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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 19:34:31 GMT -5
Is every ted talk lame?
It feels like watching a ceo at a shareholders meeting talk for half an hour but manages to say nothing.
Post good ted talks and convince me im wrong
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 19:49:41 GMT -5
My absolute favorite. Everyone should watch it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 20:00:22 GMT -5
Basically just the one on income inequality from years ago. Most TEDx/TED is trash and premium mediocre liberal bullshit.
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Post by immortalrites on Jul 18, 2018 20:08:40 GMT -5
Basically just the one on income inequality from years ago. Most TEDx/TED is trash and premium mediocre liberal bullshit. So the one that TED refused to post online or whatever because it was "too political"? Haha. Absolutely agreed, though. TED is peak NPR liberal dweeb content.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 20:12:50 GMT -5
Basically just the one on income inequality from years ago. Most TEDx/TED is trash and premium mediocre liberal bullshit. So the one that TED refused to post online or whatever because it was "too political"? Haha. Absolutely agreed, though. TED is peak NPR liberal dweeb content. Can't like this post enough.
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Post by waste of space on Jul 18, 2018 20:26:05 GMT -5
An insufferable combination of inspirational marketing speak, pseudo-intellectual bullshit, and bland entertainment.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 20:47:21 GMT -5
Basically just the one on income inequality from years ago. Most TEDx/TED is trash and premium mediocre liberal bullshit. So the one that TED refused to post online or whatever because it was "too political"? Haha. Absolutely agreed, though. TED is peak NPR liberal dweeb content. What's npr liberal dweeb content? Is npr liberal now a pejorative?
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Post by immortalrites on Jul 18, 2018 20:57:23 GMT -5
So the one that TED refused to post online or whatever because it was "too political"? Haha. Absolutely agreed, though. TED is peak NPR liberal dweeb content. What's npr liberal dweeb content? Is npr liberal now a pejorative? It is if you're an unhinged leftist maniac like me that wants to push all the liberals into a volcano with a bulldozer. Real talk though, it's just a bunch of fairly pointless circle jerking within a format that isn't good at conveying complex ideas effectively. This article is a decent critique and mentions the talk on income equality that was basically brushed under the rug: www.alternet.org/story/155527/why_ted_is_a_massive%2C_money-soaked_orgy_of_self-congratulatory_futurism
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 1:58:59 GMT -5
the only good one
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Post by twocripplesdancing on Jul 19, 2018 4:39:24 GMT -5
Came to post. So fucking good.
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Post by judgesmails on Jul 19, 2018 5:35:46 GMT -5
So the one that TED refused to post online or whatever because it was "too political"? Haha. Absolutely agreed, though. TED is peak NPR liberal dweeb content. What's npr liberal dweeb content? Is npr liberal now a pejorative? Yes, you npr liberal dweeb.
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Post by roofies on Jul 19, 2018 5:49:11 GMT -5
Liberals = non-communist left-leaning people. To be truly left, you must believe in Communism as the almighty flawless ethos to abide by. Repent, you NPR scum.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 6:49:57 GMT -5
TED talks as a whole are just another strain of this bullshit aesthetic veneer promoting intellectual exploration with all the nice modest decorum that appeals to old and young tech and culture savvy types.
Watch paid programming on your local PBS when they didn't reach their funding goals and then go try watching a TED video. You'll see it clearly.
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Post by waste of space on Jul 19, 2018 7:19:56 GMT -5
I think this vastly overstates the negative impacts of TED. No one is relying on TED bullshit to save the world. TED sucks, but it is just entertainment, and to that end, just as detrimental as binge watching Netflix (or reading the average Guardian editorial). People like simple and entertaining stories delivered by charismatic people, and that's what TED gives them. If TED didn't exist, the world's many social, ecological, and economic problems would be no better or worse. However, the world might be better off if the culture that enables things like TED to thrive was different (the editorial kind of touches on that, but it seems to treat TED more as a cause than a symptom).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 7:47:50 GMT -5
I think this vastly overstates the negative impacts of TED. No one is relying on TED bullshit to save the world. TED sucks, but it is just entertainment, and to that end, just as detrimental as binge watching Netflix (or reading the average Guardian editorial). People like simple and entertaining stories delivered by charismatic people, and that's what TED gives them. If TED didn't exist, the world's many social, ecological, and economic problems would be no better or worse. However, the world might be better off if the culture that enables things like TED to thrive was different. I think it's the inverse. No one is hurt by trivia or binge watching Netflix. Societies are hurt when we take serious subjects down to the form of oversimplified infotainment. This idea is of "Well, it's better than x, or same as y..." is exactly the byproduct of such thinking. It's an epistemological problem mostly due to the mediums themselves. How is it that with the entire collection of human knowledge is at our fingertips but we routinely settle for diminishing memes, 10 minute YouTube lectures or animations, etc.? It requires serious dedication to learn an area of study, be able to be critically detached, and solve problems. The quality, quantity and access to entertainment has gotten much better while discussion of serious topics are diminished. It results in aliteracy, scientific illiteracy, lack of critical thinking skill, etc. and people have less understanding of basic functions of their society. That is not the business of TED. If you don't think there's some awful ideology at work here, browse Reddit, I Fucking Love Science and see the wide eye fetish of all things Elon Musk, Google, Amazon, Crypto, 3D printing, who are sure to save us all.
