HOPE EVERYONE LEARNED THEIR LESSON ON BUM-ASS TONY POLLARD

[Untalented Elvis Costello]

The Other B9 League, 12 teams:


11 Saquon Barkley, NYG RB
14 Melvin Gordon, LAC RB
35 Alex Collins, Bal RB
38 Aaron Rodgers, GB QB
59 Jimmy Graham, GB TE
62 Michael Crabtree, Bal WR
83 Devin Funchess, Car WR
86 Duke Johnson Jr., Cle RB
107 Kenny Stills, Mia WR
110 Jack Doyle, Ind TE
131 Kirk Cousins, Min QB
134 Steelers D/ST D/ST
155 Allen Hurns, Dal WR
158 Chris Boswell, Pit K

[Wayne Woodrow Hayes]

2018 TOB9L SEASON:

TEAM PAID IN FULL



QB:  GOFF
RB:  KAREEM HUNT, KENYON DRAKE, ISAIAH  CROWELL,  MARLON MACK
WR:  AJ GREEN, JUJU, ROBERT WOODS, COOPER KUPP, JOHN ROSS
TE:  KYLE RUDOLPH, BEN WATSON
K:  MATT PRATTER
DEF:  RAVENS

[heathenist]

My team is pretty dope honestly.

[Untalented Elvis Costello]

I like my team. WRs stink but they're WR1 on their teams.....so, targets?

[Untalented Elvis Costello]

first pick in 3rd and final draft

LB or TGIII

[itii]

Sept 2, 2018 20:46:13 GMT -5 Untalented Elvis Costello said:

first pick in 3rd and final draft

LB or TGIII

Tg3

[Untalented Elvis Costello]

Go Dawgs

[snoopywoodstock]

I like my team.

Coming 4 u James K

4 David Johnson, Ari RB
21 Mike Evans, TB WR
28 Larry Fitzgerald, Ari WR
45 Jarvis Landry, Cle WR
52 Marshawn Lynch, Oak RB
69 Rex Burkhead, NE RB
76 Julian Edelman, NE WR
93 Trey Burton, Chi TE
100 Jimmy Garoppolo, SF QB
117 Rashaad Penny, Sea RB
124 Chargers D/ST D/ST
141 Jordan Wilkins, Ind RB
148 Robbie Gould, SF K
165 Saints D/ST D/ST

[Untalented Elvis Costello]

got TWO running backs in this draft LOL

[Untalented Elvis Costello]

work league, 10 teams:


1 Todd Gurley II, LAR RB
20 A.J. Green, Cin WR
21 Davante Adams, GB WR
40 Alex Collins, Bal RB
41 Marvin Jones Jr., Det WR
60 Greg Olsen, Car TE
61 Robert Woods, LAR WR
80 Julian Edelman, NE WR
81 Matthew Stafford, Det QB
100 Alshon Jeffery, Phi WR
101 Charles Clay, Buf TE
120 Philip Rivers, LAC QB
121 Justin Tucker, Bal K
140 Chargers D/ST D/ST

[heathenist]

Sept 2, 2018 21:48:14 GMT -5 Untalented Elvis Costello said:

work league, 10 teams:


1 Todd Gurley II, LAR RB
20 A.J. Green, Cin WR
21 Davante Adams, GB WR
40 Alex Collins, Bal RB
41 Marvin Jones Jr., Det WR
60 Greg Olsen, Car TE
61 Robert Woods, LAR WR
80 Julian Edelman, NE WR
81 Matthew Stafford, Det QB
100 Alshon Jeffery, Phi WR
101 Charles Clay, Buf TE
120 Philip Rivers, LAC QB
121 Justin Tucker, Bal K
140 Chargers D/ST D/ST

dude. Better be scouting that waiver wire.

[heathenist]

Remember when Kamara wen't 3rd overall despite experts all saying they expect a good amount of regression because his pace last year isn’t really sustainable?

[Untalented Elvis Costello]

with Edelman that's a good starting lineup but I have zero depth

[Untalented Elvis Costello]

also that league has four bench spots so there will def be waiver wire potential

[itii]

Sept 2, 2018 22:05:14 GMT -5 heathenist said:

Remember when Kamara wen't 3rd overall despite experts all saying they expect a good amount of regression because his pace last year isn’t really sustainable?

Remember that time i wen't back to back to back in ob9l?

[snoopywoodstock]

Sept 2, 2018 22:36:36 GMT -5 itii said:

Sept 2, 2018 22:05:14 GMT -5 heathenist said:

Remember when Kamara wen't 3rd overall despite experts all saying they expect a good amount of regression because his pace last year isn’t really sustainable?

