☭POLITICS☭: Election Season Hell

[Deleted]

Missed the match last night. Did I miss anything of note?

[Aaron]

Please watch the Katie Britt rebuttal if you haven’t

Woo boy howdy it’s a memorable one

[meatballmaniac]

I am a proud mother of two school aged children, Bennet and Gary Ridgway.

[Percussionist Foster Grant]

My sons, Fenway and Dodger Fan.

[meatballmaniac]

Honda Ridgeway

[Percussionist Foster Grant]

Republicans baffled by Katie Britt’s State of the Union response: ‘One of our biggest disasters’

[Daytona 500]

Credit where it's due, that Biden/MTG interaction was fun, there's pretty much no way to come back from someone visually addressing you like that.

[killedbyboard]

She looked AI generated. It's getting universally lambasted even by Republicans. I don't know why they insist on doing a rebuttal. Not one rising star Republican ever comes off well. Bobby Jindal killed his career and Marco Rubio's water incident killed his. This lady's career is over before it started.

[Percussionist Foster Grant]

It further illustrates how out of touch the Republican shot callers are. They think a woman talking to you like a mom in the parking lot @ daycare is the sort of thing their base wants/trusts.

And beyond that, a lot of her touting of the virtues of the USA gets directly contradicted by the literal GOP nominee telling us the USA is a banana republic, a drug-riddled hellscape, a failed experiment... this party can't even get its own messaging right.

So like... the country fell into a hellscape within 3.5 years of Biden? It wasn't a hellscape when Trump left office and COVID was still tearing the country apart?

[Deleted]

why are people celebrating biden for his exchange with mtg?

she said "say her name". he said her name. he held up the pin SHE GAVE HIM. he called her killer "an illegal" which is extremely antiquated language. then he used the whole thing to try to sell the border security bill that he literally begged trump in public to back. like that's a W for the GOP any way you cut it.

[AL 🎄✨🦌]

he's trying to win that margin of nikki haley voters from the gop primary

[Percussionist Foster Grant]

Anything MTG related isn't a win for the actual GOP, it's throwing fish heads to the freaks who love anything chaotic and Trumpy. Those people were already voting for Trump, they're baked in. Theatrics like MTG/Boebert during these last few SOTU's is just that: Theatrics.

More theatrics from a party who's real heavy on theatrics and real light on, you know... an actual platform for running the country. That's great that you want to get rid of gender neutral bathrooms, Republicans, but how about lowering peoples rent first? Or keeping prescription drug prices low like, you know, Joe Biden did?

[Aaron]

Shit even Boebert was largely normal last night

[Daytona 500]

Mar 8, 2024 11:26:29 GMT -5 Aaron said:

Shit even Boebert was largely normal last night

Was probably lost in thought about crankin a hog.

[Percussionist Foster Grant]

I don't pay close enough attention to this thread, is James k a legit Republican? Lol, no shade I just can't really tell.

[Deleted]

Mar 8, 2024 11:25:42 GMT -5 Percussionist Foster Grant said:

Anything MTG related isn't a win for the actual GOP, it's throwing fish heads to the freaks who love anything chaotic and Trumpy. Those people were already voting for Trump, they're baked in. Theatrics like MTG/Boebert during these last few SOTU's is just that: Theatrics.

More theatrics from a party who's real heavy on theatrics and real light on, you know... an actual platform for running the country. That's great that you want to get rid of gender neutral bathrooms, Republicans, but how about lowering peoples rent first? Or keeping prescription drug prices low like, you know, Joe Biden did?

sure except when you engage and VALIDATE her position. 

she yelled out LAKEN RILEY and Biden CONCURRED with her and used GOP-coded language "illegal" to basically validate her entire argument all to push an intensely problematic border security bill.

[Daytona 500]

Just about any time republicans break the contain of Fox News and such it’s the same thing. Especially when it comes to these rebuttals, they have their talking points before the speech so they just say whatever. Then they get into their same ole shit about what they’ll change, even though we have multiple examples of times they’ve been in position to do so, but can’t. Dog catches the car and all that.

Not that the democrats are any better. Essentially four years of “trump bad” being the message followed by campaigning on the same thing for the following four.

[johnny two cool]

the people who might vote every four years in the presidential election are by and large too stupid to be receptive to policy. “Trump bad” works better than, say, “Hey, so this is the horrendous state of US inland waterways due to the fix-as-needed approach the federal government has taken over the past thirty-plus years and there’s a multibillion dollar backlog of work to do and here’s our somewhat successful attempt at altering that trajectory.”

[Percussionist Foster Grant]

Mar 8, 2024 11:31:48 GMT -5 @jamesk said:

Mar 8, 2024 11:25:42 GMT -5 Percussionist Foster Grant said:

Anything MTG related isn't a win for the actual GOP, it's throwing fish heads to the freaks who love anything chaotic and Trumpy. Those people were already voting for Trump, they're baked in. Theatrics like MTG/Boebert during these last few SOTU's is just that: Theatrics.

More theatrics from a party who's real heavy on theatrics and real light on, you know... an actual platform for running the country. That's great that you want to get rid of gender neutral bathrooms, Republicans, but how about lowering peoples rent first? Or keeping prescription drug prices low like, you know, Joe Biden did?

sure except when you engage and VALIDATE her position. 

she yelled out LAKEN RILEY and Biden CONCURRED with her and used GOP-coded language "illegal" to basically validate her entire argument all to push an intensely problematic border security bill.

