☭POLITICS☭: Election Season Hell

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The #resistance moved left while completely destroying Bernie from all sides. 

Meanwhile this isn't a reasonable platform in 2018. Moderate Dems are already saying this is too radical and are siding with Sean Hannity....

[Deleted]

fuck seniors!

but seriously, there is nothing on there that doesn't make immediate sense. I have some broader problems with a federal job guarantee but nothing too major that I can reasonably bring up in the short-term.

[eyesofmadness]

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[blackapache]

Jun 28, 2018 19:01:44 GMT -5 @acroyals said:

The #resistance moved left while completely destroying Bernie from all sides. 

Meanwhile this isn't a reasonable platform in 2018. Moderate Dems are already saying this is too radical and are siding with Sean Hannity....

To quote AOC, "There is nothing radical about moral clarity in 2018."

[DrewBlood]

Ocasio-Cortez is campaigning on all the things we've been bitching about for years. everything in that screenshot is pure common sense, morally correct, and completely within our grasp. i'm glad more people are finding the courage and will to pursue these goals.

[Radiation]

I saw some leftist friends complaining that her gun stance is weak on social media

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Nothing is ever good enough when your politics are just social media identity posturing.

[Deleted]

I know everyone hates the WTO but it is what it is and basically runs global trade. Trump saying he'd leave doesn't scare me because Congress won't vote for that, what scares me is he vetos appointments of judges to weigh in on trade disputes. He's already done it once...

I know he's a "disrupter" but it is going to massively fuck up global stability fast. We're already hearing secondary sanctions on allies if they work with Iran.

On top of all that, when his team wen't to China for discussions months ago, they didn't negotiate, they straight up made a list of demands and the deadline is July 1st. China wasn't budging and then we got the tarriffs and beginning of a full blown trade war. Here's the demands:



China will unilaterally increase its imports of U.S. goods by at least $100 billion.

China will immediately cease protections and subsidies for any sectors related to its Made in China 2025 central economic plan, as well as eliminate tariff and non-tariff barriers on those sectors.

China will accept that it is a non-market economy under WTO rules (which would allow the United States to apply protective tariffs against Chinese exports).

China will accept American restrictions on Chinese investment-led acquisitions in the United States.

China will cease all technological/cyber theft as well as cease any and all policies which aim to force American firms to share technologies with China.
China will accept American quarterly reviews on all trade policies, and pre-commit to cooperation with American findings.

China will submit rosters of goods shipped to third countries so that China may not do end-runs around American import restrictions.

China will abandon all WTO cases it has prosecuted against the United States as regards any of the above issues and preemptively agree to launch no new ones.

[Aaron]

Jun 29, 2018 7:54:59 GMT -5 Radiation said:

I saw some leftist friends complaining that her gun stance is weak on social media

equally obnoxious: conservatives writing op-eds about how the Dems are shooting themselves in the foot by going "hard left". Ugh.......

[betrayedbylife]

Jun 28, 2018 11:42:57 GMT -5 𝖒𝖊𝖔𝖜𝖋𝖚𝖓𝖈𝖙𝖎𝖔𝖓 said:

So like, once this generation of old people dies, and we're the new old people, shit will be chill again, right

I don’t have a lot of faith. Imagine all the children being raised & buying into this shit. I lived in a fairly suburban area until recently and saw 10 year olds walking around with MAGA signs. This new generation on both sides is also incapable of having any moderate conversation, everything is black and white without any grey area and I think in the long run it’s just going to make an already bad political divide worse.

[Radiation]

Jun 29, 2018 17:47:43 GMT -5 betrayedbylife said:

Jun 28, 2018 11:42:57 GMT -5 𝖒𝖊𝖔𝖜𝖋𝖚𝖓𝖈𝖙𝖎𝖔𝖓 said:

So like, once this generation of old people dies, and we're the new old people, shit will be chill again, right

I don’t have a lot of faith. Imagine all the children being raised & buying into this shit. I lived in a fairly suburban area until recently and saw 10 year olds walking around with MAGA signs. This new generation on both sides is also incapable of having any moderate conversation, everything is black and white without any grey area and I think in the long run it’s just going to make an already bad political divide worse.

