, and politics will mostly follow suit aside from those issues directly linked to corporate profit. This nightmare persists as long as the working class remains at its own throat looking to whichever old man says the thing they think the other side doesn’t want to hear. These old men are beholden to their donors and their corporate buddies, and until society at large forces a shift in those donors and corporate interests, the office of the president will be more of the same, bouncing between center and religious right, in perpetuity.
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