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Post by Jon Joseph in a golf cart. on Apr 22, 2022 14:35:09 GMT -5
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Post by Michael Balls-Penis on Apr 22, 2022 16:26:06 GMT -5
Trying to add "conspiracy theorist" to his wiki
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Post by nalyd on Apr 22, 2022 17:31:05 GMT -5
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Post by nastyy on Apr 22, 2022 17:50:24 GMT -5
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Post by bonerinsweatpants on Apr 22, 2022 21:03:03 GMT -5
"mind your own business" apparently means attacking and making fun of trans athletes
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2022 21:05:47 GMT -5
I’m confused. Can he legally call it “cro-mags jam” or nah
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Post by anointed on Apr 22, 2022 21:06:33 GMT -5
i like how there's a picture of a dude reclining in his post as if JJ isn't like this all day everyday any time anything is remotely mentioned contradicting his cockamamie views and boomer conspiracies:  |
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Post by MODULOK on Apr 23, 2022 11:17:09 GMT -5
I’m confused. Can he legally call it “cro-mags jam” or nah
Only under certain conditions.
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Post by wedealinlead on Apr 23, 2022 11:50:18 GMT -5
Aka Fake-Mags.
Play the new Bloodclot record and see how well you do. Prediction: you'll still be the only person skanking to it.
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Post by not Worship on Apr 23, 2022 11:52:05 GMT -5
Setlist for today: Wig Gotta Know World (Hair)Piece Hair Grow You No More, See (Hairpeice) Malfunction Street Hairpiece Survival of the Piece Seekers of the Toup' issa Wig Innit Hard (Wig) Times Hair By Myself Don't Touch My Hairpiece Face the Facts (No) Toupee Unto Others Wig Has A Life Of It's Own Sign of the Times (Bald Version) |
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Post by Matt V on Apr 23, 2022 12:44:30 GMT -5
If anyone is going to the show at Tompkins today please keep a tally of how many times anyone on stage thanks the cops for being there vs how many times anyone says something about the cops assaulting/kicking homeless people out of there instead of searching for the subway shooter.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2022 12:46:02 GMT -5
Wow TIL why they kicked JJ out of the band during Best Wishes. Thanks, Parris and Wikipedia.
″The songs that made it infinitely apparent John couldn't do it were 'The Only One', and 'Death Camps' (all lyrics Harley wrote) you could hear and see that John was holding back vocally, struggling with melody and rhythm, mumbling quietly into the microphone instead of singing, while we blasted out these new songs. He was making excuses that our massive PA system wasn't loud enough to hear him when it was just that he was hiding, stalling and making excuses for his inability to find a melody...John was simply a bully and a jerk and his problematic uncooperative pose was getting old. I told him 'the band is moving on without you.' It was that simple.″
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2022 12:54:00 GMT -5
Wait the entire story is crazy, holy shit, Parris IS the best Cro-Mag JJ tried singing on quite a few 'Best Wishes' songs and that's ultimately why we kicked him out, the realization that we had evolved musically since 'Age Of Quarrel' and JJ had not, it was a clear signal it was time for a change.
John had Harley in the grips of his Hare Krishna brain washing and had formed this Hare Krishna bond so it was difficult to get Harley to agree to ousting John but Harley is a musician first and when it became obvious that JJ just wasn’t cutting it Harley changed his tune, neither of us wanted his voice on the record. HF didn’t participate in John’s firing but he didn’t do anything to object anymore.
The songs that made it infinitely apparent John couldn’t do it were 'The Only One', and 'Death Camps' (all lyrics Harley wrote) you could hear and see that John was holding back vocally, struggling with melody and rhythm, mumbling quietly into the microphone instead of singing, while we blasted out these new songs. He was making excuses that our massive PA system wasn't loud enough to hear him when it was just that he was hiding, stalling and making excuses for his inability to find a melody.
I was so frustrated I finally just grabbed a microphone and started singing to make a point and show he was just faking his way through and when I sang it sucked but it was plenty loud. It was clear JJ was struggling with the more musical parts, and didn't have the leg up he had on AOQ with having half the album’s lyrics handed to him on a silver platter; lyrics and melodies already written by Harley and Eric Casanova, the original singer of Cro-Mags and lyricist on many of the classics like 'Life of My Own', 'Hard Times' and 'Street Justice'.
JJ didn't have the musical understanding enough to work it out so he tried to fake it. He also wouldn’t accept help so it was hopeless and he sealed his own fate. As I’ve said before I don’t want or expect people/fans who enjoy JJs vocals to re-evaluate their love for AOQ but an insight into the band creators/songwriter’s and how we interacted and seeing our musical expectations not being met can certainly paint a picture that is easier to understand than name calling and vague reasons like “Krishna is to blame or Harley/JJ/Doug/Mackie were drug users or whatever…". Ultimately JJ's vocals weren't going to work for me, writing an albums worth of music is a long big chunk of your life and soul, I remember my feeling of dread and frustration vividly, my fear that our chance to actually make a great album was being made impossible by his fake singing. Which would become very apparent once we started recording and it was too late to stop it. I wasn't going to compromise this music Again because JJ couldn't really sing, or sing well enough for this album. I had to stop this disaster before it happened.
I already had to live with his underwhelming performance on AOQ LP, and I must stress that we could have helped him, we certainly tried; I had in the past with the AOQ stuff but by now he was just stubborn and we had separated within the band into warring camps and there was zero communication and even less trust. Many bands start out with a bunch of friends and then some guy becomes the singer who really can't sing too well but he is the only guy around, and he gets the job.
