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Post by anointed on Oct 12, 2023 18:09:31 GMT -5
my point is Afghanistan is an entirely different situation in most ways from Israel/Palestine america had control of afghanistan before leaving, and taliban gained total control soon thereafter. how's that going? hypothetically speaking, if israel leaves the region then it's completely unlikely that hamas will just cease to exist, as james theorized. |
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Post by johnny two cool on Oct 12, 2023 18:10:06 GMT -5
Indeed, as james theorized
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Post by pbcookies on Oct 12, 2023 18:14:43 GMT -5
my point is Afghanistan is an entirely different situation in most ways from Israel/Palestine america had control of afghanistan before leaving, and taliban gained total control soon thereafter. how's that going? hypothetically speaking, if israel leaves the region then it's completely unlikely that hamas will just cease to exist, as james theorized. I agree it's unlikely Hamas would all of a sudden disappear if Israel magically packed up the car and left town, but I don't think that's the QED you think it is |
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Post by Cholo Molester on Oct 12, 2023 18:23:28 GMT -5
Israel ain't going no where
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Post by anointed on Oct 12, 2023 18:25:15 GMT -5
america had control of afghanistan before leaving, and taliban gained total control soon thereafter. how's that going? hypothetically speaking, if israel leaves the region then it's completely unlikely that hamas will just cease to exist, as james theorized. I agree it's unlikely Hamas would all of a sudden disappear if Israel magically packed up the car and left town, but I don't think that's the QED you think it is for starters they're both religious militant groups that look to provide services in the absence of alternative government provision. furthermore both the taliban and hamas engage in gratuitous violence against opposition, increasing incentive compatibility of loyalty. you don't see any other similarities? i could outline some more for you if you'd like. |
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Post by Ronaldo Artest on Oct 12, 2023 18:26:03 GMT -5
Israel ain't going no where that's a bummer |
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Post by burp on Oct 12, 2023 18:26:46 GMT -5
Israel can sunk my dink and Hamas can gargle the ball's
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Post by pbcookies on Oct 12, 2023 18:33:09 GMT -5
I agree it's unlikely Hamas would all of a sudden disappear if Israel magically packed up the car and left town, but I don't think that's the QED you think it is for starters they're both religious militant groups that look to provide services in the absence of alternative government provision. furthermore both the taliban and hamas engage in gratuitous violence against opposition, increasing incentive compatibility of loyalty. you don't see any other similarities? i could outline some more for you if you'd like. I am not disputing that they are both islamist groups You, though, are ignoring the differing reasons why those groups came to be, the historical context in which they've existed, and about a hundred other things, not least of which is the *entirely* different circumstances by which the Palestinians/Afghans came to be occupied by the Israelis/Americans (both bad, but extremely different). But that's fine |
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Post by pbcookies on Oct 12, 2023 18:37:32 GMT -5
can't believe I'm doing this, real 2018 ass posting
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Post by johnny two cool on Oct 12, 2023 18:38:44 GMT -5
I agree it's unlikely Hamas would all of a sudden disappear if Israel magically packed up the car and left town, but I don't think that's the QED you think it is groups that look to provide services in the absence of alternative government provision. We call those state-like non-state actors in the biz. |
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Post by AL 🎄✨🦌 on Oct 12, 2023 18:44:58 GMT -5
Fuck up some Hamas, let's fuck up some Hamas, yeah
Let's fuck up some Hamas, let's fuck up some Hamas, yeah
Forty thou' to a hunned thou'
A hunned thou' 'nother hunned thou'
Three hunned thou', five hunned thou'
A milli y'all let's have a money drippini
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Post by anointed on Oct 12, 2023 18:46:41 GMT -5
for starters they're both religious militant groups that look to provide services in the absence of alternative government provision. furthermore both the taliban and hamas engage in gratuitous violence against opposition, increasing incentive compatibility of loyalty. you don't see any other similarities? i could outline some more for you if you'd like. I am not disputing that they are both islamist groups You, though, are ignoring the differing reasons why those groups came to be, the historical context in which they've existed, and about a hundred other things, not least of which is the *entirely* different circumstances by which the Palestinians/Afghans came to be occupied by the Israelis/Americans (both bad, but extremely different). But that's fine there's obviously distinctions, be it their geographical and theological origins, they nevertheless share several key functional characteristics which suggests their behavior parallel. |
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Post by johnny two cool on Oct 12, 2023 18:51:31 GMT -5
You see, what all islamist political organizations have in common is, indeed, their islamism. Many such cases!
