☭POLITICS☭: Election Season Hell

[DrewBlood]

May 8, 2020 22:46:18 GMT -5 boundforgloryhole said:

http://instagr.am/p/B_7KpSAldmC

Start a group with the same name that advocates that these two should be dragged out of jail by a mob, tortured for everyone else’s amusement, pause for photos, and then hanged from a telephone pole until dead.

[squelchingTHUD]

Sinophobia every two pages, check

[gmaneb]

“Did not comply with simple commands.”

Sounds like all the whities out there demanding to reopen the country. Can we take them out, too?

[koreangirls]

May 8, 2020 20:27:38 GMT -5 Pat said:

I don't disagree, but in this situation would it be much different under any system?

Yeah, and even if it would be better under a different system, that wouldn't say much. Just because a system handles a pandemic that happens every couple of centuries better, doesn't mean it's the better option for "peaceful" times, too. I'm guessing you wouldn't wanna have a wartime economy at all times, right? Sure handles war better, though.

All this isn't to say there aren't better systems than this, but looking at how a system handles an event that occurs as rarely as this is a pretty bad argument. I feel like the US failure at handling this is also way more on the political than the systematic level. There are plenty of other countries with a capitalist system similar to the US that handled this a lot better.

Plus, actual unemployment would've gone up regardless of the system. In some other countries, people are technically still employed even though they're not working, but are they actually better off? Who else is getting paid more on unemployment than when they were employed like a lot of people in the US are? I know people that are still employed and are now worried they're gonna get fired after the crisis. Again, are they better off there just because the numbers look nicer?

This is also not like a regular recession (those were in a sense the system's own doing, while this is to a much greater degree external), and people are gonna get rehired in the US way faster after the storm settles. The comparison in that graph is disingenuous to begin with. So yeah, dismantle the system; but when you make your pick, maybe pick a system that handles the good times best, not what happens <1% of the time.

[chaospouch]

So we getting $2000 a month or what?

[squelchingTHUD]

May 9, 2020 7:32:03 GMT -5 koreangirls said:

May 8, 2020 20:27:38 GMT -5 Pat said:

I don't disagree, but in this situation would it be much different under any system?

Yeah, and even if it would be better under a different system, that wouldn't say much. Just because a system handles a pandemic that happens every couple of centuries better, doesn't mean it's the better option for "peaceful" times, too. I'm guessing you wouldn't wanna have a wartime economy at all times, right? Sure handles war better, though.

All this isn't to say there aren't better systems than this, but looking at how a system handles an event that occurs as rarely as this is a pretty bad argument. I feel like the US failure at handling this is also way more on the political than the systematic level. There are plenty of other countries with a capitalist system similar to the US that handled this a lot better.

Plus, actual unemployment would've gone up regardless of the system. In some other countries, people are technically still employed even though they're not working, but are they actually better off? Who else is getting paid more on unemployment than when they were employed like a lot of people in the US are? I know people that are still employed and are now worried they're gonna get fired after the crisis. Again, are they better off there just because the numbers look nicer?

This is also not like a regular recession (those were in a sense the system's own doing, while this is to a much greater degree external), and people are gonna get rehired in the US way faster after the storm settles. The comparison in that graph is disingenuous to begin with. So yeah, dismantle the system; but when you make your pick, maybe pick a system that handles the good times best, not what happens <1% of the time.

true, the American system runs perfectly normally and doesn’t require constant bailouts

[koreangirls]

May 9, 2020 9:17:48 GMT -5 squelchingTHUD said:

May 9, 2020 7:32:03 GMT -5 koreangirls said:

Yeah, and even if it would be better under a different system, that wouldn't say much. Just because a system handles a pandemic that happens every couple of centuries better, doesn't mean it's the better option for "peaceful" times, too. I'm guessing you wouldn't wanna have a wartime economy at all times, right? Sure handles war better, though.

All this isn't to say there aren't better systems than this, but looking at how a system handles an event that occurs as rarely as this is a pretty bad argument. I feel like the US failure at handling this is also way more on the political than the systematic level. There are plenty of other countries with a capitalist system similar to the US that handled this a lot better.

Plus, actual unemployment would've gone up regardless of the system. In some other countries, people are technically still employed even though they're not working, but are they actually better off? Who else is getting paid more on unemployment than when they were employed like a lot of people in the US are? I know people that are still employed and are now worried they're gonna get fired after the crisis. Again, are they better off there just because the numbers look nicer?

This is also not like a regular recession (those were in a sense the system's own doing, while this is to a much greater degree external), and people are gonna get rehired in the US way faster after the storm settles. The comparison in that graph is disingenuous to begin with. So yeah, dismantle the system; but when you make your pick, maybe pick a system that handles the good times best, not what happens <1% of the time.

true, the American system runs perfectly normally and doesn’t require constant bailouts

Yup, this is exactly what I said.

