creep callout megathread / corky romano apreesh

[adonis]

Jun 17, 2020 23:13:11 GMT -5 FEMA Sniper said:

Jun 17, 2020 23:12:20 GMT -5 theywalkedinline said:

Is Scientology entrenched in any level of government or law enforcement there? Even under the table? I just feel like they have gotten away with so much and with so much evidence against them. I know at one point there were RICO charges against them but I'm not sure what came of that. Even the DA is probably in fear that everything he's ever done that's not on the up and up could be exposed or held against him. 

The members are rich.

There's always a bigger fish and scientology takes up A LOT of prime real estate in the city. like, an insane amount. There are likely a lot of wealthier and more powerful people / organizations desperate to see them kicked out of town.

edit: also now with the public perception of " the church" being what it is ( psychos) , any mud slinging at their detractors is hopefully more now than ever easily written off as without merit or credibility. 

[theywalkedinline]

Jun 17, 2020 23:06:49 GMT -5 pretzelbites said:

17 is legal pops

Not in every state and not across state lines. 

[svejk]

[adonis]

Jun 17, 2020 23:15:35 GMT -5 theywalkedinline said:

Jun 17, 2020 23:06:49 GMT -5 pretzelbites said:

17 is legal pops

Not in every state and not across state lines. 

16 in the UK , fam.

[FEMA Sniper]

Jun 17, 2020 23:15:23 GMT -5 adonis said:

Jun 17, 2020 23:13:11 GMT -5 FEMA Sniper said:

The members are rich.

There's always a bigger fish and scientology takes up A LOT of prime real estate in the city. like, an insane amount. There are likely a lot of wealthier and more powerful people / organizations desperate to see them kicked out of town.

Maybe but they still aren't extinct for some reason.

[pretzelbites]

Jun 17, 2020 23:15:35 GMT -5 theywalkedinline said:

Jun 17, 2020 23:06:49 GMT -5 pretzelbites said:

17 is legal pops

Not in every state and not across state lines. 

I was just referring to an episode from the life of international rap superstar Viper

[theywalkedinline]

That 2% battery life just gave me major anxiety.

[MMST3K]

Jun 17, 2020 22:54:10 GMT -5 anointed said:

Jun 17, 2020 22:53:16 GMT -5 adonis said:

not really the time for jokes tbh, mutiple women were raped,  but do you.

My bad, king, you right.

I didn't even get it.

[Sorley Boy]

Jun 17, 2020 23:13:11 GMT -5 FEMA Sniper said:

Jun 17, 2020 23:12:20 GMT -5 theywalkedinline said:

Is Scientology entrenched in any level of government or law enforcement there? Even under the table? I just feel like they have gotten away with so much and with so much evidence against them. I know at one point there were RICO charges against them but I'm not sure what came of that. Even the DA is probably in fear that everything he's ever done that's not on the up and up could be exposed or held against him. 

The members are rich.

My friend's neighbor flirted with scientology for a while and got pretty deep into it before realizing it's a grift. Apparently they structure it so that you have to donate increasing sums of money to learn more about what they actually believe, which obviously becomes increasingly insane as you learn more about their lore or whatever. I always laugh about this dude excitedly dropping his last big check in the mail and getting back some pamphlet about his body being possessed by aliens in response. 

[Ese Ese]

Jun 17, 2020 23:18:28 GMT -5 pretzelbites said:

Jun 17, 2020 23:15:35 GMT -5 theywalkedinline said:

Not in every state and not across state lines. 

I was just referring to an episode from the life of international rap superstar Viper

Youll cowards don't even smoke crack

[Ese Ese]

Jun 17, 2020 23:15:23 GMT -5 adonis said:

Jun 17, 2020 23:13:11 GMT -5 FEMA Sniper said:

The members are rich.

There's always a bigger fish and scientology takes up A LOT of prime real estate in the city. like, an insane amount. There are likely a lot of wealthier and more powerful people / organizations desperate to see them kicked out of town.

edit: also now with the public perception of " the church" being what it is ( psychos) , any mud slinging at their detractors is hopefully more now than ever easily written off as without merit or credibility. 