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Post by anointed on Oct 12, 2023 19:04:11 GMT -5
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Post by johnny two cool on Oct 12, 2023 19:25:18 GMT -5
I dunno man you sound like a guy with that peculiar sense of authority that comes from taking a lot of adderall
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Post by anointed on Oct 12, 2023 19:27:38 GMT -5
never touched the stuff
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Post by boundforgloryhole on Oct 12, 2023 20:07:10 GMT -5
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Post by Cholo Molester on Oct 12, 2023 20:27:00 GMT -5
board's resident nsbm stan also has adamant support for Israel
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Post by anointed on Oct 12, 2023 21:22:51 GMT -5
ackshually lilpat is the resident nsbm stan
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Post by Cholo Molester on Oct 12, 2023 22:30:38 GMT -5
Every time Israel blows up a Palestinian child, anointed hangs up a new totenkompf in his apartment.
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Post by anointed on Oct 12, 2023 22:53:33 GMT -5
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in case you haven't been following this thread over the past few days, i haven't said a single thing disparaging palestinian people. why would i? my beef is with hamas and i want palestinians to be free. lastly, my family died in concentration camps, jerk off.
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Post by boundforgloryhole on Oct 12, 2023 23:37:29 GMT -5
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Post by cowboydan on Oct 13, 2023 3:21:27 GMT -5
Hamas literally started as a reaction to Israel occupation, racism, and brutalization. What else do you expect to happen when you strip people of their rights and human dignity. Being subjected to unfathomably bleak conditions for decades with little hope for improvement would lead to anybody to desperation.
There are still movements of honest Jews that are non-Zionist. Heck, even the ultra-Orthodox Haredi Jews say that the State of Israel is illegitimate and immoral. They want absolutely nothing to do with its wars, and have protested against mandatory constriptions
That being said, Zionist Jews living over there are extremely racist and xenophobic. They spit on Christians, the same as they do to Muslims
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Post by conditioner on Oct 13, 2023 3:46:59 GMT -5
Israel is a terror state
Edit- …And labeling anyone who opposes the systemic racism and genocidal politics of Israel an antisemite is the world’s #1 bitch move
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Post by burp on Oct 13, 2023 4:32:13 GMT -5
ehh the Haredim perspective is strange, they are basically anti-state, (or at least anti *secular* state) hence their views on Zionism. They basically just don't participate in any state apparatus, though they do benefit from its existence. I don't really think they're approaching it from "Israel is illegally occupying land as a result of decades of foreign involvement propping up a power in the area after a massive power vacuum and should not exist, and has a decades long history of violence against civilian etc" or any such criticism but more "Israel as a nation and all the secular elements that accompany it are heretical".
But hey, at least many of them refuse service in the IDF so that's cool
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Post by theywalkedinline on Oct 13, 2023 6:46:27 GMT -5
That may be why Hamas started but they were then funded by Israel as an alternative to the PLO. A left-wing secular party was more threatening to Netanyahu.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2023 8:25:35 GMT -5
Lmfao my mom woke me up this morning calling me saying to work from home bc they declared a global jihad. i was like did they announce 9/11 beforehand and hung up and wen't back to bed
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2023 8:30:26 GMT -5
Bro if social media made everyone so smooth brained that I have to go through Islamic panic AGAIN I will lose my fucking shit (or get sent to Gitmo this time).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2023 8:37:43 GMT -5
Lmfao my mom woke me up this morning calling me saying to work from home bc they declared a global jihad. i was like did they announce 9/11 beforehand and hung up and wen't back to bed omfg |
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