[neatneatneat]

May 7, 2020 23:37:55 GMT -5 theywalkedinline said:

May 7, 2020 23:28:02 GMT -5 pbcookies said:

Arbery shooters in custody

The look on that gingers face. 

Literal mouth-breather 

[RIP RIDE!!!]

May 9, 2020 11:23:20 GMT -5 neatneatneat said:

May 7, 2020 23:37:55 GMT -5 theywalkedinline said:

The look on that gingers face. 

Literal mouth-breather 

hey! some peoples jaws just aren't built to support their jowls

[Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate]

Sorry comrades, I guess we’ve lost. Communism failed.

[Deleted]

The personification of a Holodomor wikipedia link

[Deleted]

May 9, 2020 8:57:46 GMT -5 chaospouch said:

So we getting $2000 a month or what?

give money

[Deleted]

May 9, 2020 8:57:46 GMT -5 chaospouch said:

So we getting $2000 a month or what?

only question that matters

[nalyd]

McConnell has said that the next bill will 100% need to have a provision to release employers of any liability related to COVID lawsuits for him to bring it to the floor. That is absolutely insane to think that employees will be forced to work without any protections and the employers will have absolutely no risk of lawsuits when people die. www.abajournal.com/news/article/mcconnell-says-aid-bill-must-include-liability-shield-for-businesses-and-hospitals

I have had coworkers who have contracted covid on the job, and my boss has essentially said tough shit that we don't have enough PPE for us. Won't be able to collect unemployment if I quit, and the likelihood that I have no will legal recourse against my employer if something happens is on of the most infuriating things I have ever experienced.

[pbcookies]

May 9, 2020 17:31:39 GMT -5 nalyd said:

McConnell has said that the next bill will 100% need to have a provision to release employers of any liability related to COVID lawsuits for him to bring it to the floor. That is absolutely insane to think that employees will be forced to work without any protections and the employers will have absolutely no risk of lawsuits when people die. www.abajournal.com/news/article/mcconnell-says-aid-bill-must-include-liability-shield-for-businesses-and-hospitals

I have had coworkers who have contracted covid on the job, and my boss has essentially said tough shit that we don't have enough PPE for us. Won't be able to collect unemployment if I quit, and the likelihood that I have no will legal recourse against my employer if something happens is on of the most infuriating things I have ever experienced.

jesus, what type of work?

[Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate]

May 9, 2020 17:31:39 GMT -5 nalyd said:

McConnell has said that the next bill will 100% need to have a provision to release employers of any liability related to COVID lawsuits for him to bring it to the floor. That is absolutely insane to think that employees will be forced to work without any protections and the employers will have absolutely no risk of lawsuits when people die. www.abajournal.com/news/article/mcconnell-says-aid-bill-must-include-liability-shield-for-businesses-and-hospitals

I have had coworkers who have contracted covid on the job, and my boss has essentially said tough shit that we don't have enough PPE for us. Won't be able to collect unemployment if I quit, and the likelihood that I have no will legal recourse against my employer if something happens is on of the most infuriating things I have ever experienced.

I was flooding the Ohio snitch line last night for this exact thing.

[tandoori jones]

trump and McConnell won't stop til our labor force is that of a 3rd world country and our billionaires become trillionaires

[chaospouch]

May 9, 2020 17:23:39 GMT -5 @dogmeat said:

May 9, 2020 8:57:46 GMT -5 chaospouch said:

So we getting $2000 a month or what?

only question that matters

Hey man, I dropped out of caring about politics a decade ago, but I’ll take some free money from whatever despot wants to pay for my complacency

[Deleted]

May 9, 2020 18:19:47 GMT -5 chaospouch said:

May 9, 2020 17:23:39 GMT -5 @dogmeat said:

only question that matters

Hey man, I dropped out of caring about politics a decade ago, but I’ll take some free money from whatever despot wants to pay for my complacency

best thing for your mental health imo

[killedbyboard]

Newsom made it a presumption of industrial causation if essential workers contract COVID19. So they will essentially all qualify for workers comp. Makes the insurance carriers shoulder some of the burden of this.

[immortalrites]

Gimme money

[nalyd]

May 9, 2020 17:41:28 GMT -5 pbcookies said:

May 9, 2020 17:31:39 GMT -5 nalyd said:

McConnell has said that the next bill will 100% need to have a provision to release employers of any liability related to COVID lawsuits for him to bring it to the floor. That is absolutely insane to think that employees will be forced to work without any protections and the employers will have absolutely no risk of lawsuits when people die. www.abajournal.com/news/article/mcconnell-says-aid-bill-must-include-liability-shield-for-businesses-and-hospitals

I have had coworkers who have contracted covid on the job, and my boss has essentially said tough shit that we don't have enough PPE for us. Won't be able to collect unemployment if I quit, and the likelihood that I have no will legal recourse against my employer if something happens is on of the most infuriating things I have ever experienced.

jesus, what type of work?