But what was he supposed to do? I mean, on a human level, if someone disrupts a speech in a quiet room, briefly acknowledging the person isn't some sort of validation. It's, "hey, acknowledge the lunatic so she'll shut up and I can get this shit back on track." I just don't really think that's something that can be held against a million year old career politician, since I suspect he and his handlers are much better prepared to navigate these kinds of sticky speech situations than us.

I agree with the "illegal" thing but that'll be spun into Biden using the antiquated terms that MTG/GOP continue using despite the "woke" calls for other politically correct terms. Biden's speech is being heralded as a a (mostly) slam dunk for the Dems by most bipartisan news sources. Focusing on the MTG thing feels a bit nit picky. He overshot expectations regardless.

[AL 🎄✨🦌]

this guy is just a hybrid of biden and trump for florida sunbums

[Percussionist Foster Grant]

Yeah but he's tagging Cheryl Hines every night.

[Deleted]

Latino support for Democrat has been declining since like 2012, using what amounts to a racial slur against Latinos during the most important presidential speech of the year is NOT the way forward.

[Percussionist Foster Grant]

I don't think using the Republicans' verbiage against them in a speech -- whether planned or a slip of the mind/tongue -- is shaping much of anybody's apinion this late in the game... least of all Latinos who probably care about shit like the ceasefire and the economy too.

[killedbyboard]

Mar 8, 2024 11:31:48 GMT -5 @jamesk said:

Mar 8, 2024 11:25:42 GMT -5 Percussionist Foster Grant said:

Anything MTG related isn't a win for the actual GOP, it's throwing fish heads to the freaks who love anything chaotic and Trumpy. Those people were already voting for Trump, they're baked in. Theatrics like MTG/Boebert during these last few SOTU's is just that: Theatrics.

More theatrics from a party who's real heavy on theatrics and real light on, you know... an actual platform for running the country. That's great that you want to get rid of gender neutral bathrooms, Republicans, but how about lowering peoples rent first? Or keeping prescription drug prices low like, you know, Joe Biden did?

sure except when you engage and VALIDATE her position. 

she yelled out LAKEN RILEY and Biden CONCURRED with her and used GOP-coded language "illegal" to basically validate her entire argument all to push an intensely problematic border security bill.

I'm not sure you understand "politics". That was a political move because border security is their one big issue they can take him to task over, and he can hold over their heads that he tried to pass a border security bill with bipartisan support, and the GOP stymied it for the sole purpose of using it as a cudgel in an election year.

[throwdemgunz]

Mar 8, 2024 12:03:54 GMT -5 killedbyboard said:

Mar 8, 2024 11:31:48 GMT -5 @jamesk said:

sure except when you engage and VALIDATE her position. 

she yelled out LAKEN RILEY and Biden CONCURRED with her and used GOP-coded language "illegal" to basically validate her entire argument all to push an intensely problematic border security bill.

I'm not sure you understand "politics". That was a political move because border security is their one big issue they can take him to task over, and he can hold over their heads that he tried to pass a border security bill with bipartisan support, and the GOP stymied it for the sole purpose of using it as a cudgel in an election year.

Not sure outflanking the GOP from the right on immigration is the win you think it is.

[Deleted]

I might not understand "politics" but I understand common sense and using a racial slur to affirm a GOP talking point is not the way forward.

Might be time to dust this off.

[Daytona 500]

Mar 8, 2024 11:38:31 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

the people who might vote every four years in the presidential election are by and large too stupid to be receptive to policy. “Trump bad” works better than, say, “Hey, so this is the horrendous state of US inland waterways due to the fix-as-needed approach the federal government has taken over the past thirty-plus years and there’s a multibillion dollar backlog of work to do and here’s our somewhat successful attempt at altering that trajectory.”

My main problem with falling into one boogeyman for this long is it’s probably lost people along the way at this point. I don’t think it has the same strength it did in 2020.

[Percussionist Foster Grant]

It's not a racial slur tho, it's an antiquated term for undocumented immigrants.

[Deleted]

Mar 8, 2024 12:10:41 GMT -5 Percussionist Foster Grant said:

It's not a racial slur tho, it's an antiquated term for immigrants.

Idk where you're from, but in the southwest, racists call every day American citizen / born here Latinos they don't like "illegal". It is a racial slur.

Just like how "terrorist" is a racial slur for Middle Eastern people.

[killedbyboard]

Mar 8, 2024 12:04:57 GMT -5 throwdemgunz said:

Mar 8, 2024 12:03:54 GMT -5 killedbyboard said:

I'm not sure you understand "politics". That was a political move because border security is their one big issue they can take him to task over, and he can hold over their heads that he tried to pass a border security bill with bipartisan support, and the GOP stymied it for the sole purpose of using it as a cudgel in an election year.

Not sure outflanking the GOP from the right on immigration is the win you think it is.

I don't think politics on the "left" in immigration are as popular as you think they are. I agree the use of that term was not right, but that doesn't mean it wasn't politically savvy to acknowledge that someone was killed by an undocumented person. If he doesn't acknowledge it, does he score points with any progressives? If he called the killer "undocumented" does he score points? Does James hail it as a victory for the left? Of course not. It goes unnoticed, except to people who think illegal immigration is their top issue and are outraged by Riley's murder, which crosses political divides and likely would hit the base that Biden needs to convince to win.