There will always be ignorance and the values of society will constantly be in a push / pull. Maybe it's trending positive tho in the long run......? History will tell

[bombsxwillxfly]

Jun 29, 2018 7:54:59 GMT -5 Radiation said:

I saw some leftist friends complaining that her gun stance is weak on social media

one of my biggest complains about modern leftists is their pretty hard stance against guns

POC will be and have been affected the most by gun laws and they are the demographic who needs the self defense most, tbh

the biggest problem with politics right now is, especially for the left is no one is left enough. leftists will keep digging and digging into a leftist until they find enough reason to abandon. you can’t please them.

i consider myself a leftist, but because i’m critidal of modern feminism i’m not “left enough” and have been called a pick me pro capitalist advocate of patriarchy. it’s kind of become ridiculous at this point.

[betrayedbylife]

Jun 29, 2018 18:04:58 GMT -5 Radiation said:

Jun 29, 2018 17:47:43 GMT -5 betrayedbylife said:

I don’t have a lot of faith. Imagine all the children being raised & buying into this shit. I lived in a fairly suburban area until recently and saw 10 year olds walking around with MAGA signs. This new generation on both sides is also incapable of having any moderate conversation, everything is black and white without any grey area and I think in the long run it’s just going to make an already bad political divide worse.

There will always be ignorance and the values of society will constantly be in a push / pull. Maybe it's trending positive tho in the long run......? History will tell

I think we’re shifting too far, but you’re right. Hopefully things won’t seem bleak but it’s hard not to be discouraged about it.

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It's easy to be optimistic about demographics but turn out always sucks. It doesn't matter how progressive your views are if you stay home on election day or are confined to a couple dozen cities across the country.

Polarization will only get worse and basic civic education is severely lacking. Younger people are always more liberal but that's a silver lining. It doesn't really matter if 200,000 young people vote in NY for two Senators when all it takes is 5,000 young Republicans in both Dakotas to determine four seats.

[Radiation]

Jun 29, 2018 18:31:00 GMT -5 bombsxwillxfly said:

Jun 29, 2018 7:54:59 GMT -5 Radiation said:

I saw some leftist friends complaining that her gun stance is weak on social media

one of my biggest complains about modern leftists is their pretty hard stance against guns

POC will be and have been affected the most by gun laws and they are the demographic who needs the self defense most, tbh

the biggest problem with politics right now is, especially for the left is no one is left enough. leftists will keep digging and digging into a leftist until they find enough reason to abandon. you can’t please them.

i consider myself a leftist, but because i’m critidal of modern feminism i’m not “left enough” and have been called a piqq me pro capitalist advocate of patriarchy. it’s kind of become ridiculous at this point.

Coming from a social group with a lot of people that are sort of that successful jewish woman stereotype... They definitely seem impossible to please. As corny as it is, I think a big problem for Bernie Sanders during the primary was that even when he started getting worshiped it seemed like the closer it got to election day the more leftists could not settle for him. I think the social media aspect of modern leftist politics has given a platform for so much flexing and dick measuring that it becomes rather defeatist... IMO. I'm not saying anyone is above criticism but we're in a shitty game and, unfortunately, sometimes it's just time to fucking play.

The gun thing feels so paradoxical to me and I don't really know what the solution is. I agree that there are marginalized people that have legitimate reasons for owning firearms but it feels like that also is going to inherently continue gun violence. Idk. I've thought about this many times and I don't know how to feel about it so I just put it aside in my head until something makes sense.

[betrayedbylife]

In my view, guns aren’t the issue. Accessibility is WAY too easy. The NRA has been successful at lobbying and we need to take a hard look at sensible gun legislation.

