2023 Hardcore

[floorpunchchalie]

Mar 29, 2023 19:31:45 GMT -5 jefe said:

Chemical Fix is so sick, ordered a shirt that never came and they were so nice and sent me another one ... apparently. I didn't get that one either, but I still like 'em.

They are playing here tomorrow with Jivebomb! Saw them back in February and they were good. Complete AN worship but good!

[not Worship]

Mar 29, 2023 18:19:36 GMT -5 giorgio merauder said:

wish there was money in posting

I personally am rich

[waste of space]

Damn, you all are right about this Concealed Blade promo. I didn’t even really care much for their LP either—might have to revisit that. Between this and the Illiterates LP Pittsburgh is really on top of hardcore in 2023. Just need some new Loose Nukes.

[johnny two cool]

Mar 29, 2023 19:31:34 GMT -5 Ass Dan said:

Are you implying there’s a correct way to perceive the world?

Yes, it is a phenomenological prerequisite for any formal epistemic inquiry about true states of affairs.

[Ass Dan]

Why do you think the human brain can correctly perceive the true state of affairs? Many people are saying there’s no evolutionary reason for our perception to be accurate. It just needs to be useful.

[Magnum P.P.]

Mar 29, 2023 18:32:14 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

I question the existence of the “numerous young people” Chalie claims to be corresponding with

I don't know it's totally within the realm of possibility that dude just hangs out outside of high schools

[johnny two cool]

Mar 29, 2023 19:56:11 GMT -5 Ass Dan said:

Why do you think the human brain can correctly perceive the true state of affairs? Many people are saying there’s no evolutionary reason for our perception to be accurate. It just needs to be useful.

1.) The sociological o-count / phenomenological description of truth is completely sufficient in almost all cases: To describe something as true is simply to claim that other epistemic agents ought to concur with your claim. That’s proven good enough to both (1) generate chains of inference that extend very far into the past beyond any one epistemic agent’s capacity and (2) justify a belief in the furtherance of chains of inference.

2.) “It’s true that all biological organisms systematically misperceive the world.” How do you evaluate the truth of that statement without automatically conceding that there are contestable claims about the actual state of affairs?

[johnny two cool]

Fuck I’m ruining the thread even worse than chalie now

[crookedwizard]

Mar 29, 2023 19:39:45 GMT -5 waste of space said:

Damn, you all are right about this Concealed Blade promo. I didn’t even really care much for their LP either—might have to revisit that. Between this and the Illiterates LP Pittsburgh is really on top of hardcore in 2023. Just need some new Loose Nukes.

Damn, that Illiterates LP is exactly what I want out of hardcore- thanks for mentioning it. 

[mikext]

Mar 29, 2023 19:39:45 GMT -5 waste of space said:

Damn, you all are right about this Concealed Blade promo. I didn’t even really care much for their LP either—might have to revisit that. Between this and the Illiterates LP Pittsburgh is really on top of hardcore in 2023. Just need some new Loose Nukes.

not sure if you've peeped this yet, but it also features dudes from concealed blade:

snarlingdogs.bandcamp.com/album/demo-2

[BlindJusticeIntoLastWarning]

Mar 29, 2023 19:39:45 GMT -5 waste of space said:

Damn, you all are right about this Concealed Blade promo. I didn’t even really care much for their LP either—might have to revisit that. Between this and the Illiterates LP Pittsburgh is really on top of hardcore in 2023. Just need some new Loose Nukes.

Illiterates & speed plans out of pitts are both great.

[nastyy]

Mar 29, 2023 21:28:18 GMT -5 mikext said:

Mar 29, 2023 19:39:45 GMT -5 waste of space said:

Damn, you all are right about this Concealed Blade promo. I didn’t even really care much for their LP either—might have to revisit that. Between this and the Illiterates LP Pittsburgh is really on top of hardcore in 2023. Just need some new Loose Nukes.

not sure if you've peeped this yet, but it also features dudes from concealed blade:

snarlingdogs.bandcamp.com/album/demo-2

this rocks

[johnny two cool]

Ideation demo really started to grow on me recently. Of that crop of Florida bands, I think they’re my favorite.

