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Post by thezman on Sept 26, 2024 22:58:38 GMT -5
Okay but why didn't the main guy transform into a dinosaur and eat all the cops? Answer me that. (I think it did wade into the racism though... like when he asks the lady cop why she's stuck with the shitty car. Or maybe misogyny? Or probably both. It's more nuanced than people are giving it credit for.) I agree it touches on them but doesn’t emphasize, if that makes sense. Yeah, that's why people who ideologically oppose the questions that are being posed can enjoy the movie. Not sure what to think about that haha |
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Post by MMST3K on Sept 26, 2024 22:59:40 GMT -5
I rewatched 'The Warriors' (1979) tonight and didn't realize the overt influence it had on 'John Wick 4'. But imagine if in the middle of the movie he tried to get laid :-) "John Wickkkkkk, come out to playyyyyy" Love The Warriors.  |
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Post by MMST3K on Sept 26, 2024 23:00:27 GMT -5
can’t y’all stfu? i’m watching T2 dubbed in spanish on tv in mexico Watch T1 or STFU! |
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Post by Osama Vinladen Jiménez López🎅🎄 on Sept 26, 2024 23:01:11 GMT -5
i’ll see if the tv channel takes requests
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Post by solidsnake on Sept 26, 2024 23:01:40 GMT -5
I want S. Craig Zahler to make another movie.
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Post by MMST3K on Sept 26, 2024 23:03:47 GMT -5
i’ll see if the tv channel takes requests It better if not so help me god... |
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Post by antipasto on Sept 26, 2024 23:04:45 GMT -5
Bone Tomahawk was really good. I don't know why he made the natives actual monsters. Could have easily written around that. Idk seemed like he just wanted to make a cannibal-style movie that felt western and somewhat realistic. I liked that he had the native guy in the beginning just to be like “see? I’m not racist” I definitely felt like dragged across concrete had some goofy moments, like when the white girl was getting bullied by the black kids, and her mom was immediately like “she might get raped!” But I felt like this was intentionally exaggerated. I definitely don’t think he’s the alt-right chud that some critics have painted him as |
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Post by MMST3K on Sept 26, 2024 23:08:10 GMT -5
Bone Tomahawk was really good. I don't know why he made the natives actual monsters. Could have easily written around that. Idk seemed like he just wanted to make a cannibal-style movie that felt western and somewhat realistic. I liked that he had the native guy in the beginning just to be like “see? I’m not racist” I definitely felt like dragged across concrete had some goofy moments, like when the white girl was getting bullied by the black kids, and her mom was immediately like “she might get raped!” But I felt like this was intentionally exaggerated. I definitely don’t think he’s the alt-right chud that some critics have painted him as Idk what his motive is I just liked the movie. |
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Post by solidsnake on Sept 26, 2024 23:10:00 GMT -5
Bone Tomahawk was really good. I don't know why he made the natives actual monsters. Could have easily written around that. Idk seemed like he just wanted to make a cannibal-style movie that felt western and somewhat realistic. I liked that he had the native guy in the beginning just to be like “see? I’m not racist” I definitely felt like dragged across concrete had some goofy moments, like when the white girl was getting bullied by the black kids, and her mom was immediately like “she might get raped!” But I felt like this was intentionally exaggerated. I definitely don’t think he’s the alt-right chud that some critics have painted him as I think he probably has some right of center sensibilities, but he’s not an ideologue or asshole. I’ve long assumed he’s just some nerdy dude with a lot of talent and interests who got a shot to make his first feature on a low budget and knocked it out of the park. |
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Post by jaredfromsubway on Sept 26, 2024 23:32:08 GMT -5
Zahler is apparently a huge metal head, he's a big fan of Trhä. I guess he is also in a metal band, but I've never listened to his music.
He is supposed to be shooting his new movie pretty soon called The Bookie & The Bruiser with Vince Vaughn and Adrien Brody. Fred Malamed is also it. Supposed to take place in the 1950s.
