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Post by ITID on Nov 9, 2023 0:47:11 GMT -5
The pro-life voters have not been reliably Republican for all time. Data?
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Post by killedbyboard on Nov 9, 2023 0:50:31 GMT -5
abortion/reproductive rights is probably bottom tier issue for voters across party lines This is not true at all.
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Post by anointed on Nov 9, 2023 0:52:02 GMT -5
abortion/reproductive rights is probably bottom tier issue for voters across party lines This is not true at all. i haven't looked at the recent polling but i'll bet trans rights are more of a hot button issue than abortion/reproductive rights
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Post by killedbyboard on Nov 9, 2023 0:54:39 GMT -5
i haven't looked at the recent polling but i'll bet trans rights are more of a hot button issue than abortion/reproductive rights You mean in terms of motivating people to vote, or vote for a specific party? Abortion is and has been a major motivator for voters. The "trans" issue is too amorphous to be a motivator for people. Rank and file voters don't know jack shit about the contours of the issue or what it would mean.
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Post by anointed on Nov 9, 2023 0:58:24 GMT -5
i haven't looked at the recent polling but i'll bet trans rights are more of a hot button issue than abortion/reproductive rights You mean in terms of motivating people to vote, or vote for a specific party? Abortion is and has been a major motivator for voters. The "trans" issue is too amorphous to be a motivator for people. Rank and file voters don't know jack shit about the contours of the issue or what it would mean. let's just look at trump, who will likely be the GOP nominee; barring any efforts from dems to have him disqualified. he's played both lines on the abortion issue and republican voters will still line up and take a bullet for him.
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Post by killedbyboard on Nov 9, 2023 1:09:31 GMT -5
You mean in terms of motivating people to vote, or vote for a specific party? Abortion is and has been a major motivator for voters. The "trans" issue is too amorphous to be a motivator for people. Rank and file voters don't know jack shit about the contours of the issue or what it would mean. let's just look at trump, who will likely be the GOP nominee; barring any efforts from dems to have him disqualified. he's played both lines on the abortion issue and republican voters will still line up and take a bullet for him. I really don't know what you're trying to say here. Trump the candidate/president has been very reliably "pro-life" so I'd hardly say he's played "both lines." There's two kinds of Trump voter as well: the evangelical/tradcon who holds their nose and votes for Trump because he installed pro-life Supreme Court justices who overturned Roe v. Wade, and the MAGA freak. Abortion is a huge motivator for the former and the latter don't really care, they just care about Trump. For democratic voters, abortion and reproductive rights is a top tier motivating issue. You need only look at the last few election cycles to put that together.
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Post by Porch Honky on Nov 9, 2023 1:28:51 GMT -5
Abortion attitudes was more spread out amongst party/ideological lines prior to Jerome Falwell. That ghoul consolidated it into the cultural issue it is today.
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Post by anointed on Nov 9, 2023 1:36:30 GMT -5
just doing some googles and all the major polling/research sites show that abortion is low on the agenda for voters across the board. however it does vary state by state, with it being most important to ohioans.
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Post by pbcookies on Nov 9, 2023 1:45:36 GMT -5
just doing some googles and all the major polling/research sites show that abortion is low on the agenda for voters across the board. however it does vary state by state, with it being most important to ohioans. I see data saying that few people think abortion is THE most important issue to them, but that's not the same as saying it's a low priority issue for them. Links?
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Post by pbcookies on Nov 9, 2023 1:52:10 GMT -5
it's weird to me that people are choosing inflation as their #1 issue in the presidential race when
a. it's been around 3-4% for months, which is on the high side of good/normal
b. the President can barely do anything about inflation
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Post by 2006 Gucci Mane on Nov 9, 2023 1:56:40 GMT -5
It's straight up corporate greed at this point but the media is still calling it "inflation".