Bro these dudes are straight up looney tunes.

[FEMA Sniper]

Jun 17, 2020 23:21:14 GMT -5 Sorley Boy said:

Jun 17, 2020 23:13:11 GMT -5 FEMA Sniper said:

The members are rich.

My friend's neighbor flirted with scientology for a while and got pretty deep into it before realizing it's a grift. Apparently they structure it so that you have to donate increasing sums of money to learn more about what they actually believe, which obviously becomes increasingly insane as you learn more about their lore or whatever. I always laugh about this muchacho excitedly dropping his last big check in the mail and getting back some pamphlet about his body being possessed by aliens in response. 

Definitely a pyramid scheme.

[MMST3K]

Jun 17, 2020 23:26:24 GMT -5 FEMA Sniper said:

Jun 17, 2020 23:21:14 GMT -5 Sorley Boy said:

My friend's neighbor flirted with scientology for a while and got pretty deep into it before realizing it's a grift. Apparently they structure it so that you have to donate increasing sums of money to learn more about what they actually believe, which obviously becomes increasingly insane as you learn more about their lore or whatever. I always laugh about this muchacho excitedly dropping his last big check in the mail and getting back some pamphlet about his body being possessed by aliens in response. 

Definitely a pyramid scheme.

Can't imagine why you would think that.

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Jun 17, 2020 23:18:28 GMT -5 pretzelbites said:

Jun 17, 2020 23:15:35 GMT -5 theywalkedinline said:

Not in every state and not across state lines. 

I was just referring to an episode from the life of international rap superstar Viper

okay now this rocks

[Osama Vinladen Jiménez López🎅🎄]

Jun 17, 2020 20:35:35 GMT -5 not Worship said:

Ya but i assume[\b]

BIG mistake

[BIL Security Team Alpha]

I’m imagining Chris D’elia having his assistant set calendar reminders for the dates his babies reach age of consent.

[MMST3K]

The whole "babies" thing being probably the most damning part.Pedos do that kind of thing its a weird self outing style trend.

[Deleted]

Hate this guy so much. This dude on his own (terrible) podcast like a month ago was talking about there is no pedophilia in hollywood because if there was, he's so fucking famous that he would know about it

fuck this stupid fucking worm

[foggy]

He's in Zack Snyder's new Netflix movie, Army of the Dead. Wonder how that'll be handled.

[DAYMAN]

Is Rocketmail just a fringe email server for creeps? Is it advertised within Girls Gone Wild videos or something? That's what I still can't get over.

[I Gave You Power]

Jun 17, 2020 19:26:10 GMT -5 198d said:

Jun 17, 2020 13:07:03 GMT -5 I Gave You Power said:

Yes, when I was 18-21 and in a college environment. I'm 33 now and have very, very different apinions about women and a markedly better understanding of the shit they go through on a day-to-day basis. 

Now are you done trying to make this about me rather than reckon with the fact that you're defending Chris D'Elia with annoying-kid-in-philosophy-101 rhetoric?

I'm sorry but you're actually kind of proving Worship's point by saying this.

I don't give a shit about this comedian, he's probably a dirtbag, I had never heard of him until today. I also assume you're a solid guy, based on the little I know about you. We don't always agree, but I highly doubt you let your past define you. 

With that said, we now live in an environment where people aren't allowed to leave their past behind them and right the ship. You can acknowledge the growth you've had, however, all it takes is one person from those 18-21 years you mentioned to bring up something that shines on you in an unfavorable way to completely destroy your life. You may have done everything in your power to fix your incorrect behaviors/ideas, but that is null at this juncture. Worship is not defending this comedian, he's speaking out against this new wave of mob justice where everyone's past is now liable to be weaponized against them at any time for someone's personal gain—despite the fact there have been major cultural breakthroughs which simply didn't exist in our formative years (people older than 27, mostly). I wasn't raised in "woke" culture, I had to learn it through hard experiences and mistakes. A lot of which I'm not proud of. Should my previous errors haunt me for the rest of my life? I guess that seems to be the consensus in these crowds.

