☭POLITICS☭: Election Season Hell

[johnny two cool]

Oct 15, 2024 22:35:47 GMT -5 Aaron said:

Narc, I put it in quotes because it’s a fairly constant criticism despite being outright bullshit in some ways, and a little more complicated and nuanced in others

Yeah but you know what I am

[solidsnake]

Oct 15, 2024 22:36:56 GMT -5 immortalrites said:

Oct 15, 2024 21:03:00 GMT -5 solidsnake said:

How about Gary Johnson in 2016 flubbing one question and that being the defining moment of his political career. Trump can’t answer a question, doesn’t matter the topic.

Yeah bro Gary Johnson's political career would be soaring sky high if only he knew what Aleppo was

SPOILER: Click to show

He had a pretty successful career all things considered. But the primary reference point will always be that. 

[FEMA Sniper]

David Duke endorsing Jill Stein and every terminally online dipshit "leftist" saying "he is really smart about Israel/Palestine" between this and the usage of "ZOG"..maybe western leftism is a mental illness.

[Percussionist Foster Grant]

I think there’s a rational stopping point with leftism where you can just kinda chill. As long as you don’t spend too much time over that point, it’s tolerable.

[FEMA Sniper]

I consider myself left wing but also pretty realistic and pragmatic about the system we currently live in. The problem the U.S. Left has is that it's been overrun by grifters and campists and social conservatives calling themselves "communists" and the purity tests that have seemingly fractured every org. Not to mention saying and doing extremely stupid shit that alienates people to your cause.

[AL 🎄✨🦌]

Oct 16, 2024 6:50:32 GMT -5 FEMA Sniper said:

I consider myself left wing but also pretty realistic and pragmatic about the system we currently live in. The problem the U.S. Left has is that it's been overrun by grifters and campists and social conservatives calling themselves "communists" and the purity tests that have seemingly fractured every org. Not to mention saying and doing extremely stupid shit that alienates people to your cause.

ya don't want to be that guy but we already know how social media has been used to influence past elections that it's not really a stretch to say this hardline for palestine is being utilized to undermine what would otherwise be a landslide

[FEMA Sniper]

I don't buy that really. It's important to a lot of people. It's wrong that the U.S. is aiding in it. I agree with Palestinian liberation. I don't think it's helpful to waive Hezbollah flags (who slaughtered plenty of Palestinian refugees in Syria) at rallies or repeat nazi talking points. It seems it's less about Palestine and more about ego, "owning the libs" and being the main character on social media. I think egotism and clout chasing on social media drive those posts.

[concealer]

Oct 16, 2024 7:21:24 GMT -5 FEMA Sniper said:

It seems it's less about Palestine and more about ego, "owning the libs" and being the main character on social media. I think egotism and clout chasing on social media drive those posts.

It’s this for sure. If you browse the comments briefly on AOC’s recent post attacking the Biden admin, calling for an arms embargo, calling it a genocide, it’s filled with comments of people saying too late or where were you before or this or that. And yeah I get the sentiment but if your goal is building a push to actually enact a ceasefire in reality and stop further deaths, then you need to swallow your pride and accept when a voice of power joins your “side”, regardless of how late it is. The purity tests don’t help dying Gazans tomorrow.

[Ted Mujint]

Oct 16, 2024 7:09:25 GMT -5 AL 🎄✨🦌 said:

Oct 16, 2024 6:50:32 GMT -5 FEMA Sniper said:

I consider myself left wing but also pretty realistic and pragmatic about the system we currently live in. The problem the U.S. Left has is that it's been overrun by grifters and campists and social conservatives calling themselves "communists" and the purity tests that have seemingly fractured every org. Not to mention saying and doing extremely stupid shit that alienates people to your cause.

ya don't want to be that guy but we already know how social media has been used to influence past elections that it's not really a stretch to say this hardline for palestine is being utilized to undermine what would otherwise be a landslide

Imagine having principles.

[AL 🎄✨🦌]

Oct 16, 2024 7:21:24 GMT -5 FEMA Sniper said:

I don't buy that really. It's important to a lot of people. It's wrong that the U.S. is aiding in it. I agree with Palestinian liberation. I don't think it's helpful to waive Hezbollah flags (who slaughtered plenty of Palestinian refugees in Syria) at rallies or repeat nazi talking points. It seems it's less about Palestine and more about ego, "owning the libs" and being the main character on social media. I think egotism and clout chasing on social media drive those posts.

it's a real movement for sure but just like blm it is not immune to grifters and people using it to push their own agenda. Like if it's the biggest thorn in the dems side why wouldn't they?

