☭POLITICS☭: Election Season Hell

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Jul 5, 2020 13:23:08 GMT -5 djilo91 said:

Jul 5, 2020 13:12:53 GMT -5 The new Jan Brady said:

Biden said his response wouldn't have been different and said it was too harsh to say tr unp has blood on his hands (until he disappeared for a month and came out and said it was handled poorly,while also calling it a China virus) 

And liberals love to say "oh it'll be better for minorities" when they actually mean " people won't be protesting as much" and they only care about minorities in the abstract at election time. 


My MSNBC parents really believe Biden would be better for black people, and that's why they're gonna vote for him but they donate exactly zero dollars or any amount of time to BIPOC causes. And they don't do anything to help Biden win. No phone calls or anything. They just want to stop dealing with this countries demons. 


White privilege take incoming: this time of protesting in the streets and massive shifts in conversations is better for minorities than any neo liberalism ever would be. 

Not a chance in the world Biden comes out and says It was a republican hoax, tells people to inject themselves with household cleaners, or says that it's going to magically disappear in March. The guy at least puts on a mask and doesn't encourage his cult not to, and threaten states to open back up prematurely.

I'm sure he meant he would close the boarders like Trump did though. But Trump literally was calling fauci and the CDC liars and shit on national tv.

Do you really think that would make any difference? The UK Government is saying "all the right things" at their pressers and it hasn't done shit.

And it's not like Biden would have stopped the states from reopening.

[Daytona 500]

Yeah. States reopening is 100% to make money and the centrists are all for that. He would have likely listened to the doctors more in the beginning. Which likely changes things. But if we stayed on the same path he would have been ok with it.

Our biggest change under Biden will be the president no longer saying the quiet things out loud.

[djilo91]

Jul 5, 2020 13:28:26 GMT -5 dmk said:

Jul 5, 2020 13:23:08 GMT -5 djilo91 said:

Not a chance in the world Biden comes out and says It was a republican hoax, tells people to inject themselves with household cleaners, or says that it's going to magically disappear in March. The guy at least puts on a mask and doesn't encourage his cult not to, and threaten states to open back up prematurely.

I'm sure he meant he would close the boarders like Trump did though. But Trump literally was calling fauci and the CDC liars and shit on national tv.

Do you really think that would make any difference? The UK Government is saying "all the right things" at their pressers and it hasn't done shit.

And it's not like Biden would have stopped the states from reopening.

Boris Johnson is the British version of Trump. He was spewing the same shit at the beginning until he got the rona himself. 

Biden wouldn't have been tweeting about "Liberating" the states like Trump was.

[Popcorn Sutton]

Biden winning won’t change much of anything but I will enjoy hearing tucker Carlson call him a Marxist communist for 4 years.

[The new Jan Brady]

That's actually the best argument I've heard. Saw an ad for "joe Bidens America" and the whole bit was people calling 911 and being told response time was 20 minutes. Like people REALLY think he's left leaning or stands for anything. It's precious.

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Jul 5, 2020 13:31:30 GMT -5 Daytona 500 said:

Yeah. States reopening is 100% to make money and the centrists are all for that. He would have likely listened to the doctors more in the beginning. Which likely changes things. But if we stayed on the same path he would have been ok with it.

Our biggest change under Biden will be the president no longer saying the quiet things out loud.

news.yahoo.com/biden-suggests-police-could-shoot-assailants-in-the-leg-instead-of-the-heart-201750470.html

[Popcorn Sutton]

Jul 5, 2020 13:47:42 GMT -5 The new Jan Brady said:

That's actually the best argument I've heard. Saw an ad for "joe Bidens America" and the whole bit was people calling 911 and being told response time was 20 minutes. Like people REALLY think he's left leaning or stands for anything. It's precious.

It’s the “Kenyan Muslim” for an 80 year old white guy from Scranton.

Saw that ad too. Hilarious cuz sleepy joe said he does not support defunding the police right from the beginning.

[Sorley Boy]

Cuomo isn't meaningfully to the left of Biden and he was at least as aggressive as any other governor in keeping his state closed, building a contact tracing network etc. A president can't force the country to shut down but the message and political cover from the WH matters and I have no doubt Biden would've done far better than Trump.

