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Post by roofies on May 20, 2020 1:58:14 GMT -5
Rogan gets his news from reactionaries from the left (news outlets which I understand much of the board would be down with) and the right (basically his alternative media ecosystem). Whenever he voices dumb or ill-informed apinions he deflects and couches it in βIβm just some idiot, so whatever,β while knowing full well the gigantic audience he pulls who value his apinions. He seems like a perfectly good guy, but I think heβs a net negative for political and social discourse. the problem isn't him - it's that people are so dumb they get their information from joe rogan and don't research for themselves. if it wasn't him it would be someone else for that type of person ya know? MILLIONS of people look at Trump as an authority on everything, from medical advice, to marriage advice, etc. That's how low people are willing to go to believe anything. If you take a step back, Joe Rogan is a blip on the radar in terms of what really affects people to believe the insane shit that they do. So I completely agree with you.
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Post by bufoalvarius on May 20, 2020 2:00:54 GMT -5
yeah man that's exactly it. he's just a symptom of a much much bigger thing, not the cause.
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Post by pbcookies on May 20, 2020 2:03:57 GMT -5
What a weird argument. It's like saying, "Drug traffickers aren't bad people, the real problem is drug use."
They can both be bad
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Post by bufoalvarius on May 20, 2020 2:07:17 GMT -5
nah legalize it all.
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Post by pbcookies on May 20, 2020 2:08:21 GMT -5
damn if that one wen't over your head, you've at least convinced me you're a Rogan listener
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Post by roofies on May 20, 2020 2:18:31 GMT -5
Nah it's like focusing on dense nuggs of fat buds and being bad, when there's an opioid and meth epidemic out there.
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Post by pbcookies on May 20, 2020 2:22:02 GMT -5
the guy just made a fucking hundred million dollars because he's that effective at profiteering off of the credulous and ignorant
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Post by pbcookies on May 20, 2020 2:23:55 GMT -5
I just hate his stupid oily pink head, ok
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Post by queserasera on May 20, 2020 2:25:44 GMT -5
Brendan and the other hacks who eat off of joe are going to end up moving to Texas with him. He pulled a stern because at his age, who wouldnβt? Maybe heβs getting a divorce? Itβs like everyone in music selling publishing now when the market is hot. Guarantee he does paid interviews, which will be shorter with whoever gets driven over to his new compound.
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Post by ed on May 20, 2020 2:28:56 GMT -5
Sam Seder is great
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Post by Rhys on May 20, 2020 2:31:06 GMT -5
Spotify seem to be throwing big money at podcasts. Last Podcast wen't Spotify exclusive and itβs so frustrating. Their interface is atrocious for podcasts.
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Post by roofies on May 20, 2020 2:34:32 GMT -5
the guy just made a fucking hundred million dollars because he's that effective at profiteering off of the credulous and ignorant I really dont care about him as a person at all. I truly think his appeal is his format, and the guests he has on. He has no doubt the widest variety of people on his show, and they have unfiltered conversations on interesting topics. If it was just him blabbing for 3 hours, he wouldn't nearly be as popular. I dont know why more people dont do what he does.
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Post by pbcookies on May 20, 2020 2:40:41 GMT -5
the guy just made a fucking hundred million dollars because he's that effective at profiteering off of the credulous and ignorant I really dont care about him as a person at all. I truly think his appeal is his format, and the guests he has on. He has no doubt the widest variety of people on his show, and they have unfiltered conversations on interesting topics. If it was just him blabbing for 3 hours, he wouldn't nearly be as popular. I dont know why more people dont do what he does. point taken, but I listen to Fresh Air now instead of Rogan because I'm a wine mom the format has been around (Charlie Rose also), but they all previously existed for highly educated suburbanites. Rogan just repackaged it for people who ride four wheelers. I'm not saying that wasn't shrewd, but I personally can't really take it anymore
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Post by roofies on May 20, 2020 2:47:19 GMT -5
I really dont care about him as a person at all. I truly think his appeal is his format, and the guests he has on. He has no doubt the widest variety of people on his show, and they have unfiltered conversations on interesting topics. If it was just him blabbing for 3 hours, he wouldn't nearly be as popular. I dont know why more people dont do what he does. point taken, but I listen to Fresh Air now instead of Rogan because I'm a wine mom the format has been around (Charlie Rose also), but they all previously existed for highly educated suburbanites. Rogan just repackaged it for people who ride four wheelers. I'm not saying that wasn't shrewd, but I personally can't really take it anymore I mean specifically a free unfiltered podcast. Talk shows sure. But podcasts are much more assessable and reach a much wider audience. I think JR appeals more to the libertarian/tool fan crowd, over the biker crowd. But in reality he has a pretty wide and diverse audience. It's just easy to make fun and hate his more obvious and outgoing fanbase.