[lobsterdog]

we should repeal the 2nd amendment tbh

[Deleted]

Of all the terrible headlines this administration produces, Kennedy resigning and the dorito president getting to elect a second SC judge is one of the most devastating. We don't have to just weather 4 years and hope the Democrats manage to get their shit together, he now gets to have a very, very serious long lasting impression on the country. The idea that Roe v Wade could be overturned or at the very least be gutted in 2018, when Ireland overwhelming voted to legalize abortion, is completely insane.

[Deleted]

Jun 29, 2018 22:35:03 GMT -5 lobsterdog said:

we should repeal the 2nd amendment tbh

can't trust the state enough to repeal that.

[lobsterdog]

i mean the democrats COULD just pack the courts when they retake power.


they wont, because they are feckless goobers who actively hate wielding power... but they COULD.

[Aaron]

Dana Loesch blocked me on twitter. lol. She sucks so much.

[bombsxwillxfly]

Jun 29, 2018 19:35:05 GMT -5 Radiation said:

Jun 29, 2018 18:31:00 GMT -5 bombsxwillxfly said:

one of my biggest complains about modern leftists is their pretty hard stance against guns

POC will be and have been affected the most by gun laws and they are the demographic who needs the self defense most, tbh

the biggest problem with politics right now is, especially for the left is no one is left enough. leftists will keep digging and digging into a leftist until they find enough reason to abandon. you can’t please them.

i consider myself a leftist, but because i’m critidal of modern feminism i’m not “left enough” and have been called a piqq me pro capitalist advocate of patriarchy. it’s kind of become ridiculous at this point.

Coming from a social group with a lot of people that are sort of that successful jewish woman stereotype... They definitely seem impossible to please. As corny as it is, I think a big problem for Bernie Sanders during the primary was that even when he started getting worshiped it seemed like the closer it got to election day the more leftists could not settle for him. I think the social media aspect of modern leftist politics has given a platform for so much flexing and diqq measuring that it becomes rather defeatist... IMO. I'm not saying anyone is above criticism but we're in a shitty game and, unfortunately, sometimes it's just time to fonking play.

The gun thing feels so paradoxical to me and I don't really know what the solution is. I agree that there are marginalized people that have legitimate reasons for owning firearms but it feels like that also is going to inherently continue gun violence. Idk. I've thought about this many times and I don't know how to feel about it so I just put it aside in my head until something makes sense.

Put perfectly. it’s my biggest issue with left leaning people. Many also like to deflect to republicans and the right whenever there’s constructive criticism brought to the table regarding leftists, dems or liberals. Majority of us already know republicans and the right are trash.. there’s no lack of criticism on that front. but we should be able to disagree with left leaning people and trends without hyperbole thrown our way IE being called a right wing capitalists etc if we don’t march to the beat of the drum or agree with the echo chamber

also, ‘intellectual’ leftists need to understand how vital it is to use language that your average middle class person will understand, not just a thesaurus of common radical leftist language.

not all left leaning people are radicals and that’s OK. shit, i used to be a hardcore radical feminist, not so much anymore. and offer more criticism to modern feminism than not. but i still consider myself an anti-authoritarian humanist. at the base of most genuine leftists, i feel that should be the objective. and we can never get to where it is we hope to be as a country if we’re always tearing down any leftist figure head and hyper bowling then into corporate pro patriarch capitalists at any chance. yes, discourse and criticism is necessary, but therwe respectful ways to offer that without shooting our selves in the foot constantly.

[bombsxwillxfly]

Jun 29, 2018 22:35:03 GMT -5 lobsterdog said:

we should repeal the 2nd amendment tbh

i don’t know about going that far but i definitely think gun rights should be federal and not by state

personally, as someone who struggles with mental illness (specifically bipolar), i have no issue with not being able to own a firearm. at least, not in the state of mass because you can’t here if you’ve been hospitalized for mental illness.