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Jul 5, 2020 13:33:03 GMT -5 djilo91 said:

Jul 5, 2020 13:28:26 GMT -5 dmk said:

Do you really think that would make any difference? The UK Government is saying "all the right things" at their pressers and it hasn't done shit.

And it's not like Biden would have stopped the states from reopening.

Boris Johnson is the British version of Trump. He was spewing the same shit at the beginning until he got the rona himself. 

Biden wouldn't have been tweeting about "Liberating" the states like Trump was.

Boris Johnson is a cunt, but outside of talking about herd immunity at the start they've been constantly stating the importance of health and safety guidelines, and even based their whole slogan about protecting the health services. And it still didn't make any fucking difference, they've had by far the most deaths in Europe, and that's  even including places like Bulgaria where the government told people to just drink more vodka and visit saunas.


And if you really think some dumb tweet changes everything then I've got a bridge to sell you. There would probably be even more defiance from the right if this happened under Biden because it's a Dem telling them what to do.

[djilo91]

Jul 5, 2020 13:56:57 GMT -5 dmk said:

Jul 5, 2020 13:33:03 GMT -5 djilo91 said:

Boris Johnson is the British version of Trump. He was spewing the same shit at the beginning until he got the rona himself. 

Biden wouldn't have been tweeting about "Liberating" the states like Trump was.

Boris Johnson is a cunt, but outside of talking about herd immunity at the start they've been constantly stating the importance of health and safety guidelines, and even based their whole slogan about protecting the health services. And it still didn't make any fucking difference, they've had by far the most deaths in Europe, and that's  even including places like Bulgaria where the government told people to just drink more vodka and visit saunas.


And if you really think some dumb tweet changes everything then I've got a bridge to sell you. There would probably be even more defiance from the right if this happened under Biden because it's a Dem telling them what to do.

I guess you don't get that the man is running a cult and yes, him tweeting shit riles them up. They literally follow every word this imbecile spews. He tweeted Liberate Michigan and then this happened www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52496514


England is the closest country in terms of how fucked up the government and leaders are too America. The same right wing/nationalist surge is happening there as well. No wonder the same shit is happening.

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Jul 5, 2020 14:00:50 GMT -5 djilo91 said:

Jul 5, 2020 13:56:57 GMT -5 dmk said:

Boris Johnson is a cunt, but outside of talking about herd immunity at the start they've been constantly stating the importance of health and safety guidelines, and even based their whole slogan about protecting the health services. And it still didn't make any fucking difference, they've had by far the most deaths in Europe, and that's  even including places like Bulgaria where the government told people to just drink more vodka and visit saunas.


And if you really think some dumb tweet changes everything then I've got a bridge to sell you. There would probably be even more defiance from the right if this happened under Biden because it's a Dem telling them what to do.

I guess you don't get that the man is running a cult and yes, him tweeting shit riles them up. They literally follow every word this imbecile spews. He tweeted Liberate Michigan and then this happened www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52496514


England is the closest country in terms of how fucked up the government and leaders are too America. The same right wing/nationalist surge is happening there as well. No wonder the same shit is happening.

Lmao why do you think I'm praising the UK government? My point is just that they have a clearer message and it didn't do anything. If it wasn't Trump tweeting that then it would be some Republican senator, and they'd still be eating it up. Biden doesn't change any of this, and his track record clearly shows that he puts profits over people.

[djilo91]

Jul 5, 2020 14:14:29 GMT -5 dmk said:

Jul 5, 2020 14:00:50 GMT -5 djilo91 said:

I guess you don't get that the man is running a cult and yes, him tweeting shit riles them up. They literally follow every word this imbecile spews. He tweeted Liberate Michigan and then this happened www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52496514


England is the closest country in terms of how fucked up the government and leaders are too America. The same right wing/nationalist surge is happening there as well. No wonder the same shit is happening.

