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Post by Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate on Jun 18, 2024 10:26:52 GMT -5
NY has like zero green energy and were supposed to be the good ones! We suck tho and everyone knows it. The only good New Yorkers are the ones who yell at the people trying to kill themselves by laying on the track in front of a subway, screaming shit like “go kill yourself somewhere else asshole. I don’t have time for this, I gotta go to work.” Those New Yorkers are the heroes we don’t deserve
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Post by meatballmaniac on Jun 18, 2024 10:29:25 GMT -5
Also, narc, big lol about “green energy” investments. Come on, man. Don’t make me go all Will Stancil on your ass I don’t know who Will Pencil is, but ain’t no way tepid lib nibbling around the edges here and there is going to do fuck all about climate change. You’re aware of this. We will all burn or sink into the sea thanks to your precious Industrial Revolution. If that’s the trade-off for a few generations’ convenience, safety, modern medicine, etc., I’ll take the other side of the deal. Nothing we do here will change anything, of course, and I wish you the best.
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Post by Perm’d by God on Jun 18, 2024 10:32:59 GMT -5
The green energy investments are good but too little too late. Also Dems talk about carbon change being an existential threat but we can't buy solar panels or electric vehicles from China. We have to make worse more expensive versions at home. Yeah, I don’t know how I feel about that. I get the incentive to boost US manufacturing, but the sheer amount of stuff that is being mandated seems like it’s going to slow everything down and run costs up.
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Post by meatballmaniac on Jun 18, 2024 10:39:51 GMT -5
NY has like zero green energy and were supposed to be the good ones! you’re one of the good ones, Sofia
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Post by Perm’d by God on Jun 18, 2024 10:41:45 GMT -5
Don’t make me go all Will Stancil on your ass I don’t know who Will Pencil is, but ain’t no way tepid lib nibbling around the edges here and there is going to do fuck all about climate change. You’re aware of this. We will all burn or sink into the sea thanks to your precious Industrial Revolution. If that’s the trade-off for a few generations’ convenience, safety, modern medicine, etc., I’ll take the other side of the deal. Nothing we do here will change anything, of course, and I wish you the best. Subsistence farming and scrofula, what a time to be alive. I think taking concrete actions to reduce asthma rates is good, as far as climate change goes it’s long been too late. There is no realistic way to impede climate change on the schedule environmental activists want without destroying millions of jobs and severely regulating consumer behavior (restrict private vehicle ownership, ban the construction of new single family homes, restrict cattle ranching, get rid of owner-operator trucking, etc.).
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Post by meatballmaniac on Jun 18, 2024 11:03:14 GMT -5
I don’t know who Will Pencil is, but ain’t no way tepid lib nibbling around the edges here and there is going to do fuck all about climate change. You’re aware of this. We will all burn or sink into the sea thanks to your precious Industrial Revolution. If that’s the trade-off for a few generations’ convenience, safety, modern medicine, etc., I’ll take the other side of the deal. Nothing we do here will change anything, of course, and I wish you the best. Subsistence farming and scrofula, what a time to be alive. I think taking concrete actions to reduce asthma rates is good, as far as climate change goes it’s long been too late. There is no realistic way to impede climate change on the schedule environmental activists want without destroying millions of jobs and severely regulating consumer behavior (restrict private vehicle ownership, ban the construction of new single family homes, restrict cattle ranching, get rid of owner-operator trucking, etc.). ”schedule environmental activists want”?? Ha!
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Post by meatballmaniac on Jun 18, 2024 11:07:12 GMT -5
You are a very enjoyable and effective internet troll. Cheers!🍻
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Post by Sorley Boy on Jun 18, 2024 11:15:50 GMT -5
You know we're going to be scrambling to block the sun's rays or whatever in 15 years, Narc is right that the ship has sailed.