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Post by thezman on Sept 26, 2024 23:36:52 GMT -5
Zahler is apparently a huge metal head, he's a big fan of Trhä. I guess he is also in a metal band, but I've never listened to his music. He is supposed to be shooting his new movie pretty soon called The Bookie & The Bruiser with Vince Vaughn and Adrien Brody. Fred Malamed is also it. Supposed to take place in the 1950s. He's a nut for music haha |
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Post by solidsnake on Sept 26, 2024 23:44:14 GMT -5
Zahler is apparently a huge metal head, he's a big fan of Trhä. I guess he is also in a metal band, but I've never listened to his music. He is supposed to be shooting his new movie pretty soon called The Bookie & The Bruiser with Vince Vaughn and Adrien Brody. Fred Malamed is also it. Supposed to take place in the 1950s. He's a nut for music haha Pretty endearing he put so much time into this. Reinforces my image of him as a nerdy dude. Guessing he could get into the weeds on a lot of different subjects. |
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Post by BlindJusticeIntoLastWarning on Sept 27, 2024 0:36:05 GMT -5
He fought a whole squad of redneck cops with martial arts and there were zero kills? What does this even mean He fought off a whole squad of cops without shooting and/or killing anyone. BJJ and Karate were enough apparently. |
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Post by BlindJusticeIntoLastWarning on Sept 27, 2024 0:38:29 GMT -5
i really hated Rebel Ridge. plot was asinine, coward writers couldn’t just have him light up a sheriff’s department. “well lets make another deal” (cops get beaten up) “okay we’re gonna make one more deal” (more cops get batman takedowns) - so fuckin dumb. and then at the end of the movie, who saves the protagonist from the bad cops? the good cops! sooo fuckin dumb. they really just need to make DORNER Don't forget...they were only corrupt because the police are underfunded (LOL). |
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Post by thezman on Sept 27, 2024 0:51:39 GMT -5
He fought off a whole squad of cops without shooting and/or killing anyone. BJJ and Karate were enough apparently. Yes? Why would he kill them then? |
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Post by Bussy Drippens on Sept 27, 2024 1:44:07 GMT -5
megalopolis is unbelievably bad. it’s like if Tommy Wiseau made Metropolis. take mushrooms and see it in IMAX
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Post by BlindJusticeIntoLastWarning on Sept 27, 2024 2:01:55 GMT -5
He fought off a whole squad of cops without shooting and/or killing anyone. BJJ and Karate were enough apparently. Yes? Why would he kill them then? For my entertainment |
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Post by andrewwhatever69 on Sept 27, 2024 2:58:14 GMT -5
I love it. I’m stoked for the rest. It premiered on a Thursday, but I guess new episodes are on Sundays. |
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Post by andrewwhatever69 on Sept 27, 2024 3:02:49 GMT -5
Green Room is still my favorite Saulnier movie. I do wanna go back and rewatch Blue Ruin. I guess Macon Blair did the screenplay for that new movie “brothers” with Josh Brolin and Peter Dinklage, and that shit looks funny.
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Post by dr strangelove on Sept 27, 2024 7:02:14 GMT -5
I've only seen Blue Ruin and Green Room, both were good so I don't know why I haven't seen some of his other stuff yet.
Back to Scream, while I only really love the first two, I agree that they are all perfectly watchable... I even sat through 3 seasons of that dumb TV show.
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Post by paulkersey on Sept 27, 2024 7:12:31 GMT -5
I won't defend that film other than fun but I will defend Saulnier. Me (PhD in movie watching studies) will watch everything Nikolaj Coster-Waldau stars in because Shotcaller, God is a Bullet, Small Crimes, and like 10 other of his recent films are those good writers and directors making this style work with no pretense. It's like when people were uncomfortable with Craig Zahler films but didn't know why. Absurd discussing a Netflix bag film like this. Its worth discussing because its an actual movie made by a real director and not the usual made-for-Netflix slop |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2024 7:17:21 GMT -5
I won't defend that film other than fun but I will defend Saulnier. Me (PhD in movie watching studies) will watch everything Nikolaj Coster-Waldau stars in because Shotcaller, God is a Bullet, Small Crimes, and like 10 other of his recent films are those good writers and directors making this style work with no pretense. It's like when people were uncomfortable with Craig Zahler films but didn't know why. Absurd discussing a Netflix bag film like this. Its worth discussing because its an actual movie made by a real director and not the usual made-for-Netflix slop I meant discussing "like this" in terms of what zman was talking about, as the movie in your head, rather than the intent. Saulnier rules. |
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Post by I Gave You Power on Sept 27, 2024 8:50:27 GMT -5
He fought off a whole squad of cops without shooting and/or killing anyone. BJJ and Karate were enough apparently. Yes? Why would he kill them then? Thank you. How you could watch that movie and think 'black guy kills entire police precinct in the south and walks away like nothing happens' works at any level is well fuckin' beyond me. |
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Post by solidsnake on Sept 27, 2024 8:58:21 GMT -5
Yes? Why would he kill them then? Thank you. How you could watch that movie and think 'black guy kills entire police precinct in the south and walks away like nothing happens' works at any level is well fuckin' beyond me. I’d also argue that from the movie’s perspective, all the cops don’t deserve to be killed. Doesn’t paint them as saints, but only two of them are textbook evil movie villains. Seems apparent that the whole department is corrupt, but they don’t know the sheer brutality and immorality of Don Johnson’s character until the climax. And enough of them relent or have the lightbulb moment at the end to provide assistance. |
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Post by solidsnake on Sept 27, 2024 9:00:13 GMT -5
Or, like other characters, they’ve rationalized it, until they reach the moment that they can’t.