Lmao why do you think I'm praising the UK government? My point is just that they have a clearer message and it didn't do anything. If it wasn't Trump tweeting that then it would be some Republican senator, and they'd still be eating it up. Biden doesn't change any of this, and his track record clearly shows that he puts profits over people.

Why do you think I'm praising Biden? I just don't think he could have possibly done worse than Trump for this one specific thing. Some republican senator is not the same as a guy with a cult following who is the president of the United states. I do think if Biden didn't downplay the thing from the beginning like Trump did then more people would have taken it seriously. And I don't really think that's any kind of hot take.


If the figure head of the USA came out and said take this seriously, rather then saying this is a hoax and it's going to go away quickly, at least some people would take it more seriously. 

[djilo91]

Again, I don't like Biden, But literally anyone would have handled Corona better than Trump did. And I can't believe there are people here who think he didn't have anything to do with how bad it has gotten.

[Percussionist Foster Grant]

Trump's obstinate nature has definitely made the virus situation worse in the states, but his impact does tend to get overstated by the likes of CNN and MSNBC. He has definitely made a point of politicizing mask-wearing, further dividing camps while convincing his mong followers not to wear them simply because he doesn't. He could have stepped out in early March and said, in that typical "pull no punches" candor that Trumpers fawn over so much, "look, wear a mask or you could die... it's that simple, don't be an idiot."

But he didn't, and he doesn't. Few presidents, if any, would so brazenly defy the advice of qualified public health officials. Trump does it on a seemingly daily basis.

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I'm not convinced Biden would've opted to conduct the testing we needed in the beginning of the pandemic based on his healthcare stances.

[Aaron]

I don’t think anyone expects some massive shift through a Biden presidency, but it’s also kinda insane to me that people hold this bleak, nihilistic view that things also wouldn’t be even incrementally better with him vs Trump.

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They might be incrementally better, sure.

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eric garcetti and gavin newsom are both ***sexy liberals*** and covid in los angeles is as bad today as it was a couple months ago. handled objectively terribly by democrats. joe biden is still a lunatic capitalist who'd be opening up the economy early because those are the interests he's beholden to.

this "not as bad as trump" shit is seriously the lowest form of political discourse.

[Aaron]

Jul 5, 2020 14:40:40 GMT -5 @spsp said:

They might be incrementally better, sure.

For me, that is enough at the present moment. I cannot imagine another four years of this shit. I was ready to sit this one out prior to COVID. But things have gotten far to fucking bizarro world to hold my vote.

[Aaron]

Jul 5, 2020 14:41:08 GMT -5 @sami said:

this "not as bad as trump" shit is seriously the lowest form of political discourse.

It is, but it’s where we are. And it sure as shit won’t change for this election.

[itii]

Jul 5, 2020 14:37:25 GMT -5 @spsp said:

I'm not convinced Biden would've opted to conduct the testing we needed in the beginning of the pandemic based on his healthcare stances.

but the messaging would likely be "wear a mask, protect yourself, personal responsibility" which prolly completely shifts how the public approaches the situation and the conversation.

[Percussionist Foster Grant]

Biden 100% would have dragged his feet like Trump did early on. No question. The difference is I think Biden would have deferred to medical professionals and taken more substantive action as soon as it became clear this virus wasn't going to magically disappear. There's also an argument that Biden -- if he were 3+ years into his presidency like Trump -- might have already had a pandemic response team appointed under his administration.

Trump's constant downplaying COVID well into late spring had an immeasurable impact on dumb people's perceptions of the virus. And it's those same dumb people who continued to go out, not wear masks, not socially distance, etc who likely played a significant role in getting us to this point in the first place.

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Jul 5, 2020 14:44:36 GMT -5 itii said:

Jul 5, 2020 14:37:25 GMT -5 @spsp said:

I'm not convinced Biden would've opted to conduct the testing we needed in the beginning of the pandemic based on his healthcare stances.

but the messaging would likely be "wear a mask, protect yourself, personal responsibility" which prolly completely shifts how the public approaches the situation and the conversation.

I prefer action over words generally. And I'm not being snarky. There is something to be said of these "public perception" arguments, but it does nothing to address that no matter who is in the white house, there are demographics of American society that exist for a material reason and it's not because of their ideology. People we're always going to shun wearing masks in this dumb country. Regardless we needed testing, etc.

