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Post by pbcookies on Oct 17, 2019 23:49:35 GMT -5
but ayy, fuggedaboudit
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Post by Ian MacFlai on Oct 18, 2019 1:43:26 GMT -5
I'm talking about the Tyson Fury looking Irish and UK travellers. I understand the history (somewhat) and they aren't related genetically to the Romani. Also, what about white Hispanics? They can't be victims of racism? As a white Hispanic, i would say no. Yeah my white friends in elementary school were mean about it, but when i walk down the street there's no way somebody would call ICE on me or even make an off color joke. We are white-skinned people and therefore have no major problems existing in the US White Empire in 2019. That makes me extra sensitivite about the way others are treated.
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Post by roofies on Oct 18, 2019 2:08:31 GMT -5
The current framework of "POCs" vs "white people" just underlines how insanely bad and imprecise the concept of racial categories is, and inevitably leads to a ton of confusing catch-22s We've discussed this before. One group in one box, and the other in the other box. You cant be racist against white people, but you can be a bigot. As if one is morally better just based on a notion of a "power" dynamic. Or the insane belief that ALL white people benefit from systemic racism, and all POC's are just poor unable pawns who must be rescued and given power. Power, power, power. Why is it all about power? Is that all there is to life? There just so much deeper things to think about and talk about than just accepting a dogmatic belief system that only really applies if you carry a certain fringe political ideals. Yes systemic racism exists. But to just think your skin color automatically makes you complicit or not in that system, or your political beliefs are all there is to an individual, just doesnt sit right with me and never will.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 7:52:09 GMT -5
Go to bed, Toby.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 7:56:56 GMT -5
Hillbillies off limits yet? Absolutely not. Joe Bob Briggs does a spoken word show called "how rednecks saved hollywood," and it's basically a satire and history lesson explaining the origin of rednecks and how they're the only 'ethnic' group you can make fun of.
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Post by Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate on Oct 18, 2019 9:06:46 GMT -5
The current framework of "POCs" vs "white people" just underlines how insanely bad and imprecise the concept of racial categories is, and inevitably leads to a ton of confusing catch-22s We've discussed this before. One group in one box, and the other in the other box. You cant be racist against white people, but you can be a bigot. As if one is morally better just based on a notion of a "power" dynamic. Or the insane belief that ALL white people benefit from systemic racism, and all POC's are just poor unable pawns who must be rescued and given power. Power, power, power. Why is it all about power? Is that all there is to life? There just so much deeper things to think about and talk about than just accepting a dogmatic belief system that only really applies if you carry a certain fringe political ideals. Yes systemic racism exists. But to just think your skin color automatically makes you complicit or not in that system, or your political beliefs are all there is to an individual, just doesnt sit right with me and never will. The idea that we can repair the system is, to me, as silly as the notion that we can just make capitalism more fair. Not that we shouldn’t try, but as a stupid white person that both needs to listen to POC about how to fix things, and also figure out how to fix things on my own because it’s not POCs responsibility, I can’t help but feel that the whole thing is missing the point. Same with the anti colonial shit. Yes, we should just give these people back their land and fuck off, but that isn’t gonna happen and trying to make things right with money and apologies doesn’t fix shit except make people feel good.
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Post by theywalkedinline on Oct 18, 2019 9:08:12 GMT -5
I'm talking about the Tyson Fury looking Irish and UK travellers. I understand the history (somewhat) and they aren't related genetically to the Romani. Also, what about white Hispanics? They can't be victims of racism? As a white Hispanic, i would say no. Yeah my white friends in elementary school were mean about it, but when i walk down the street there's no way somebody would call ICE on me or even make an off color joke. We are white-skinned people and therefore have no major problems existing in the US White Empire in 2019. That makes me extra sensitivite about the way others are treated. What about job or loan applications when they cannot see your face and are going by name alone?
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Post by theywalkedinline on Oct 18, 2019 9:12:07 GMT -5
One of the most marginalized groups of people in America is those that suffer from mental illness. They come in all shades and ethnicities.
There is so much more to marginalization than the social construct of "race" that we have locked ourselves into.
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Post by flyingwhales on Oct 18, 2019 9:19:20 GMT -5
Anyone see Trump's comments on James Mattis? Or Mattis' response? That dude is worshipped by marines and I assume the rest of the armed forces. Seems pretty stupid for Trump to trash that guy. I'm curious what percent of soldiers are now dropping support for trump because cadet bone spurs thinks mad dog mattis is an "overrated general"
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Post by paulkersey on Oct 18, 2019 9:21:15 GMT -5
Lol, ok. So then get back to me when you can show me white people struggling with mental illness compared to Black people and other POCs with mental illness, and tell me who is more represented in the prison system.
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Post by theywalkedinline on Oct 18, 2019 9:28:35 GMT -5
Lol, ok. So then get back to me when you can show me white people struggling with mental illness compared to Black people and other POCs with mental illness, and tell me who is more represented in the prison system. Glad mental illness is hilarious to you. It's not a competition. We can acknowledge that overall POC have a harder time accessing mental health treatment while still acknowledging that the system fails those with mental illness across the board (especially those in or near poverty).