[𝖒𝖊𝖔𝖜𝖋𝖚𝖓𝖈𝖙𝖎𝖔𝖓]

yknow what i think all the big flatspot and triple b bands are cool. i think we're all old enough to think music videos that look good are red flags but i think that shits cheap now and its not like they're going on mtv or whatever. a lil hardcore/death metal show on a tuesday night in little rock almost pulled 100 people last night and that rocks. was it full of push moshers in slipknot shirts and baby punks? sure. but who cares. they showed up, paid their $12, bought merch, and wen't off. when i started going to shows here, it wouldn't be unusual to have the same 20 people or less. if turnstile being on the radio between godsmack and linkin park is responsible for it, then whatever idgaf. i can finally dive on people with ease. ive waited almost 20 years for this

and do you know how many hot girls are at shows now?? tons! this is good, and if it took hd scowl and turnstile videos and maggot stomp bands to get here then whatever i'm here for it

hardcore rocks in 2023 👍

[throwdemgunz]

[Ted Mujint]

Mar 29, 2023 20:13:14 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

Mar 29, 2023 19:56:11 GMT -5 Ass Dan said:

Why do you think the human brain can correctly perceive the true state of affairs? Many people are saying there’s no evolutionary reason for our perception to be accurate. It just needs to be useful.

1.) The sociological o-count / phenomenological description of truth is completely sufficient in almost all cases: To describe something as true is simply to claim that other epistemic agents ought to concur with your claim. That’s proven good enough to both (1) generate chains of inference that extend very far into the past beyond any one epistemic agent’s capacity and (2) justify a belief in the furtherance of chains of inference.

2.) “It’s true that all biological organisms systematically misperceive the world.” How do you evaluate the truth of that statement without automatically conceding that there are contestable claims about the actual state of affairs?

Aw, I like reading about metaphysics or whatever the hell you guys are talking about. Can't say I KNOW what the hell you're talking about, but I like reading it!

let me just say that regardless of what is the "true state of affairs" or what isn't, and if the brain can 100% accurately perceive it or not: It's a false dichotomy. Regardless of if you perceive things a little differently than others, we still all participate in some kind of common experience. Therefore, we should all work to make our various perspectives understood, and to understand as many perspectives of others as we can.

[Ass Dan]

Yeah but that common experience is filtered through social conditioning and ideology. I think to get to the bottom of this we need Chalie to explain what ideology he subscribes to. I’m betting he’s an epicurean.

[Ted Mujint]

Mar 30, 2023 1:58:19 GMT -5 𝖒𝖊𝖔𝖜𝖋𝖚𝖓𝖈𝖙𝖎𝖔𝖓 said:

yknow what i think all the big flatspot and triple b bands are cool. i think we're all old enough to think music videos that look good are red flags but i think that shits cheap now and its not like they're going on mtv or whatever. a lil hardcore/death metal show on a tuesday night in little rock almost pulled 100 people last night and that rocks. was it full of push moshers in slipknot shirts and baby punks? sure. but who cares. they showed up, paid their $12, bought merch, and wen't off. when i started going to shows here, it wouldn't be unusual to have the same 20 people or less. if turnstile being on the radio between godsmack and linkin park is responsible for it, then whatever idgaf. i can finally dive on people with ease. ive waited almost 20 years for this

and do you know how many hot girls are at shows now?? tons! this is good, and if it took hd scowl and turnstile videos and maggot stomp bands to get here then whatever i'm here for it

hardcore rocks in 2023 👍

I totally agree that it's been really good for the scene. But also, those of us who know what's really up should really still be critical of corporatism amidst our ranks. When I first started coming around, the old heads who took me under their wings would be like 'hey don't listen to trash talk, listen to crossed out' (or something - idk not a specific example). I never really felt judged for listening to entry level bands - but I always appreciated when someone showed me something cooler.