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Post by Perm’d by God on Jun 18, 2024 11:16:02 GMT -5
Subsistence farming and scrofula, what a time to be alive. I think taking concrete actions to reduce asthma rates is good, as far as climate change goes it’s long been too late. There is no realistic way to impede climate change on the schedule environmental activists want without destroying millions of jobs and severely regulating consumer behavior (restrict private vehicle ownership, ban the construction of new single family homes, restrict cattle ranching, get rid of owner-operator trucking, etc.). ”schedule environmental activists want”?? Ha! What other schedule am I supposed to refer to? That's the schedule I agree with, I just don't think it can be accomplished in a liberal democratic capitalist society. And, even if it could, there would be drastic consequences. Several industries would have to be nationalized and then basically liquidated. Or, at least the state would need to invest much more heavily in technologies that are not currently commercially, financially, and/or technically feasible. For example, to recuperate profit loss, several large logistics and supply chain companies would fast track automation (and those that cannot automate would likely be absorbed by larger companies). Organized labor would resist this, so the state would need to severely curtail workers rights to organize.
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Post by meatballmaniac on Jun 18, 2024 11:22:24 GMT -5
You know we're going to be scrambling to block the sun's rays or whatever in 15 years, Narc is right that the ship has sailed. My point is that the ship has sailed. And that Sleepy Joe’s environmental policies do not outweigh the 99% bad shit democrats do.
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Post by Perm’d by God on Jun 18, 2024 11:33:40 GMT -5
I don't know why it should be thought of as one outweighing the other. It's fine to say that ship has sailed and get all doomer about it. Fine, fuck everyone else because the world isn't the way you wish it was.
I think that it's good when the Washington Tribes win a court case regarding tire runoff killing their salmon (which would effectively end their way of life), which also benefits everyone in the state of Washington. I think it's good when the state of California, the federal government, and the union are able to secure investment in battery-electric rubber tired gantry cranes, because that concretely and measurably reduces asthma and cancer rates in an area with severe public health issues. Is there really a principled reason I shouldn't feel that way?
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Post by beautiful powerful poster 😌 on Jun 18, 2024 11:39:51 GMT -5
China is doing a good job
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Post by meatballmaniac on Jun 18, 2024 11:46:47 GMT -5
I don't know why it should be thought of as one outweighing the other. It's fine to say that ship has sailed and get all doomer about it. Fine, fuck everyone else because the world isn't the way you wish it was. I think that it's good when the Washington Tribes win a court case regarding tire runoff killing their salmon (which would effectively end their way of life), which also benefits everyone in the state of Washington. I think it's good when the state of California, the federal government, and the union are able to secure investment in battery-electric rubber tired gantry cranes, because that concretely and measurably reduces asthma and cancer rates in an area with severe public health issues. Is there really a principled reason I shouldn't feel that way? I will tell you how to feel
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Post by Sorley Boy on Jun 18, 2024 11:56:54 GMT -5
You know we're going to be scrambling to block the sun's rays or whatever in 15 years, Narc is right that the ship has sailed. My point is that the ship has sailed. And that Sleepy Joe’s environmental policies do not outweigh the 99% bad shit democrats do. Oh idk, I'm skimming.
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Post by beautiful powerful poster 😌 on Jun 18, 2024 12:00:26 GMT -5
glory to my homeland
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2024 12:01:12 GMT -5
glory to my homeland welcome azizim
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Post by Percussionist Foster Grant on Jun 18, 2024 12:01:51 GMT -5
I fully expect that within our lifetime we'll see refrigerated/air conditioned tunnels and walkways connecting cities/shopping/workplaces to avoid 135 degree heat. And the have-nots who can't afford a "tunnel pass" monthly fee (think FasTrak in the Bay Area) are just left to the elements.
Sorta like the thousands of homeless in Maricopa County cooking their brains in the heat while futuristic housing developments get built and the ground water runs out.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2024 12:04:14 GMT -5
Sorta like the thousands of homeless in Maricopa County cooking their brains in the heat while futuristic housing developments get built and the ground water runs out. was just out there and i was absolutely gobsmacked by the amount of housing developments out there. Phoenix is truly the world’s largest monument to man’s arrogance.
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Post by killedbyboard on Jun 18, 2024 12:10:20 GMT -5
You know what's crazy? How America completely transformed its economy and the economy of the entire world during World War II. Mass mobilization of the workforce toward the war effort. Mass mobilization of the scientific community towards manufacturing and synthetics breakthroughs like rubber and plastics that literally transformed the world and created the mega giant corporations we think of as immovable now. We'd need something on that scale now regarding climate change.