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Post by pbcookies on May 20, 2020 2:51:47 GMT -5
Fresh Air is released as a podcast though, along with virtually every other radio show nowadays.
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Post by roofies on May 20, 2020 2:54:56 GMT -5
Fresh Air is released as a podcast though, along with virtually every other radio show nowadays. I got it. There are others. And I'm not counting out radio either (Howard Stern?). It's the variety. When did Fresh Air go from interviewing Navy Seals telling war stories one day, to UFO and DMT researchers the next?
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Post by pisswizard on May 20, 2020 3:01:29 GMT -5
Canβt believe how obvious of a grifter joey rogan is, yet people eat his poo right up.
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Post by indoubt on May 20, 2020 3:05:58 GMT -5
Says alot this thread has generated this much conversation.
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Post by indoubt on May 20, 2020 3:06:34 GMT -5
Spreading disinformation is profitable: news at 10.
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Post by pbcookies on May 20, 2020 3:20:33 GMT -5
Fresh Air is released as a podcast though, along with virtually every other radio show nowadays. I got it. There are others. And I'm not counting out radio either (Howard Stern?). It's the variety. When did Fresh Air go from interviewing Navy Seals telling war stories one day, to UFO and DMT researchers the next? I mean those feel like topics that appeal to one specific type of person. Just scrolling through the last week or so of Fresh Air guests/topics: -Janelle Monae -an author talking about student loan debt -Steve Martin -"fashion guru" Tim Gunn -a woman whose family ran a successful pot brownie business -a doctor who developed a cure for a rare disease he himself had through crowdfunding that seems like at least as wide a breadth as what you'd find on Rogan. I'm not saying Rogan doesn't have variety, just that his innovation wasn't this format, it was just adapting it to a new type of person who wasn't previously interested in the "conversation and nothing else" genre.
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Post by pbcookies on May 20, 2020 3:21:24 GMT -5
also I'm not some kind of Fresh Air superfan, I'm just using it as an example of a Rogan-like format where the topics appeal much more to me specifically
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Post by roofies on May 20, 2020 3:29:05 GMT -5
I'm not even saying JR hosts particularly intellectual guests and topics. It's pretty dumbed down shit that appeals to mainstreamed Americans. Most people I know who dont like JR are pretty far-left leaning, and he's pretty much burned his bridges with his far-right fanbase. He appeals to everyone else in the middle of those two leanings. Fresh Air appeals to a pretty specific crown of left-leaning people.
But, whatever the case. I'm not immersed in JR culture, and listen to maybe two of his podcasts a month. I guess I'm just making a case for his popularity, as opposed to his influence.
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Post by pbcookies on May 20, 2020 3:39:45 GMT -5
I'm not even saying JR hosts particularly intellectual guests and topics. It's pretty dumbed down shit that appeals to mainstreamed Americans. Most people I know who dont like JR are pretty far-left leaning, and he's pretty much burned his bridges with his far-right fanbase. He appeals to everyone else in the middle of those two leanings. Fresh Air appeals to a pretty specific crown of left-leaning people. But, whatever the case. I'm not immersed in JR culture, and listen to maybe two of his podcasts a month. I guess I'm just making a case for his popularity, as opposed to his influence. I understand, and you're right about most of this. At the risk of dredging up an argument you and I may have had at some point (I honestly can't remember), my problem with Rogan is not that he's a secret right-wing extremist or that he's subliminally influencing his large audience to some nefarious end. My problem is that he and his listeners seem to subscribe to this notion that all ideas are roughly equal and it's the responsibility of the hearer to verify their value or compare them to opposing ideas. Or, similarly, that ideas when spoken exist in this entirely neutral zone where they have no moral dimension until they're actually picked up by someone; the responsibility is always on the recipient. This conveniently removes them (comedians do this all the time, that's what I was complaining about earlier) from any responsibility for the things they say or point towards. And they go on to say that anyone who dares imply that some of the things they talk about are not worth talking about therefore believes in "censorship". I know that he shies away from most of the controversial stuff these days, I just hate that self-aggrandizing free speech warrior bullshit.
