☭POLITICS☭: Election Season Hell

[Percussionist Foster Grant]

Dec 3, 2022 9:45:30 GMT -5 @jamesk said:

The right’s obsession with Hunter Biden is straight bizarre. Like who cares? He’s a fail son and he’s clearly a fucked up soul and if he was a little poorer he certainly would have gotten hit with a hot dose of fentanyl by now.

This. I don't understand the fixation, and it speaks volumes about just how little ammo the GOP has while the literal sky is falling around them and their party.

In an alternate timeline George W. keeps the party going after college, winds up like Hunter Biden and the GOP embraces him and his "shortcomings" for political gain.

[pbcookies]

Weirdly I think the Hunter Biden bullshit is an example of a great strength the right has: they just pick something and go with it, all work together and hammer away at it, from politicians and tv talking heads to individual voters and townie loudmouths.

We can only dream of that kind of cohesion on the left

[amplifiedohms]

"There is no way the trucking industry can replace all the rail freight. We appreciate Congress stepping up and ensuring that the nation’s wheels — be they steel or rubber — keep moving.”

This is the heart of what i was getting at on the last page. If the Teamsters or longshoremen backed the rail workers by threatening to strike, this wouldve been over before it started. Yall bitching about the democrats and im over here fuming at how fucking useless the AFL is. My old union (Sheet Metal, Air, Rail & Transportation-SMART) is one of the 4 that threatened strike action, but the union is divided by industry. Im waiting to hear back from some of my buddies but ill bet my annuity that the other branches of SMART werent about to strike with them. Solidarity brothers & sisters... its not just a catchy slogan.

[Pat]

Dec 3, 2022 12:52:48 GMT -5 pbcookies said:

We can only dream of that kind of cohesion on the left

You can't build a coalition from a group of people that all believe that their deal actually matters

[pbcookies]

Dec 3, 2022 13:04:56 GMT -5 Pat said:

Dec 3, 2022 12:52:48 GMT -5 pbcookies said:

We can only dream of that kind of cohesion on the left

You can't build a coalition from a group of people that all believe that their deal actually matters

I don't know about "can't", it does happen more often than not

But I do think sometimes if we didn't have to argue about how "Latinx" makes us feel and similar nonsense, maybe poor people could go to a doctor occasionally

[Deleted]

Yes, kill the liberals

[johnny two cool]

Some of you guys should try reading books or something.

[johnny two cool]

Millennials going on about identity politics n annoying new words is basically the same thing as boomers prattling on about term limits: It’s a good indication that they have no idea what they’re talking about

[MMST3K]

The only time narc ever opened and shut a book was to alleviate a rather embarrassing case of gonorrhea.

[johnny two cool]

Dec 3, 2022 13:51:56 GMT -5 MMST3K said:

The only time narc ever opened and shut a book was to alleviate a rather embarrassing case of gonorrhea.

(Trying to use language you understand because your reading comprehension is so consistently awful that it’s making me wonder if maybe Derrida was right.)

[pbcookies]

Dec 3, 2022 13:48:20 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

Millennials going on about identity politics n annoying new words is basically the same thing as boomers prattling on about term limits: It’s a good indication that they have no idea what they’re talking about

I gave no indicator as to my apinion about "Latinx", my point was it's a distracting cultural wedge non-issue

[MMST3K]

Dec 3, 2022 13:55:08 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

Dec 3, 2022 13:51:56 GMT -5 MMST3K said:

The only time narc ever opened and shut a book was to alleviate a rather embarrassing case of gonorrhea.

(Trying to use language you understand because your reading comprehension is so consistently awful that it’s making me wonder if maybe Derrida was right.)

Perhaps but what I do know is you are a world class punching bag and I find it hard to resist.

[MMST3K]

I don't think it's my reading comprehension so much as my attention span, I skim, and I could take more time to think about it. I had a psychologist tell me my reading comprehension was good but nobody ever believes me when I tell them that.

[johnny two cool]

Dec 3, 2022 13:57:57 GMT -5 pbcookies said:

Dec 3, 2022 13:48:20 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

Millennials going on about identity politics n annoying new words is basically the same thing as boomers prattling on about term limits: It’s a good indication that they have no idea what they’re talking about

I gave no indicator as to my apinion about "Latinx", my point was it's a distracting cultural wedge non-issue

who is talking about it? Like, who in the world of doing anything productive at all is talking about it? The phenomenon that’s jamming the gears is a some amalgamation of “distracting cultural wedge non-issues”?

That doesn’t make any sense.

[johnny two cool]

Dec 3, 2022 14:07:14 GMT -5 MMST3K said:

I don't think it's my reading comprehension so much as my attention span, I skim, and I could take more time to think about it. I had a psychologist tell me my reading comprehension was good but nobody ever believes me when I tell them that.

Apparently, your ability to understand spoken words is similarly deficient.

[Bussy Drippens]

I had a doctor tell me my penis was medically large but nobody believes me when I tell them that

[MMST3K]

Dec 3, 2022 14:10:58 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

Dec 3, 2022 14:07:14 GMT -5 MMST3K said:

I don't think it's my reading comprehension so much as my attention span, I skim, and I could take more time to think about it. I had a psychologist tell me my reading comprehension was good but nobody ever believes me when I tell them that.