[The new Jan Brady]

Jul 5, 2020 14:18:50 GMT -5 djilo91 said:

Jul 5, 2020 14:14:29 GMT -5 dmk said:

Lmao why do you think I'm praising the UK government? My point is just that they have a clearer message and it didn't do anything. If it wasn't Trump tweeting that then it would be some Republican senator, and they'd still be eating it up. Biden doesn't change any of this, and his track record clearly shows that he puts profits over people.

Why do you think I'm praising Biden? I just don't think he could have possibly done worse than Trump for this one specific thing. Some republican senator is not the same as a guy with a cult following who is the president of the United states. I do think if Biden didn't downplay the thing from the beginning like Trump did then more people would have taken it seriously. And I don't really think that's any kind of hot take.


If the figure head of the USA came out and said take this seriously, rather then saying this is a hoax and it's going to go away quickly, at least some people would take it more seriously. 

I think if a Dem said it we'd have even more "deep state hoax" people than we do now. 

[djilo91]

Jul 5, 2020 14:41:08 GMT -5 @sami said:

eric garcetti and gavin newsom are both ***sexy liberals*** and covid in los angeles is as bad today as it was a couple months ago. handled objectively terribly by democrats. joe biden is still a lunatic capitalist who'd be opening up the economy early because those are the interests he's beholden to.

this "not as bad as trump" shit is seriously the lowest form of political discourse.

Oh damn. I guess you’re right that since one Democrat state is spiking it has nothing to do with Trump being a moron and dismissing this entire thing from the start.

If they’re all bad, which they are, we might as well re-elect the science denier and hopefully we’ll get 4 more years of masks becoming politicized and some snake oil salesman going on national tv telling his cult to disregard what leading health experts are saying and that all of this is just a hoax that is going to go away.

Ya I get saying Trump handled the this terribly is a low hanging fruit, but saying things would have gone the same way with anyone else is fucking dumb as fuck.

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Jul 5, 2020 14:44:36 GMT -5 itii said:

Jul 5, 2020 14:37:25 GMT -5 @spsp said:

I'm not convinced Biden would've opted to conduct the testing we needed in the beginning of the pandemic based on his healthcare stances.

but the messaging would likely be "wear a mask, protect yourself, personal responsibility" which prolly completely shifts how the public approaches the situation and the conversation.

if joe biden said this trump's entire fan base would call him a commie and we'd still be in the same boat. 

again, in california, newsom succumbed to a bunch of chud's protests about opening the economy back up. he did and we're still fucked. 

[djilo91]

Jul 5, 2020 14:50:40 GMT -5 @sami said:

Jul 5, 2020 14:44:36 GMT -5 itii said:

but the messaging would likely be "wear a mask, protect yourself, personal responsibility" which prolly completely shifts how the public approaches the situation and the conversation.

if joe biden said this trump's entire fan base would call him a commie and we'd still be in the same boat. 

again, in california, newsom succumbed to a bunch of chud's protests about opening the economy back up. he did and we're still fucked. 

And Trump is the one tweeting, and making speeches, riling up his cult to protest to get the economy opened back up.

[djilo91]

Jul 5, 2020 14:47:40 GMT -5 The new Jan Brady said:

Jul 5, 2020 14:18:50 GMT -5 djilo91 said:

Why do you think I'm praising Biden? I just don't think he could have possibly done worse than Trump for this one specific thing. Some republican senator is not the same as a guy with a cult following who is the president of the United states. I do think if Biden didn't downplay the thing from the beginning like Trump did then more people would have taken it seriously. And I don't really think that's any kind of hot take.


If the figure head of the USA came out and said take this seriously, rather then saying this is a hoax and it's going to go away quickly, at least some people would take it more seriously. 

I think if a Dem said it we'd have even more "deep state hoax" people than we do now. 

Trump is one of the only people on Earth who would have come out and called it a hoax from the very beginning. Him and Alex Jones, and probably the Q-anon lady in Colorado.

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good stuff.

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