[RIP RIDE!!!]

is push moshing just slam dancing? kickboxing and "randomly" punching audience members is moshing in the current vernacular, right?

[Cloud chasing the Ben diagram]

Mar 29, 2023 18:19:36 GMT -5 giorgio merauder said:

wish there was money in posting

why aren’t you paid to post?

[Cloud chasing the Ben diagram]

Chemical Fix is so boring. I tried to like it but was a snoozer.

[johnny two cool]

Mar 30, 2023 6:44:36 GMT -5 Ass Dan said:

Yeah but that common experience is filtered through social conditioning and ideology. I think to get to the bottom of this we need Chalie to explain what ideology he subscribes to. I’m betting he’s an epicurean.

Man, are we talking about ideology or mind-independent reality (as in the natural world)? Cuz those are separate but related debates. Conceptually unaided pointing signifies nothing: You need SOME sort of model and that is a thoroughly social process (you can’t bootstrap a lifeworld). Moreover, you know whose living in a world devoid of social conditioning and ideology? Feral children lol

FUCK man you’re baiting me so well GOD DAMN IT

[feelthedorkness]

Mar 29, 2023 19:39:45 GMT -5 waste of space said:

Damn, you all are right about this Concealed Blade promo. I didn’t even really care much for their LP either—might have to revisit that. Between this and the Illiterates LP Pittsburgh is really on top of hardcore in 2023. Just need some new Loose Nukes.

The guitarist from Loose Nukes moved to NC, but the singer has a cool band Delco MFs that scratches that itch. 

[Deleted]

Push moshing is never ok. Leave that shit to the hell yeah brother heshers

[jimmyspudboy]

More crawling around on all fours in the pit.

[Ted Mujint]

Mar 30, 2023 9:50:31 GMT -5 jimmyspudboy said:

More crawling around on all fours in the pit.

one of the moves we invented at my first punk house was whenever anyone fell over, to just run at them at full speed so that the mass of bodies that were either toppled over underneath him or were trying to help him up would take out your legs and then you'd have all your homies do the same thing.

I love gettin drunk and doin stupid shit in the pit. moshers shouldn't take themselves seriously!

[johnny two cool]

Mar 30, 2023 10:12:23 GMT -5 Ted Mujint said:

Mar 30, 2023 9:50:31 GMT -5 jimmyspudboy said:

More crawling around on all fours in the pit.

one of the moves we invented at my first punk house was whenever anyone fell over, to just run at them at full speed so that the mass of bodies that were either toppled over underneath him or were trying to help him up would take out your legs and then you'd have all your homies do the same thing.

I love gettin drunk and doin stupid shit in the pit. moshers shouldn't take themselves seriously!

My friend used to do this thing where he’d goosestep across the room while punching himself in the forehead. Truly innovative.

[waste of space]

Mar 30, 2023 9:34:23 GMT -5 feelthedorkness said:

Mar 29, 2023 19:39:45 GMT -5 waste of space said:

Damn, you all are right about this Concealed Blade promo. I didn’t even really care much for their LP either—might have to revisit that. Between this and the Illiterates LP Pittsburgh is really on top of hardcore in 2023. Just need some new Loose Nukes.

The guitarist from Loose Nukes moved to NC, but the singer has a cool band Delco MFs that scratches that itch. 

Damn, didn't realize Loose Nukes was done. I had listened to Delco MFs but didn't know the connection.

[jaredfromsubway]

refractiveerrors.bandcamp.com/album/refractive-errors-demo-2023

Had no idea they released new stuff. Features members of Rolex. Narc and I's band are playing our first show with them.

[crobssssss]

Mar 30, 2023 10:47:55 GMT -5 waste of space said:

Mar 30, 2023 9:34:23 GMT -5 feelthedorkness said:

The guitarist from Loose Nukes moved to NC, but the singer has a cool band Delco MFs that scratches that itch. 

Damn, didn't realize Loose Nukes was done. I had listened to Delco MFs but didn't know the connection.

Delco mfs and hank wood are playing together, in nyc, in may. Couldn’t be more stoked.