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I'm not sure how you're using the word "feminist" there. Describing oneself as a humanist but not a feminist seems at odds.

[bombsxwillxfly]

Jun 29, 2018 23:18:12 GMT -5 @spsp said:

I'm not sure how you're using the word "feminist" there. Describing oneself as a humanist but not a feminist seems at odds.

key word being MODERN.

i feel like a lot of modern feminists discourse advocates perpetual victim hood and the idea that women are soft and weak etc basically the same propaganda and talk that existed in the 1900s.

it bothers me the lack of advocacy in regards to self defense and operating on ideology and dialogue and not reality.

yes, it would be nice to not have to worry about being raped. but that’s not the reality in which we live in and i wish more feminists would be vocal advocates of that.

i also disagree with most modern feminists apinions across various topics, not just because of my personal experiences but because the research and knowledge i’ve received and done in terms of psychology IE: promiscuity

[roofies]

Jun 29, 2018 22:35:03 GMT -5 lobsterdog said:

we should repeal the 2nd amendment tbh

I cant even fathom thinking this is a solution, let alone something to be considered. Like just hypothetically say it's repelled -then what? Feds and cops go to go after all gun owners and take their guns by force? Basically the NRA's wet dream of an armed revolution is reality then. 

[roofies]

Jun 29, 2018 23:29:23 GMT -5 bombsxwillxfly said:

Jun 29, 2018 23:18:12 GMT -5 @spsp said:

I'm not sure how you're using the word "feminist" there. Describing oneself as a humanist but not a feminist seems at odds.

key word being MODERN.

i feel like a lot of modern feminists discourse advocates perpetual victim hood and the idea that women are soft and weak etc basically the same propaganda and talk that existed in the 1900s.


i also disagree with most modern feminists apinions across various topics, not just because of my personal experiences but because the research and knowledge i’ve received and done in terms of psychology IE: promiscuity

Feminism as a whole is at odds with itself. There's waves, and each wave sees the one above it as extreme. Ive been seeing a lot of fire directed at TERF's, who are feminists, but have issues with the newest wave of feminism. So I agree with you, and saying you're a feminist these days can mean many different things. Unfortunately. 

[Spice 1]

Jun 30, 2018 5:41:16 GMT -5 roofies said:

Jun 29, 2018 22:35:03 GMT -5 lobsterdog said:

we should repeal the 2nd amendment tbh

I cant even fathom thinking this is a solution, let alone something to be considered. Like just hypothetically say it's repelled -then what? Feds and cops go to go after all gun owners and take their guns by force? Basically the NRA's wet dream of an armed revolution is reality then. 

It’s messy for sure, but repealing the amendment should not be conflated with seizure. There are plenty of freedoms that are not guaranteed within the Constitution that are still enjoyed. I think repealing the 2nd amendment would be more important ideologically than in pragmatism. We need to divorce this notion that gun ownership is some sort of divine mandate protected by the Constitution. I think repealing the 2nd amendment would be a step in the correct direction.

As far as implementation goes, in the sense of actually reducing the number of guns, it’s pretty bleak. You would need to offer federal buyback programs and other sorts of subsidies. At the same time every gun owner would be grandfathered in because your sentiment is correct, forcible seizure, on a massive level, would serve only to create an armed revolt against “government tyranny.”

It’s all for naught though, because the 2nd amendment will NEVER be repealed.

[theywalkedinline]

When Roe v. Wade is overturned will the left continue to blog about the sushi in their college dining hall not being authentic? Or will they get the fucking hint?

[Deleted]

I'm not being hyperbolic, this is an end of the world as we know it situation. Regardless of how you feel about the post WW2 global order, there is no plan or architecture for what's next.

What worries me is everyone who was supposed to keep Trump in line are gone and it has been speeding up ever since. The G7 meeting showed our allies and the world that Trump was serious. 

The damage he can do over the next 2 years is serious and if that becomes another 6... I can't even imagine.