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Post by DrewBlood on Jul 19, 2018 8:01:37 GMT -5
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Post by unholywarcry on Jul 19, 2018 8:02:19 GMT -5
My absolute favorite. Everyone should watch it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 8:02:37 GMT -5
I'd say TED is a symptom but it's really no different from cradle to grave Baby Einstein, Sesame Street, TED Talks, Great Courses, etc. who made a killing selling the appearance of knowledge.
I consider that kind of stuff to be the cognitive equivalent of what a lot of diet and fitness industry bullshit peddlers trot out.
People are pretty evangelical about both of those things come to think of it. It's more of a social signifier to appear but is wonderfully gusied in that logic of "But it's better than nothing.. or It's not hurting anyone." It's insulated from criticism and the fact it takes hard work to learning or get fit.
But, the point is, there's a magic bullet for everything and is probably another symptom of how badly we even begin to think about problems. TED is to learning as 60 Second Abs is to fitness.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 8:10:19 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 8:12:11 GMT -5
keep it in the leftist thread, buddy.
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Post by DrewBlood on Jul 19, 2018 8:17:23 GMT -5
keep it in the leftist thread, buddy. don't tell me how to live my life
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 8:51:26 GMT -5
I'd say TED is a symptom but it's really no different from cradle to grave Baby Einstein, Sesame Street, TED Talks, Great Courses, etc. who made a killing selling the appearance of knowledge. Are you now an expert in child development? Its funny that you think the fat cats of pbs were making a killing off of sesame street.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 8:56:16 GMT -5
I'd say TED is a symptom but it's really no different from cradle to grave Baby Einstein, Sesame Street, TED Talks, Great Courses, etc. who made a killing selling the appearance of knowledge. Im going to quote this again because of how insanely stupid it is
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Post by koreangirls on Jul 19, 2018 9:13:34 GMT -5
I'd say TED is a symptom but it's really no different from cradle to grave Baby Einstein, Sesame Street, TED Talks, Great Courses, etc. who made a killing selling the appearance of knowledge. What's wrong with stuff like The Great Courses? They're just selling lectures. And I agree that you need a lot of time to gain knowledge on a topic, but I haven't seen any claims of theirs where they'd say you become an expert whatever you're listening to lectures on. It's totally on the consumer to make that misinterpretation. And if their lectures don't actually contain stuff that's incorrect, then I'm not sure how you can say they're selling just the appearance of knowledge. In that case, they're definitely selling knowledge, but due to the limited scope they can't go too in depth with stuff they talk about.
I don't watch TED talks myself, either, and it's for reasons you kind of touched on. But I don't agree that they're making anything worse. If whoever watches this comes away with a conclusion that he now knows all about a topic, that's their stupidity. For me, regardless of how they're done, they're a positive thing, because you at least get exposure to a topic, and you can do your own, more in-depth research later on your own. I mean, their motto is "ideas worth spreading", and that's all I take the talks as, as well. You hear about an idea and you get a brief introduction to it, but it's on you to make further conclusions.