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Post by BlindJusticeIntoLastWarning on Sept 27, 2024 9:11:57 GMT -5
Yes? Why would he kill them then? Thank you. How you could watch that movie and think 'black guy kills entire police precinct in the south and walks away like nothing happens' works at any level is well fuckin' beyond me. Is that less ridiculous than what played out in the movie? One dude (armed with karate) vs squad of southern cops (armed with an arsenal of military weapons) Outcome: not only does solo dude win this lopsided fight physically, he wins over the hearts and minds of the squad who escort him safely out of town after he beats the shit out of them |
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Post by variousmaterials on Sept 27, 2024 9:33:23 GMT -5
They escort him out of town because they want him gone. Their chief just shot a fellow officer and they learned another colleague broke into a woman's home and drugged her. They are all shown being corrupt within the system on some level, but maybe pitting them against one another was a step too far for some. Also, the chief was recorded shooting the fellow officer and they are all on record as being there. Murdering the man who didn't fire a lethal round at a cop probably isn't the best follow up move. And now there is a power vacuum as the chief is guaranteed to take the fall. The town is already complicit, so it is highly likely the chief and his buddy are positioned as the scapegoats and the rest of the precinct can continue acting how they want.
The cops are shown as trigger happy, while the protagonist uses non-lethal means to achieve his goals, which extend to helping the people responsible for his cousins' and the lady's situations get their comeuppance and then getting out of dodge. He is also a former member of the military complex in good standing, so him going full Dorner doesn't fit the character at all. The guy does what he can, which isn't much. If you're frustrated that the baddies didn't get their just desserts, well...I think that is a big part of the point.
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Post by BadScene on Sept 27, 2024 11:30:03 GMT -5
Bone Tomahawk is great. I like his other stuff, but making the cannibals actual monsters pushes the movie closer to horror, which would make for a good 31/31 list. His other films definitely push the boundaries in violence/gore for other genres, but never make that jump. While it's a western, making them monsters brought in the supernatural, which surprisingly lifted the tone for me at least.
And totally agreed on most of the takes re: Scream. 1) Original was absolutely a game-changer. 2) Even as bad as 3 was, it was legitimately funny. Parker Posey stole the fucking show. 3) While it was definitely always meta in a tongue-in-cheek way, 3 veered much closer toward comedy than the others. It was a tone shift that I don't think everyone enjoyed.
4 was definitely much better -- it balanced out with some legitimately rough scenes that caught me off guard after 3.
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Post by solidsnake on Sept 27, 2024 11:40:47 GMT -5
I think Scream 5 and 6 might be a bit better than the earlier ones, just cuz the Radio Silence guys direct with a bit more flair. Characters are worse though.
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Post by thezman on Sept 27, 2024 11:41:45 GMT -5
They escort him out of town because they want him gone. Their chief just shot a fellow officer and they learned another colleague broke into a woman's home and drugged her. They are all shown being corrupt within the system on some level, but maybe pitting them against one another was a step too far for some. Also, the chief was recorded shooting the fellow officer and they are all on record as being there. Murdering the man who didn't fire a lethal round at a cop probably isn't the best follow up move. And now there is a power vacuum as the chief is guaranteed to take the fall. The town is already complicit, so it is highly likely the chief and his buddy are positioned as the scapegoats and the rest of the precinct can continue acting how they want. The cops are shown as trigger happy, while the protagonist uses non-lethal means to achieve his goals, which extend to helping the people responsible for his cousins' and the lady's situations get their comeuppance and then getting out of dodge. He is also a former member of the military complex in good standing, so him going full Dorner doesn't fit the character at all. The guy does what he can, which isn't much. If you're frustrated that the baddies didn't get their just desserts, well...I think that is a big part of the point. Feels like I just watched a well trained poster use non lethal means to disarm a bunch of hard rockers flailing their complaints around |
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