I truly think the solution to climate change hasn't even been thought of yet. The reason we think of it as impossible to fix is because the only reasonable solutions we can think of beyond mass mobilization have to do with incentivizing reduction or replacing our energy sources. That won't do anything to prevent or reverse what's already been done. That's why science is so pessimistic about it I think. Imagine if the world devoted all resources to solving the crisis. Won't happen, of course. I think Russia and China are positioning for a world in which the permafrost has thawed and the US is 50% frozen wasteland or ocean.
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Post by Ted Mujint on Jun 18, 2024 12:12:00 GMT -5
China is doing a good job Yeah but even people posting in this thread are so racist and stupidly addicted to propaganda that anything good China does for the world, these "free thinkers" force themselves to do the opposite.
We live in a global economy with a new economic system that is emerging as superior in every single aspect. Previously you could say that socialism was not as effective at building individual prosperity when it was whites doing it. Now it's working wonders because PoC are doing it.
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Post by Perm’d by God on Jun 18, 2024 12:12:10 GMT -5
urban heat islands are and will continue to be a serious problem. Increasing the urban tree canopy will be a decent mitigation. Still not enough green space in many cities (and when you look at the median income of the zipcode this becomes especially acute). There are, of course, some notable recent efforts at the federal level to address this, but they obviously do not matter.
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Post by Perm’d by God on Jun 18, 2024 12:18:08 GMT -5
Many countries around the world want to have tons of X China produces tons of X to sell America get big mad
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Post by beautiful powerful poster 😌 on Jun 18, 2024 12:19:16 GMT -5
I wish we were all Chinese then we would be free to talk about cool stuff like, “let’s post on board” and not “the world is ending all of the time”
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Post by anointed on Jun 18, 2024 12:20:13 GMT -5
this is how you’d post if you were black or chinese
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Post by Perm’d by God on Jun 18, 2024 12:22:40 GMT -5
Because many people have suffered and will suffer in the future because of lead paint and pipes no matter what, we should not make any effort to reduce the amount of lead in homes and infrastructure
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Post by hAloween h2o fan on Jun 18, 2024 12:23:46 GMT -5
This is the most powerful thing I've seen in a while. Really just says it all.
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Post by Mr. Dingle Foot on Jun 18, 2024 13:05:50 GMT -5
The green energy investments are good but too little too late. Also Dems talk about carbon change being an existential threat but we can't buy solar panels or electric vehicles from China. We have to make worse more expensive versions at home. It also blows my mind how solar is sold and marketed. What other massive home purchase is sold only door to door or on spam banner ads? Plus, so many solar companies fold and then you have potentially no one to maintain your panels if things don't work right, which happens all the time. It's a joke. This is so wild to watch from "abroad", especially having grown up in the Californian desert and solar panels are annoyingly expensive/Edison is fucked up company, etc. While here, in a land of no sun, I am about to install my own on our balcony (limited to 800w panels without registration) and they are sold at super markets here for around €400, with a €250 rebate from our city. Absolutely wild.
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Post by ITID on Jun 18, 2024 13:11:18 GMT -5
You know we're going to be scrambling to block the sun's rays or whatever in 15 years, Narc is right that the ship has sailed. We'll just dump a ton of molecules into the air that also happens to fill testes with more microplastics and keep on chugging. Humans are fantastic problem solvers
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Post by bonerinsweatpants on Jun 18, 2024 14:18:16 GMT -5
The green energy investments are good but too little too late. Also Dems talk about carbon change being an existential threat but we can't buy solar panels or electric vehicles from China. We have to make worse more expensive versions at home. It also blows my mind how solar is sold and marketed. What other massive home purchase is sold only door to door or on spam banner ads? Plus, so many solar companies fold and then you have potentially no one to maintain your panels if things don't work right, which happens all the time. It's a joke. Did you see PG&E is planning to screw over people in the Bay/Area FOH
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Post by Porch Honky on Jun 18, 2024 14:31:48 GMT -5
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