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Post by theywalkedinline on Oct 18, 2019 9:33:07 GMT -5
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Post by Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate on Oct 18, 2019 9:36:16 GMT -5
Lol, ok. So then get back to me when you can show me white people struggling with mental illness compared to Black people and other POCs with mental illness, and tell me who is more represented in the prison system. It’s pretty even man. The numbers for those getting help obviously are skewed to whites, but as far as those actually suffering from mental illness it’s basically even. Mental illness doesn’t give a shit about skin color. www.nami.org/Learn-More/Mental-Health-By-the-Numberswww.kff.org/other/state-indicator/poor-mental-health-by-re/Not that I’m challenging you, just sayin. I’d be curious to see the numbers within the prison system adjusted for for population. My girl works at one of the largest mental health community residence programs in the country and I just asked her if there’s a disparity in her program. She said it’s pretty equal. Granted, she’s dealing with patients with severe mental illness, not run of the mill anxiety and depression like everyone experiences at some point.
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Post by Pat on Oct 18, 2019 9:40:57 GMT -5
I'm assuming everyone read that in this voice:
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Post by paulkersey on Oct 18, 2019 10:16:40 GMT -5
Yeah, neither one of you are listening to what I'm saying. And dont try getting on a high horse with me. WHERE DID I SAY that different races dont suffer equally from mental illness? Wasnt my point.
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Post by paulkersey on Oct 18, 2019 10:17:53 GMT -5
Lol, ok. So then get back to me when you can show me white people struggling with mental illness compared to Black people and other POCs with mental illness, and tell me who is more represented in the prison system. In case you need help reading
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Post by mazzario on Oct 18, 2019 10:35:46 GMT -5
As a white Hispanic, i would say no. Yeah my white friends in elementary school were mean about it, but when i walk down the street there's no way somebody would call ICE on me or even make an off color joke. We are white-skinned people and therefore have no major problems existing in the US White Empire in 2019. That makes me extra sensitivite about the way others are treated. What about job or loan applications when they cannot see your face and are going by name alone? i've never had an issue.
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Post by theywalkedinline on Oct 18, 2019 10:36:36 GMT -5
Yeah, neither one of you are listening to what I'm saying. And dont try getting on a high horse with me. WHERE DID I SAY that different races dont suffer equally from mental illness? Wasnt my point. That wasn't my point either, dip shit. Are you able to walk and chew gum at the same time? I was talking about access to treatment, you're going off on your own little stupid tangent.
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Post by theywalkedinline on Oct 18, 2019 10:41:44 GMT -5
Sorry. Instead of calling you a "dip shit", I should have sprinkled my argument with "lols" and typed in a giant font.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 10:49:32 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 10:49:38 GMT -5
Yeah with all due respect, I think Paulkersey is having a way different conversation than y'all.
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Post by theywalkedinline on Oct 18, 2019 10:58:03 GMT -5
Agreed. No one is saying that minorities with mental illness aren't overrepresented in the prison system. My point was that as a whole people with mental illness are frequently forgotten about when we talk about groups that are marginalized. No one is saying that these groups cannot overlap, they often do, as do other groups of marginalized people. These problems need to be addressed on micro and macro levels. Similar to how we need to support gay and trans rights, but also need to understand that racism also exists within those communities.
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Post by lobsterdog on Oct 18, 2019 10:58:08 GMT -5
Where's our UK correspondent May
What's going on with Brexit now? I can't understand this whacky country
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Post by DAYMAN on Oct 18, 2019 10:59:42 GMT -5
Where's our UK correspondent May What's going on with Brexit now? I can't understand this whacky country Visiting the U.S., actually.
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Post by Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate on Oct 18, 2019 11:23:24 GMT -5
Lol, ok. So then get back to me when you can show me white people struggling with mental illness compared to Black people and other POCs with mental illness, and tell me who is more represented in the prison system. You’ve posed a request and a question. I answered both. Given the statistics presented its reasonable to assume that statistics outside of prison carry over inside prison when adjusted for population differences. If you’re trying to make a point, I have no idea what it is.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 11:24:19 GMT -5
Saw some headlines about Mark Zuckerberg's lame speech.
Imagine being dumb enough to think free speech is some real thing.
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Post by anointed on Oct 18, 2019 11:31:04 GMT -5
I'm a Jew but I have white skin. Where do I fit into all of this?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 11:31:31 GMT -5
I'm a Jew but I have white skin. Where do I fit into all of this? you're making the nazis heads spin bro
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 11:35:16 GMT -5
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Post by Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate on Oct 18, 2019 11:46:28 GMT -5
Saw some headlines about Mark Zuckerberg's lame speech. Imagine being dumb enough to think free speech is some real thing. “What use is freedom of speech if no one is listening” is one of my favorite anecdotes from citizens regarding the fall of the ddr.
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