I work in industrial hygiene, and since COVID started our work has turned into 90% writing disinfection protocols and supervising workers who are performing COVID disinfection in various places that have had confirmed COVID cases.

[Ese Ese]

May 9, 2020 19:34:13 GMT -5 killedbyboard said:

Newsom made it a presumption of industrial causation if essential workers contract COVID19. So they will essentially all qualify for workers comp. Makes the insurance carriers shoulder some of the burden of this.

As they should. They suck.

[nalyd]

May 9, 2020 19:34:13 GMT -5 killedbyboard said:

Newsom made it a presumption of industrial causation if essential workers contract COVID19. So they will essentially all qualify for workers comp. Makes the insurance carriers shoulder some of the burden of this.

Illinois tried this but has since been blocked by state courts

[itii]

May 9, 2020 17:31:39 GMT -5 nalyd said:

McConnell has said that the next bill will 100% need to have a provision to release employers of any liability related to COVID lawsuits for him to bring it to the floor. That is absolutely insane to think that employees will be forced to work without any protections and the employers will have absolutely no risk of lawsuits when people die. www.abajournal.com/news/article/mcconnell-says-aid-bill-must-include-liability-shield-for-businesses-and-hospitals

I have had coworkers who have contracted covid on the job, and my boss has essentially said tough shit that we don't have enough PPE for us. Won't be able to collect unemployment if I quit, and the likelihood that I have no will legal recourse against my employer if something happens is on of the most infuriating things I have ever experienced.

The narrative changed this week from how many people were dying to how many people it was acceptable to let die. It absolutely tilted from "we thought we were going to lose X amount of people" to "well, since we way over-performed, we can afford this much margin of lives lost now."

And from my probably flawed understanding, what he's proposing is basically make a federal statute that's not introducing but finalizing/institutionalizing the fact your job can't be held accountable for making you sick.

[lobsterdog]

May 10, 2020 1:50:03 GMT -5 itii said:

May 9, 2020 17:31:39 GMT -5 nalyd said:

McConnell has said that the next bill will 100% need to have a provision to release employers of any liability related to COVID lawsuits for him to bring it to the floor. That is absolutely insane to think that employees will be forced to work without any protections and the employers will have absolutely no risk of lawsuits when people die. www.abajournal.com/news/article/mcconnell-says-aid-bill-must-include-liability-shield-for-businesses-and-hospitals

I have had coworkers who have contracted covid on the job, and my boss has essentially said tough shit that we don't have enough PPE for us. Won't be able to collect unemployment if I quit, and the likelihood that I have no will legal recourse against my employer if something happens is on of the most infuriating things I have ever experienced.

The narrative changed this week from how many people were dying to how many people it was acceptable to let die. It absolutely tilted from "we thought we were going to lose X amount of people" to "well, since we way over-performed, we can afford this much margin of lives lost now."

And from my probably flawed understanding, what he's proposing is basically make a federal statute that's not introducing but finalizing/institutionalizing the fact your job can't be held accountable for making you sick.

and all this has happened because the Democrats fled DC in March and have basically refused to do any work since. 

[meatballmaniac]

May 10, 2020 7:59:43 GMT -5 lobsterdog said:

May 10, 2020 1:50:03 GMT -5 itii said:

The narrative changed this week from how many people were dying to how many people it was acceptable to let die. It absolutely tilted from "we thought we were going to lose X amount of people" to "well, since we way over-performed, we can afford this much margin of lives lost now."

And from my probably flawed understanding, what he's proposing is basically make a federal statute that's not introducing but finalizing/institutionalizing the fact your job can't be held accountable for making you sick.

and all this has happened because the Democrats fled DC in March and have basically refused to do any work since. 

But if we just give Trump enough rope he’ll hang himself, right guys? Right?

[lobsterdog]

May 10, 2020 9:18:53 GMT -5 meatballmaniac said:

May 10, 2020 7:59:43 GMT -5 lobsterdog said:

and all this has happened because the Democrats fled DC in March and have basically refused to do any work since. 

But if we just give Trump enough rope he’ll hang himself, right guys? Right?

[meatballmaniac]

These clowns are remarkably incompetent in the face of decades of ostensible learning experiences from losing. It’s like the Republican Party has been running the 2002 Oakland A’s for 40 years, while the Democrats are still scouting highschoolers for “baseball tools.”

[Ese Ese]

Weld me in my home already cowards