[throwdemgunz]

Oct 16, 2024 6:50:32 GMT -5 FEMA Sniper said:

I consider myself left wing but also pretty realistic and pragmatic about the system we currently live in. The problem the U.S. Left has is that it's been overrun by grifters and campists and social conservatives calling themselves "communists" and the purity tests that have seemingly fractured every org. Not to mention saying and doing extremely stupid shit that alienates people to your cause.

I wonder to what extent identity politics has stunted the growth of any left wing movement here. I’m willing to bet that there are plenty of people who would be sympathetic towards leftist politics but think they’re all blue haired non binary freaks or whatever. Im thinking about that one viral video of the DSA meeting that kept getting stalled because of people complaining about clapping being sensory overload.

[AL 🎄✨🦌]

Oct 16, 2024 7:53:03 GMT -5 Ted Mujint said:

Oct 16, 2024 7:09:25 GMT -5 AL 🎄✨🦌 said:

ya don't want to be that guy but we already know how social media has been used to influence past elections that it's not really a stretch to say this hardline for palestine is being utilized to undermine what would otherwise be a landslide

Imagine having principles.

imagine thinking your singular vote is so special that you must make a statement with it

[Percussionist Foster Grant]

Already notified a day after mailing it that my ballot signature looks different from the signature on file, so they’re reaching out to verify my identity next week.

This is the “system rife with fraud” republicans are so worried about.

[cfloyd3]

Oct 15, 2024 23:11:07 GMT -5 FEMA Sniper said:

David Duke endorsing Jill Stein and every terminally online dipshit "leftist" saying "he is really smart about Israel/Palestine" between this and the usage of "ZOG"..maybe western leftism is a mental illness.

western leftism is def a mental illness 

[Ted Mujint]

Oct 16, 2024 8:00:02 GMT -5 AL 🎄✨🦌 said:

Oct 16, 2024 7:53:03 GMT -5 Ted Mujint said:

Imagine having principles.

imagine thinking your singular vote is so special that you must make a statement with it

this is precisely the attitude that makes things the way they are. election season is the only time that people in this country care about politics, so voting third party is an important tactic in raising awareness to important issues. Besides that, this election should have been a referendum on the genocide. It would be the easiest hook, line, and sinker if Harris was willing to take a stance on it. Votes have to be earned, and if the Democrats are basically telling me and anyone else who is hardline on Palestine that we can all go fuck ourselves, then they don't need my vote. It's that simple.

[Ted Mujint]

Oct 16, 2024 8:38:19 GMT -5 cfloyd3 said:

Oct 15, 2024 23:11:07 GMT -5 FEMA Sniper said:

David Duke endorsing Jill Stein and every terminally online dipshit "leftist" saying "he is really smart about Israel/Palestine" between this and the usage of "ZOG"..maybe western leftism is a mental illness.

western leftism is def a mental illness 

Some real nazi shit right here lol

[Ted Mujint]

I s2g you guys just sound like a bunch of old farts complaining about Tik Tok and young people's fashion trends.

[AL 🎄✨🦌]

Oct 16, 2024 8:51:30 GMT -5 Ted Mujint said:

Oct 16, 2024 8:00:02 GMT -5 AL 🎄✨🦌 said:

imagine thinking your singular vote is so special that you must make a statement with it

this is precisely the attitude that makes things the way they are. election season is the only time that people in this country care about politics, so voting third party is an important tactic in raising awareness to important issues. 

you can also bet on a AAA baseball team to win the world series and aside from losing money, it'll have the same impact

Oct 16, 2024 8:51:30 GMT -5 Ted Mujint said:

Besides that, this election should have been a referendum on the genocide. It would be the easiest hook, line, and sinker if Harris was willing to take a stance on it. Votes have to be earned, and if the Democrats are basically telling me and anyone else who is hardline on Palestine that we can all go fuck ourselves, then they don't need my vote. It's that simple.

I would love that but the past year has proven that it's going to take more than a single presidential election to fix it.