Remember that time i wen't back to back to back in ob9l?

DREW BREES NO TRADE CLAUSE 

[itii]

Sept 2, 2018 22:46:09 GMT -5 snoopywoodstock said:

Sept 2, 2018 22:36:36 GMT -5 itii said:

Remember that time i wen't back to back to back in ob9l?

DREW BREES NO TRADE CLAUSE 

SPOILER: Click to show

[heathenist]

Sept 2, 2018 22:36:36 GMT -5 itii said:

Sept 2, 2018 22:05:14 GMT -5 heathenist said:

Remember when Kamara wen't 3rd overall despite experts all saying they expect a good amount of regression because his pace last year isn’t really sustainable?

Remember that time i wen't back to back to back in ob9l?

You had a good draft, but that pick was whacky. I don’t think Karama will be bad, but David Johnson was still on the board and I think pretty much everyone expects him to have a monster year and for Kamara to regress some.

[itii]

Sept 2, 2018 23:35:23 GMT -5 heathenist said:

Sept 2, 2018 22:36:36 GMT -5 itii said:

Remember that time i wen't back to back to back in ob9l?

You had a good draft, but that pick was whacky. I don’t think Karama will be bad, but David Johnson was still on the board and I think pretty much everyone expects him to have a monster year and for Kamara to regress some.

Rosen is a rookie qb and I expect opposing teams to stack the box against a strong rb and a rookie qb. He might regress but in a ppr league with ingram suspended, there's way more upside ppg and familiarity than kamara.

[yosupbro]

Idk man
QB:Philip Rivers, Alex Smith
RB:Zeke, Royce Freeman,James White, Bilal Powell
WR:Keenan Allen, Ty Hilton, Corey Davis,Alshon Jeffrey, Jamison Chowder
TE:Charles Clay
Jaguars D
K:Gostkowskeet

[joetee316]

14 team league - .5 PPR

Watson
Carr
Gurley
Mixon
Burkhead
Ingram
Booker
Evans
Crabtree
Garcon
Nelson
Doyle
Gould
Chargers

[heathenist]

Sept 2, 2018 23:49:29 GMT -5 itii said:

Sept 2, 2018 23:35:23 GMT -5 heathenist said:

You had a good draft, but that pick was whacky. I don’t think Karama will be bad, but David Johnson was still on the board and I think pretty much everyone expects him to have a monster year and for Kamara to regress some.

Rosen is a rookie qb and I expect opposing teams to stack the box against a strong rb and a rookie qb. He might regress but in a ppr league with ingram suspended, there's way more upside ppg and familiarity than kamara.

i can definitely see the rookie q.v. argument and teams stacking the box. But the dude had 900 receiving yards two seasons ago, so it’s not like stacking the box is gonna prevent that. Plus because of the rookie qb I see him catching a lot of check down passes this year.

[bricksandbones]

Kamara's production isn't sustainable on a "per touch" basis, but he should see a significant increase in touches to balance that out.

[heathenist]

Sept 3, 2018 2:29:58 GMT -5 bricksandbones said:

Kamara's production isn't sustainable on a "per touch" basis, but he should see a significant increase in touches to balance that out.

You think? If I were the Saints coaching staff I'd want to preserve him rather than try to turn him into a 3 down, bell-cow back that he clearly isn't. That means I'd be leaning on the backup a little bit (whoever that is right now), and then when Ingram gets back, leaning more on him. I think last year he got something like 14 touches per game, and I wouldn't really be expecting much more than that. Maybe 17-18, but definitely not 25 or anything. 

[bricksandbones]

I'm not expecting him to be a 20+ carry bellcow back. But I'm looking at it like this:

He had 120 carries for 728 yards. A clip of 6.1 ypc. I don't expect him to sustain 6.1 ypc, but I expect him to get at minimum 2 more carries per game than last year, equating to a floor of 152 carries. At 152 carries, you'd only need 4.8 ypc to sustain the total rushing yardage from last year. And 152 carries is still lower than where I expect him to ultimately end up (I'd expect somewhere in the 180-210 range; 210 @ 4.8 breaks the 1000 yard threshold for rushing). For comparison, Dion Lewis had 180 carries last year.