Look at what is happening at Bon Appetit. They rightfully outed the higher ups for discriminatory labor practices. Awesome. But for some reason, the mob justice started spilling over to another employee who had nothing to do with the initial grievance. This Delaney kid, who seemingly did nothing wrong in this scenario, had 8-10 year-old tweets dug up (some of which were made when he was fucking 17) of him saying some mildly offensive bro shit. He's on the verge of being cancelled, fired and has been forced to publicly apologize. For tweets he made 10 years ago. When he wasn't the aggressor in the original issue at all.

These people are not nearly as righteous or innocent as they appear. That's why I don't throw stones. Who would willingly take part in this shit? The same twitter mob who is cancelling someone with you today, will do the same to you tomorrow if you piss off the wrong person. Not to mention, almost every bad thing we have done, can be framed in a much more insidious tone in the right context.

I get the general point, but that's 100% a false equivalency and I think you're smart enough to know that.

I made dumb jokes about girls being sluts or disappointing their fathers or whatever, with my friends, as a college kid. That Bon Appetit dude made dumb jokes as a teenager. Chris D'Elia, as a whole-ass adult, attempted to solicit sexual contact from children. To say 'those things are not the same' would be a gross understatement.

That you're using a 'nobody is allowed to leave their past anymore' as an umbrella is, if I'm being charitable, pretty goddamn ridiculous. Mob mentality/witch hunts/cancel culture can be extremely harmful in the wrong circumstances, but when we're talking sex crimes -- and we were, and Worship was -- that is not the same thing. You don't get to just 'right the ship' from being a sex criminal like you just had some bad apinions or something. That's not how it works. The people you harmed will always have been harmed, will always have had their lives changed for the worse because of something you did. You don't get to apologize past that like you're Drew Brees making a dipshit statement on kneeling during the anthem.

And that last point is moot in this instance anyway, because Chris D'Elia hasn't apologized. And when he does, it'll be some rote, disingenuous trash about how "he didn't realize how he was hurting people" and now he's "gonna take a step back to listen so he can be a better person going forward."

[I Gave You Power]

Jun 17, 2020 19:45:24 GMT -5 198d said:

Also, people getting fired from their jobs, no matter the circumstance, is nothing to applaud. It's liberalism in its worst form. Stop doing the work of corporate HR departments on Twitter for free. The only thing to take away from that is how shitty our labor protections are in this country. If they can/will fire you for saying racist things, they'll do the same for being a socialist or trying to form a union. Corporations are far and away the most aggressive arbiters of environmental and worker violence in the world. They should not hold authority to fire people for things they say outside of the workplace.

We all hate racists, but letting our employers be our judge and jury just relinquishes more worker power. Your employer is an actual material contributor to systemic racism, dumb individuals generally are not. This is not excusing the behavior, but trying to modify how these issues are handled and what the root cause actually is.

Like does anyone actually think Starbucks can sincerely promote inclusion and diversity in their stores by holding company training sessions on the subject, while most of their product is harvested by underpaid brown people? FUCK OFF.

LOL. Yeah dude, corporate HR departments have done SUCH a good job of getting rid of racist, sexist, bigoted pieces of trash in the past. Let's leave it to them.

[198d]

I’m not saying corporate HR departments are effective. That’s not the point I’m trying to make at all.

On the previous post, you’re acting like cancellations are only limited to the most heinous offenders, which they certainly aren’t. I’m speaking on the subject as a whole, not about this comedian.

[I Gave You Power]

Jun 18, 2020 8:32:59 GMT -5 198d said:

I’m not saying corporate HR departments are effective. That’s not the point I’m trying to make at all.

On the previous post, you’re acting like cancellations are only limited to the most heinous offenders, which they certainly aren’t. I’m speaking on the subject as a whole, not about this comedian.