Apparently, your ability to understand spoken words is similarly deficient.

I don't think either is deficient just at times impaired by my issues.

[itii]

Dec 3, 2022 14:11:35 GMT -5 Bussy Drippens said:

I had a doctor tell me my penis was medically large but nobody believes me when I tell them that

I believe you

[MMST3K]

Dec 3, 2022 14:11:35 GMT -5 Bussy Drippens said:

I had a doctor tell me my penis was medically large but nobody believes me when I tell them that

If the Bussy Drippens.

[pbcookies]

Dec 3, 2022 14:10:10 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

Dec 3, 2022 13:57:57 GMT -5 pbcookies said:

I gave no indicator as to my apinion about "Latinx", my point was it's a distracting cultural wedge non-issue

who is talking about it? Like, who in the world of doing anything productive at all is talking about it? The phenomenon that’s jamming the gears is a some amalgamation of “distracting cultural wedge non-issues”?

That doesn’t make any sense.

In many cases, yes, the things that keep people voting against their own self-interests in this country are culture war topics that create cultural divides.

[pbcookies]

www.politico.com/news/2021/12/06/hispanic-voters-latinx-term-523776

More problematic for Democrats: 40 percent said Latinx bothers or offends them to some degree and 30 percent said they would be less likely to support a politician or organization that uses the term.

[Deleted]

The Vice President going to LatAm and telling them not to come to America is probably a problem for the democrats with the Latinx community.

[theonefreeman]

Dec 3, 2022 14:58:50 GMT -5 itii said:

Dec 3, 2022 14:11:35 GMT -5 Bussy Drippens said:

I had a doctor tell me my penis was medically large but nobody believes me when I tell them that

I believe you

I want to believe.

[johnny two cool]

Dec 3, 2022 16:20:43 GMT -5 pbcookies said:

Dec 3, 2022 14:10:10 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

who is talking about it? Like, who in the world of doing anything productive at all is talking about it? The phenomenon that’s jamming the gears is a some amalgamation of “distracting cultural wedge non-issues”?

That doesn’t make any sense.

In many cases, yes, the things that keep people voting against their own self-interests in this country are culture war topics that create cultural divides.

Well, I don't know, I just really don't see the connection or I'm just completely misunderstanding what you're saying. I don't think something like the intense debate over the provision of gender neutral bathrooms is a primary impetus to mobilizing broad public support for universal single-payer healthcare.

[burp]

trying to combat social, political and cultural hierarchies is perfectly good and also extremely based, especially when many of those are manifested and/or reflected in things like basic language, and I'm certainly in favour of an "any little bit helps" approach, but I can't help but feel it's a bit of smoke in mirrors in the face of the main driver for those hierarchies which is the deeply entrenched conservative status quo. People are getting hung up on one tiny tendril of that entrenched ideology all while its entire fatass body is smothering the planet. 

[johnny two cool]

1.) Like, I've edited pilot program materials that use the word "latinx" instead of "latino" or "latino/a" or whatever, and it had no effect on the ability to secure federal funding for a workforce development program. It doesn't determine whether the program functions well or not. There are particular instances in which particular words or rhetorical styles should be avoided (such as Tribal organizations dislike of the word "equity"), but it's not decisive. 

2.) Asking pointed survey questions about stuff like this produces extremely misleading results. It's a pumped survey question. Anyone who has ever conducted or evaluated surveys that are actually intended to gauge public apinion for ethical research purposes can see right through that bullshit. For what reason would some group have an interest in conducting a pumped survey like that? Like, just think about the motivation for that for five seconds.

[pbcookies]

Dec 3, 2022 16:32:30 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

Dec 3, 2022 16:20:43 GMT -5 pbcookies said:

In many cases, yes, the things that keep people voting against their own self-interests in this country are culture war topics that create cultural divides.

Well, I don't know, I just really don't see the connection or I'm just completely misunderstanding what you're saying. I don't think something like the intense debate over the provision of gender neutral bathrooms is a primary impetus to mobilizing broad public support for universal single-payer healthcare.

You don't think somebody voting Republican because of some culture war garbage makes implementation of progressive policy less likely?

[MMST3K]

Latinx sounds like the name of a super popular night club.

[johnny two cool]

Dec 3, 2022 16:46:26 GMT -5 pbcookies said:

Dec 3, 2022 16:32:30 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

Well, I don't know, I just really don't see the connection or I'm just completely misunderstanding what you're saying. I don't think something like the intense debate over the provision of gender neutral bathrooms is a primary impetus to mobilizing broad public support for universal single-payer healthcare.

You don't think somebody voting Republican because of some culture war garbage makes implementation of progressive policy less likely?

If it has this much sway over the outcome of progressive policy proposals, then it doesn't seem like culture war garbage at all. It seems like it is what people do in fact really care about, or at least is an effective way of symbolizing what people really care about. I don’t understand how something can be a distracting cultural wedge issue and simultaneously manage to wield determinative power over the fate of public policy. It's one or the other.

It, of course, does not have that sort of power. However, pumping it up as if it does is a powerful right wing propaganda tactic which you're falling for. 

[pbcookies]

Look man, I've basically done you a favor by engaging with you once, so I've already done my good deed for the day.