That's what happened with JJ, he wasn't really a musician, but he had the tattoos and did a good HR (Bad Brains) imitation on stage so he got the gig. Then the band took off and it wasn’t enough to be genre appropriately adequate. We had a shot at making music for life and JJ just was out of his depth.
But his big picture inadequacy became evident quickly, and his reaction to an attempt to help him, guide him musically were always met by hostility and counter attacks. He was a ignorant street kid who didn't know we could have helped him work within his narrow parameters of skill and we would have.
Because of JJ's animosity he was constantly trying to flex his power in the only way he really could, by being an obstacle, and by threatening to quit the band all the time. At the same time I was pressuring Harley to vote JJ out, and finally when JJ threatened to quit Again I seized the opportunity and just said "Ok, we are moving on without you" and the guys wen't with it.
Of course this was also on the heels of JJ threatening Doug Holland on a plane and making him cry for stealing band money. Doug apparently had it up his ass in a balloon. And John also threatened our tour manager, causing him to quit towards the end of tour, cancelling a bunch of gigs for spite. John was simply a bully and a jerk and his problematic uncooperative pose was getting old. I told him “the band is moving on without you.” It was that simple.
The problems with JJ were not limited to his inadequate musical chops. He was simply a negatron, he hated women, gay (in a good way) people, meat eaters, smart people, the list goes on. His embarrassing anti-gay (in a good way) rants on stage were famous back then. He would just go off in this angry voice about how he was “disgusted” by them. Why bring that on stage? I never understood. So by the time we let him go the Con list had dwarfed the Pro side. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2022 13:05:01 GMT -5
This is now my favorite Cro-Mags x Lemmy story
"CO: Any cool memories of the Motörhead support tour?
PM: The entire tour was a great memory. It didn't start off well. Motörhead didn't want us on that tour at first. When the tour started Motörhead had this huge PA and every night we had to use the club PA system and then Motörhead would come out and be twice as loud as us.
But I noticed Wurzel was watching us at sound check every day. Then Phil showed up. The two guitarists were watching our sound checks and at the side of the stage when we played. Next Lemmy began watching.
After about 2 weeks we wen't up to do a sound check and Motörhead 's sound man got behind their huge soundboard and announced over the microphone "Lemmy told me I'm to do sound for you blokes for the rest of the tour and you are to use out PA system." Holy shit that was awesome of them. Lemmy dedicated a song to us every night and plugged us in radio interviews all over the country. Pretty amazing.
Years later I ran into Lemmy and said "Hello Lemmy I don't know if you remember me?" Lemmy chummed right in and said "of course I remember you. You're the straight man from the Cro-Mags with three names, Parris Mitchell Mayhew."
Surprised I said, "that's right, you have a good memory." he said "I remember the first time I saw you play. I looked up on stage and saw Harley running around with his tattoos and bass flying around making faces and snarling at the audience...Then I looked over to the side of the stage where you stood and saw you, concentrating hard on your guitar, looking all nice with your schoolboy haircut and your short pants and I said to myself, he must write the songs." I said "You see a lot Lemmy."
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Post by Frank Rizzo on Apr 23, 2022 13:09:40 GMT -5
Always find it funny how JJ was/is so homophobic yet dude just couldn’t seem to stop getting spotted in the East Village and LES long after the crime moved on.
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Post by paulkersey on Apr 23, 2022 13:26:50 GMT -5
Its such a nice day out in the city that I wandered over to Tompkins just to catch the scene. The Interrupters just started to a mostly indifferent audience. I'm sure more ppl will show up. I'm a fair guy, even as a hater, cause rn the crowd is not much. Granted this was supposed to have started an hour ago.
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Post by paulkersey on Apr 23, 2022 13:28:10 GMT -5
I'm sorry I meant The Capturers lol
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Post by concealer on Apr 23, 2022 13:28:43 GMT -5
sentence spice JJ to Negatron
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Post by johnny two cool on Apr 23, 2022 13:30:08 GMT -5
If you look at the autobiography, you can see that JJ’s fixation on homosexuality crippled his cognitive economy for at least twen'ty years of his life. He truly couldn’t learn how to sing.
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Post by johnny two cool on Apr 23, 2022 13:31:00 GMT -5
I also love how JJ waxes nostalgically about assaulting gay men the same way your mom talks about how she used to smoke virginia slims.
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Post by paulkersey on Apr 23, 2022 13:47:35 GMT -5
Was hoping Cro Mags JM or Burn was next so I can hear some batshit antivax nonsense and bounce but its Wisdom in Chains..ugh. don't know how long I can hang on.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2022 13:50:41 GMT -5
Was hoping Cro Mags JM or Burn was next so I can hear some batshit antivax nonsense and bounce but its Wisdom in Chains..ugh. don't know how long I can hang on. over / under 1000 people there? |
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Post by wedealinlead on Apr 23, 2022 13:55:52 GMT -5
Username alert: The Straight Man from Cro-Mags.
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Post by nalyd on Apr 23, 2022 13:56:43 GMT -5
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Post by paulkersey on Apr 23, 2022 14:03:14 GMT -5
I'm terrible at eyeballing something like crowd size but its definitely under a 1000
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Post by paulkersey on Apr 23, 2022 14:14:58 GMT -5
The "treasurer" of a biker gang just walked by me. I know this because he had a "Treasurer" patch on the front of his vest. I guess thats a thing?
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Post by paulkersey on Apr 23, 2022 14:15:16 GMT -5
What I'm saying is it was Steve Mnuchin
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2022 14:15:53 GMT -5
I'm terrible at eyeballing something like crowd size but its definitely under a 1000 what a coincidence, so are they. come tomorrow they'll say there were 10,000 people there. |
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