[johnny two cool]

Abstaining from voting for the Dem nominee because of moral principles makes sense. It’s when people start talking about the consequences (as if they’re sticking it to the entire Democratic party as a whole and the party will learn to bend the knee, etc.) that it starts to become delusional.

[Sorley Boy]

Unless fringe leftism can compare numerically with center-right swing voterism you're not going to get much traction with Democrats.

[throwdemgunz]

The thing I can’t wrap my head around in regards to Biden/Harris is this: it seems to me that the main driver for this 3rd party push is Israel and Gaza, so why not just throw Netanyahu under the bus? You could still claim to be an ally of Israel and that you support their right to defend themself etc etc but correctly state that Bibi is sacrificing the hostages, is prolonging the war for his own gain etc. Feels like an easy way to not alienate pro Israel types but also demonstrate a modicum of awareness and compassion.

[Ass Dan]

You’d probably lose more votes than what you'd gain if you do that.

And I don't think it would achieve anything. If the US walks away from Netenyahu whats to stop him from strengthening ties with Russia and China. It would be naive to think they’d have moral objections to supplying Netenyahu with weapons and they only really support Iran because Iran is a thorn in our side.

[johnny two cool]

The Israel lobby has an insanely well-organized outreach program. My girlfriend wen't on a funded trip to Israel and she’s 0% Jewish. Palestinian organizations just straight up have nothing like that. They’ve got some DNC delegates and getting speaking time with some Democratic legislators (look at any congressional letter that a Palestinian organization sighned and you wont find a single Republican signature).

[JDS]

Politics is cooked.

[FEMA Sniper]

Oct 16, 2024 10:51:39 GMT -5 throwdemgunz said:

The thing I can’t wrap my head around in regards to Biden/Harris is this: it seems to me that the main driver for this 3rd party push is Israel and Gaza, so why not just throw Netanyahu under the bus? You could still claim to be an ally of Israel and that you support their right to defend themself etc etc but correctly state that Bibi is sacrificing the hostages, is prolonging the war for his own gain etc. Feels like an easy way to not alienate pro Israel types but also demonstrate a modicum of awareness and compassion.

Honestly I think because the alternative to Bibi might be worse believe it or not.

[solidsnake]

I’m not a leftist in terms of policy desires or I’d say even temperament. I didn’t want Bernie to ever get the nom. But I’d be voting for that man like a motherfucker if that’s the option. I think if leftists matter enough on the margins this year to tip the scales, Dems don’t then say “here’s your seat at the table.” I think they moderate even more cuz there’s a lot more vote share in that direction and those people are more easily catered to and appeased. From a mainstream dem perspective, I think they assume too many leftists will just keep changing the goal posts because they’re tantrum-addicted and aren’t likely to play ball.

[johnny two cool]

Step 1: Kamala declares that there's a genocide in Gaza
Step 2: "it's a BLOOD LIBEL folks. it's very nasty what she's saying. Jewish Hitler -- can you believe this? It's horrible what they're doing. BLOOD LIBEL. They hate the Jews and frankly they always have and you vote for them and they hate you, they really do."

[solidsnake]

Oct 16, 2024 11:12:13 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

Step 1: Kamala declares that there's a genocide in Gaza
Step 2: "it's a BLOOD LIBEL folks. it's very nasty what she's saying. Jewish Hitler -- can you believe this? It's horrible what they're doing. BLOOD LIBEL. They hate the Jews and frankly they always have and you vote for them and they hate you, they really do."

It doesn’t help that the waters are so muddied by overt antisemitism on the left. Definitely an issue that isn’t helped by smartphones. Too many tweets, too many videos of college kids acting awful. It’s interesting that a lot of people thought, somewhat recently, that Bibi ends up in prison eventually. Here’s hoping, but maybe he’ll be dead of old age before this is over. 

[AL 🎄✨🦌]

As a side note I wish I could feel half the enthusiasm third party voters feel when their candidate gets .02% of the vote

[johnny two cool]

As a side note I wish I could feel half the enthusiasm third party voters feel when their candidate declares their intention to do something they will absolutely not do. Got your third party candidates with very lofty goals about zero emissions this and that and housing for everyone with literally no one in the campaign with a clue of how to go about that. Oh, you're going to ban blackrock? Wow, I'm thrilled to see the absolutely negligible effect that will have on anything.