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Post by anointed on Nov 9, 2023 1:59:56 GMT -5
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Post by pbcookies on Nov 9, 2023 2:09:51 GMT -5
well, yeah, like I said, these surveys are just asking people what's the singular most important issue for them, not ranking the importance of multiple issues, etc. it's possible (unlikely) that like 80% of people would rank abortion as the second most important issue for them. I know that's almost certainly not the case but my point is this data isn't that precise
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Post by anointed on Nov 9, 2023 2:39:45 GMT -5
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Post by Ass Dan on Nov 9, 2023 6:30:06 GMT -5
It's straight up corporate greed at this point but the media is still calling it "inflation". I mean inflation by definition is the change in prices over time. It is true that you can’t attribute all of it to increased wages or increases in the cost of materials. But it’s still inflation. It’s really an antitrust issue. Firms wouldn’t be able to raise prices like they are if our antitrust policy hadn’t been so lax for the past 40-50 years.
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Post by j (in a good way) on Nov 9, 2023 7:01:41 GMT -5
Ramaswamy trying to float a conspiracy theory live on CNN about Gavin Newsom being the secret democratic nominee. i've heard something different. i've heard that sean is actually the secret democratic nominee Is this true Sean are you actually a democrap?
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Post by theonefreeman on Nov 9, 2023 8:54:10 GMT -5
it's weird to me that people are choosing inflation as their #1 issue in the presidential race when a. it's been around 3-4% for months, which is on the high side of good/normal b. the President can barely do anything about inflation Government can't do much about inflation (apart from creating and enforcing measures which put a cap on profit-motivated price increases for certain sectors similar to what we see with energy, which would never happen), but it can do something about how we're dealing with it. Inflation checks, lowering/temporarily putting a stop to things like gas taxes when prices are high (Michigan did this), etc. As far as I'm aware, there isn't much talk about anything along these lines on a national level. The first sentence is coming from the perspective that many of the price increases we've seen over the past few years do not stem solely from "natural" inflation. Lots of record profit margins reported since this all started.
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Post by killedbyboard on Nov 9, 2023 9:20:45 GMT -5
In my college economics class, once we started talking about consumer confidence and market expectations as a quantifiable economic metric, I realized how self-fulfilling and subject to manipulation the market is. While wages increasing and massive supply decreases post-pandemic could be expected to increase inflation, they were clearly priming the pump using consumer expectations of incoming inflation to justify increases way beyond what would be expected. There's almost nothing the government can do beyond raising rates and trying to increase unemployment because we sold the farm to these corporate ghouls through decades of deregulation.
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Post by lalanointed on Nov 9, 2023 9:27:08 GMT -5
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Post by killedbyboard on Nov 9, 2023 9:31:38 GMT -5
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Post by Perm’d by God on Nov 9, 2023 9:34:20 GMT -5
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Post by BIL Security Team Alpha on Nov 9, 2023 11:44:59 GMT -5
Vivek Ramaswamy is the ultimate Zany Guy Candidate (ZGC). Hopefully he’s hired a crew to document his life and campaign on film, could be a groundbreaking Zany Guy Movie (ZGM).
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Post by smashedbox on Nov 9, 2023 12:28:05 GMT -5
classic
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Post by meatballmaniac on Nov 9, 2023 13:19:29 GMT -5
The only democracy in the Middle East.
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Post by Porch Honky on Nov 9, 2023 13:21:02 GMT -5
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Post by Percussionist Foster Grant on Nov 9, 2023 13:25:53 GMT -5
"Darlington, reportedly born in the Panama province of Colon, told the authorities at the scene that he "did not want to talk to women" who were arranging the protestors." Elderly incels?
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Post by Mr. Dingle Foot on Nov 9, 2023 13:37:18 GMT -5
"Darlington, reportedly born in the Panama province of Colon, told the authorities at the scene that he "did not want to talk to women" who were arranging the protestors." Elderly incels? Narc y los Incelitos.
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Post by Perm’d by God on Nov 9, 2023 13:41:30 GMT -5
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Post by killedbyboard on Nov 9, 2023 14:31:12 GMT -5
Vivek Ramaswamy is the ultimate Zany Guy Candidate (ZGC). Hopefully he’s hired a crew to document his life and campaign on film, could be a groundbreaking Zany Guy Movie (ZGM). Chris Christie feels like he could be in a Farrelly Brothers movie.
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Post by Ass Dan on Nov 9, 2023 20:04:52 GMT -5
In the background, one of the activists then says: "Why don't you shoot?"
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