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Post by roofies on May 20, 2020 3:53:46 GMT -5
I'm not even saying JR hosts particularly intellectual guests and topics. It's pretty dumbed down shit that appeals to mainstreamed Americans. Most people I know who dont like JR are pretty far-left leaning, and he's pretty much burned his bridges with his far-right fanbase. He appeals to everyone else in the middle of those two leanings. Fresh Air appeals to a pretty specific crown of left-leaning people. But, whatever the case. I'm not immersed in JR culture, and listen to maybe two of his podcasts a month. I guess I'm just making a case for his popularity, as opposed to his influence. I understand, and you're right about most of this. At the risk of dredging up an argument you and I may have had at some point (I honestly can't remember), my problem with Rogan is not that he's a secret right-wing extremist or that he's subliminally influencing his large audience to some nefarious end. My problem is that he and his listeners seem to subscribe to this notion that all ideas are roughly equal and it's the responsibility of the hearer to verify their value or compare them to opposing ideas. Or, similarly, that ideas when spoken exist in this entirely neutral zone where they have no moral dimension until they're actually picked up by someone; the responsibility is always on the recipient. This conveniently removes them (comedians do this all the time, that's what I was complaining about earlier) from any responsibility for the things they say or point towards. And they go on to say that anyone who dares imply that some of the things they talk about are not worth talking about therefore believes in "censorship". I know that he shies away from most of the controversial stuff these days, I just hate that self-aggrandizing free speech warrior bullshit. Yeh, I feel you for sure on all this. His whole "dont listen to me, I have no idea what Im talking about" is a cheap way to relieve all responsibility to him saying absurd shit. And he's wrong alot. He has been getting better at grilling his right-wing guests though. Recently that Navy Seal congressman from Texas Dan Krenshaw? Anyway, Joe almost made that dude meltdown over universal healthcare. It was fun to watch. Anyway, good chat. I'm sure when the morning hits, all the greasy tankinis are gonna bust in calling me a nazi and shit.
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Post by rickynorse on May 20, 2020 4:10:38 GMT -5
Meathead jock
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Post by neilmorrissey on May 20, 2020 4:13:12 GMT -5
rogans at his best when he just pokes the conversation along and lets the other speak. he's not exactly a skilled orator but he does elicit a decent back and forth mostly. he has some pretty interesting / knowledgable guests that in some cases otherwise wouldn't get such a platform or be recognised by the audience demographic, so for that he's okay. i always skip the meme parts
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2020 4:27:21 GMT -5
No he isnβt, he is a perpetulant child whose smugness needs to be punched out a bit
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2020 5:57:05 GMT -5
It's still technically free, but you have to make a Spotify o-count to listen. I imagine free users will have a barrage of ads vs. premium subscribers with like, one or two.
This is huge for Spotify and detrimental for YouTube. I'm honestly kind of surprised he did this, but I mean, who is turning down $100 million or more?
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Post by DAYMAN on May 20, 2020 6:07:13 GMT -5
I haven't listened to Fresh Air in a while, but I met Terry Gross in hs.
I'll say it like I always do: Rogan peaked with NewsRadio.
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Post by crimsonotter on May 20, 2020 6:35:43 GMT -5
Rogans a dipshit, that has lost grasp of reality. His diehard fans are just as bad.
I know people that basically use him for news and info. He also gave a platform to Brendan shaub becoming a stand up, which is just terrrible
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