tl;dr Don't be an idiot (not you, the viewer), and only take these lectures for what they are.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 9:19:01 GMT -5
I fell asleep reading this thread
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 9:24:04 GMT -5
I'd say TED is a symptom but it's really no different from cradle to grave Baby Einstein, Sesame Street, TED Talks, Great Courses, etc. who made a killing selling the appearance of knowledge. Are you now an expert in child development? Its funny that you think the fat cats of pbs were making a killing off of sesame street. No, but you can read the American Academy of Pediatrics (https://www.aap.org/en-us/advocacy-and-policy/aap-health-initiatives/Pages/Media-and-Children.aspx) and specialists like Dr. Brazelton and Dr. Elknd. ( www.commercialfreechildhood.org/sites/default/files/lettertozerotothree.pdf) Sesame Street isn't owned by PBS.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 9:37:28 GMT -5
I'd say TED is a symptom but it's really no different from cradle to grave Baby Einstein, Sesame Street, TED Talks, Great Courses, etc. who made a killing selling the appearance of knowledge. What's wrong with stuff like The Great Courses? They're just selling lectures. And I agree that you need a lot of time to gain knowledge on a topic, but I haven't seen any claims of theirs where they'd say you become an expert whatever you're listening to lectures on. It's totally on the consumer to make that misinterpretation. And if their lectures don't actually contain stuff that's incorrect, then I'm not sure how you can say they're selling just the appearance of knowledge. In that case, they're definitely selling knowledge, but due to the limited scope they can't go too in depth with stuff they talk about.
I don't watch TED talks myself, either, and it's for reasons you kind of touched on. But I don't agree that they're making anything worse. If whoever watches this comes away with a conclusion that he now knows all about a topic, that's their stupidity. For me, regardless of how they're done, they're a positive thing, because you at least get exposure to a topic, and you can do your own, more in-depth research later on your own. I mean, their motto is "ideas worth spreading", and that's all I take the talks as, as well. You hear about an idea and you get a brief introduction to it, but it's on you to make further conclusions.
tl;dr Don't be an idiot (not you, the viewer), and only take these lectures for what they are.
It isn't a question of content, it's form. It's an epistemic problem. Brains don't process information the same way through video versus print. I'm also skeptical of the idea that it's a user end problem. I'm sure some people will pause to think about a sentence or go jot down a note to reference and research later, but as a whole, it's detrimental to attention span, critical thinking skills and the ability to process and retain information. I don't think what we're talking about is the normal use here. I'll post a few studies and links to sum it up but I gotta learn how to format links on here.
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Post by waste of space on Jul 19, 2018 9:38:09 GMT -5
I think this vastly overstates the negative impacts of TED. No one is relying on TED bullshit to save the world. TED sucks, but it is just entertainment, and to that end, just as detrimental as binge watching Netflix (or reading the average Guardian editorial). People like simple and entertaining stories delivered by charismatic people, and that's what TED gives them. If TED didn't exist, the world's many social, ecological, and economic problems would be no better or worse. However, the world might be better off if the culture that enables things like TED to thrive was different. I think it's the inverse. No one is hurt by trivia or binge watching Netflix. Societies are hurt when we take serious subjects down to the form of oversimplified infotainment. This idea is of "Well, it's better than x, or same as y..." is exactly the byproduct of such thinking. issan epistemological problem mostly due to the mediums themselves. How is it that with the entire collection of human knowledge is at our fingertips but we routinely settle for diminishing memes, 10 minute YouTube lectures or animations, etc.? It requires serious dedication to learn an area of study, be able to be critically detached, and solve problems. The quality, quantity and access to entertainment has gotten much better while discussion of serious topics are diminished. It results in aliteracy, scientific illiteracy, lack of critical thinking skill, etc. and people have less understanding of basic functions of their society. That is not the business of TED. If you don't think there's some awful ideology at work here, browse Reddit, I fuckin' Love Science and see the wide eye fetish of all things Elon Musk, Google, Amazon, Crypto, 3D printing, who are sure to save us all. Of course Netflix and similar things hurt society, they reinforce the expectation of instant gratification and constant entertainment, especially at the expense of dedicated focus on anything else (as you stated). Watching 4-10 hours of TV in a day is done at the expense of anything else that requires your attention, and it is specifically programmed/desighned to accomplish this. TED talks are 15 minutes because people don't want to watch the same scene for any longer than this, and that is what TED amounts to, one scene in people's endless stream of online videos (I know you like Postman, and I'd argue that he would agree on this point). TED isn't directly responsible for this, but the media environment that it lives in is. I don't think I've ever met, talked to, or heard anyone say that they think TED is making a difference in the world. Obviously, it isn't. People are, however, entertained by it and probably feel some modest sense of inspiration equal to that of a motivational speaker invited to talk at their office, despite being ultimately worthless. The oversimplifcation of important and complex subjects is not new, the entire history of communication of specialist subjects to lay audiences has necessarily taken this form. On rereading these posts, I think our disagreement is somewhat vague. I guess my main point is that people haven't conflated serious discussion and entertainment, entertainment simply takes up a frighteningly large proportion of the average American's life (and in some cases, serious topics can also serve as topics of entertainment). People realize that this stuff is not an intellectual pursuit.
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