[heathenist]

Sept 3, 2018 13:34:20 GMT -5 bricksandbones said:

I'm not expecting him to be a 20+ carry bellcow back. But I'm looking at it like this:

He had 120 carries for 728 yards. A clip of 6.1 ypc. I don't expect him to sustain 6.1 ypc, but I expect him to get at minimum 2 more carries per game than last year, equating to a floor of 152 carries. At 152 carries, you'd only need 4.8 ypc to sustain the total rushing yardage from last year. And 152 carries is still lower than where I expect him to ultimately end up (I'd expect somewhere in the 180-210 range; 210 @ 4.8 breaks the 1000 yard threshold for rushing). For comparison, Dion Lewis had 180 carries last year.

Sure, but David Johnson was still on the board and he had over 2000 total yards in his last full season. Like I said, I think Kamara will do well, but I’d be shocked if he is in the same tier as DJ, Gurley, or Bell.

[I Gave You Power]

Sept 3, 2018 12:33:12 GMT -5 heathenist said:

Sept 3, 2018 2:29:58 GMT -5 bricksandbones said:

Kamara's production isn't sustainable on a "per touch" basis, but he should see a significant increase in touches to balance that out.

You think? If I were the Saints coaching staff I'd want to preserve him rather than try to turn him into a 3 down, bell-cow back that he clearly isn't. That means I'd be leaning on the backup a little bit (whoever that is right now), and then when Ingram gets back, leaning more on him. I think last year he got something like 14 touches per game, and I wouldn't really be expecting much more than that. Maybe 17-18, but definitely not 25 or anything. 

What do you mean he "clearly isn't?" Sean Peyton said he's Marshall Faulk 2.0 prior to last season and all he did was wen't out there and proved it emphatically. He can run between the tackles, he can bounce it outside, he can show patience and he has burst. And that's just the running game, he's obviously a huge weapon catching the ball too.

And he's the same height and weight as Faulk, so if there are durability concerns, I'm not sure why. I know he runs like he's Darren Sproles' size but he has prototypical RB measurements. 

[bricksandbones]

Sept 3, 2018 16:00:27 GMT -5 heathenist said:

Sept 3, 2018 13:34:20 GMT -5 bricksandbones said:

I'm not expecting him to be a 20+ carry bellcow back. But I'm looking at it like this:

He had 120 carries for 728 yards. A clip of 6.1 ypc. I don't expect him to sustain 6.1 ypc, but I expect him to get at minimum 2 more carries per game than last year, equating to a floor of 152 carries. At 152 carries, you'd only need 4.8 ypc to sustain the total rushing yardage from last year. And 152 carries is still lower than where I expect him to ultimately end up (I'd expect somewhere in the 180-210 range; 210 @ 4.8 breaks the 1000 yard threshold for rushing). For comparison, Dion Lewis had 180 carries last year.

Sure, but David Johnson was still on the board and he had over 2000 total yards in his last full season. Like I said, I think Kamara will do well, but I’d be shocked if he is in the same tier as DJ, Gurley, or Bell.

I have/had DJ rated above Kamara. But with that said... DJ is also playing behind a new QB with a new HC/OC. No guarantee that he'll get the same opportunities as he did two years ago. 

[heathenist]

Sept 3, 2018 17:17:26 GMT -5 I Gave You Power said:

Sept 3, 2018 12:33:12 GMT -5 heathenist said:

You think? If I were the Saints coaching staff I'd want to preserve him rather than try to turn him into a 3 down, bell-cow back that he clearly isn't. That means I'd be leaning on the backup a little bit (whoever that is right now), and then when Ingram gets back, leaning more on him. I think last year he got something like 14 touches per game, and I wouldn't really be expecting much more than that. Maybe 17-18, but definitely not 25 or anything. 

What do you mean he "clearly isn't?" Sean Peyton said he's Marshall Faulk 2.0 prior to last season and all he did was wen't out there and proved it emphatically. He can run between the tackles, he can bounce it outside, he can show patience and he has burst. And that's just the running game, he's obviously a huge weapon catching the ball too.

And he's the same height and weight as Faulk, so if there are durability concerns, I'm not sure why. I know he runs like he's Darren Sproles' size but he has prototypical RB measurements.     

That's fair. I just wonder if he would be as successful as a 3 down back getting 25+ touches per game. I didn't watch many Saints games last year, so I mostly only saw highlights, but it seemed like a lot of his success came from running outside, or catching passes. I don't recall seeing any highlights of him running it straight up the middle, or any goal line TDs, or 3rd and shorts, etc. Can he do those things? Maybe? And maybe he did last year, I just don't remember it at all. It's just easier for a defense to game plan against a 3 down back if he never runs it up the middle.

[itii]

He runs fine up the middle but no rb is going to have more highlights running up the gut than getting into space. 98% of middle run highlights are oline highlights or blown responsibilities.

That said, it's not that'm unaware of why its controversial.