Because you painted them with the exact same brush. You likened me saying dumb stuff around my friends as a college kid to Chris D'Elia grooming children as a 30-year-old. Those were literally your words, I didn't twist them.

[fuzzyslippers]

Getting “canceled” (god I hate this term) because you made an off color joke or whatever when you were younger is not going to follow you for life, especially if you make tangible, genuine efforts to better yourself as a person. You take your lumps and keep it moving, you’ll get back on your feet. Doing shit like this? That’s another story

[not Worship]

I think youre underestimating the twitterverse if you think youd be able to successfully plea that there are degrees of intent and distress caused when talking about abuse -- especially as it unfolds in real time. It exists in actual criminal law but not online vigilantism, or at least not til after everyones gotten their jabs in already. The balls rollin and it aint gonna stop until all people obliged get a lick in

[198d]

Jun 18, 2020 8:35:08 GMT -5 I Gave You Power said:

Jun 18, 2020 8:32:59 GMT -5 198d said:

I’m not saying corporate HR departments are effective. That’s not the point I’m trying to make at all.

On the previous post, you’re acting like cancellations are only limited to the most heinous offenders, which they certainly aren’t. I’m speaking on the subject as a whole, not about this comedian.

Because you painted them with the exact same brush. You likened me saying dumb stuff around my friends as a college kid to Chris D'Elia grooming children as a 30-year-old. Those were literally your words, I didn't twist them.

Dude, not at all. I feel like I was actually supporting your point that the two things are nowhere near the same. I’m saying that resorting to the mob to solve all our grievances with people we don’t like is a slippery slope.

I am in no way comparing your past to a guy trying to bang 16 year-olds in his mid thirties. That’s ridiculous. I am actually agreeing with you. But you’re being naive thinking that you calling girls names at one point could never be weaponized against you. The outcome may not be as bad and you may be able to “rehabilitate” your reputation, but it’s ridiculous in the first place and that’s just where we are.

You’re trying to apply logic to a group of people who don’t follow it. You’re being way too lax and you’re giving people too much credit.

[I Gave You Power]

Jun 18, 2020 8:45:54 GMT -5 198d said:

Jun 18, 2020 8:35:08 GMT -5 I Gave You Power said:

Because you painted them with the exact same brush. You likened me saying dumb stuff around my friends as a college kid to Chris D'Elia grooming children as a 30-year-old. Those were literally your words, I didn't twist them.

muchacho, not at all. I feel like I was actually supporting your point that the two things are nowhere near the same. I’m saying that resorting to the mob to solve all our grievances with people we don’t like is a slippery slope.

I am in no way comparing your past to a guy trying to bang 16 year-olds in his mid thirties. That’s ridiculous. I am actually agreeing with you. But you’re being naive thinking that you calling girls names at one point could never be weaponized against you. The outcome may not be as bad and you may be able to “rehabilitate” your reputation, but it’s ridiculous in the first place and that’s just where we are.

You’re trying to apply logic to a group of people who don’t follow it. You’re being way too lax and you’re giving people too much credit.

I know anything can be weaponized by anyone.

My point is that though Twitter witch hunts CAN target the wrong people (I've seen it), in general, massive-scale shit like D'Elia, any of the recent Karens that have lost jobs over the racist things they were recorded saying, is not on the same playing field as I-made-some-dumb-comments-a-decade-ago type shit and not treated like its the same playing field by social media.

For example -- Jake Fromm of the Bills had texts from college (not long ago at all in his particular case but I digress) leak where he joked with a friend about "elite whites." Certainly dumb, but not virulently racist, and people forgot about it and moved on pretty quickly. Sharp contrast from Amy Cooper trying to SWAT a black dude in the park and having her life put into a wood chipper as a result.

[Deleted]

So when is he gonna go on Rogan's podcast to talk about this?

[I Gave You Power]

Update: I was wrong! D'Elia didn't apologize, just straight up denied and counter-accused on some "sorry for anyone offended by my comedy but all my relationships are legal and consensual."

Can't have a consensual relationship with a 16-year-old, Chris.