☭POLITICS☭: Election Season Hell

[Aaron]

DDS - Saying all the right things to give me nightmares

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[lobsterdog]

she doesn't even matter. its 6-3 for the rest of our lives already.

[heathenist]

Jun 30, 2018 5:49:09 GMT -5 roofies said:

Jun 29, 2018 23:29:23 GMT -5 bombsxwillxfly said:

key word being MODERN.

i feel like a lot of modern feminists discourse advocates perpetual victim hood and the idea that women are soft and weak etc basically the same propaganda and talk that existed in the 1900s.


i also disagree with most modern feminists apinions across various topics, not just because of my personal experiences but because the research and knowledge i’ve received and done in terms of psychology IE: promiscuity

Feminism as a whole is at odds with itself. There's waves, and each wave sees the one above it as extreme. Ive been seeing a lot of fire directed at TERF's, who are feminists, but have issues with the newest wave of feminism. So I agree with you, and saying you're a feminist these days can mean many different things. Unfortunately. 

Jesus Christ you both sound like turds. I’m pretty sure bombswillfly has mansplained feminism to a lot of women. I’d love to hear how your extensive background in psychology supports your ideas about feminism, particularly promiscuity. In what way are feminists perpetuating themselves as victims? Unless you’re referring to the fact that women are becoming more outspoken against sexual abuse.

Also, Roofies, do you know what a TERF is or why most feminists don’t like them?

[The new Jan Brady]

Jun 30, 2018 5:49:09 GMT -5 roofies said:

Jun 29, 2018 23:29:23 GMT -5 bombsxwillxfly said:

key word being MODERN.

i feel like a lot of modern feminists discourse advocates perpetual victim hood and the idea that women are soft and weak etc basically the same propaganda and talk that existed in the 1900s.


i also disagree with most modern feminists apinions across various topics, not just because of my personal experiences but because the research and knowledge i’ve received and done in terms of psychology IE: promiscuity

Feminism as a whole is at odds with itself. There's waves, and each wave sees the one above it as extreme. Ive been seeing a lot of fire directed at TERF's, who are feminists, but have issues with the newest wave of feminism. So I agree with you, and saying you're a feminist these days can mean many different things. Unfortunately. 

Cuz TERFS are terrible people. Either your feminism includes all women or it isn't feminism

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Jun 30, 2018 15:04:11 GMT -5 lobsterdog said:

she doesn't even matter. its 6-3 for the rest of our lives already.

Democrats could get into power, grow a spine and pack the courts... Each progressively seems more difficult though.

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Plot twist, bombsxwillxfly is a woman.

[roofies]

Jun 30, 2018 15:15:01 GMT -5 The new Jan Brady said:

Jun 30, 2018 5:49:09 GMT -5 roofies said:

Feminism as a whole is at odds with itself. There's waves, and each wave sees the one above it as extreme. Ive been seeing a lot of fire directed at TERF's, who are feminists, but have issues with the newest wave of feminism. So I agree with you, and saying you're a feminist these days can mean many different things. Unfortunately. 

Cuz TERFS are terrible people. Either your feminism includes all women or it isn't feminism

Does feminism include women on the far right? Does it include Sarah Huckabee Sanders? OF course it doesn't. So it doesn't include all women. Anyone can say there's objective rules to feminism. But the point is, feminism is created by a small groups of people, for a small group of people. But across the board the point is "feminism" as a whole isn't one cohesive system all fighting for the same goals. You can say and think it is, and toss out people you don't believe are true and real feminist, but in reality, they fit the mold of how feminism was just one generation ago.  

[heathenist]

Jun 30, 2018 15:39:09 GMT -5 roofies said:

Jun 30, 2018 15:15:01 GMT -5 The new Jan Brady said:

Cuz TERFS are terrible people. Either your feminism includes all women or it isn't feminism

Does feminism include women on the far right? Does it include Sarah Huckabee Sanders? OF course it doesn't. So it doesn't include all women. Anyone can say there's objective rules to feminism. But the point is, feminism is created by a small groups of people, for a small group of people. But across the board the point is "feminism" as a whole isn't one cohesive system all fighting for the same goals. You can say and think it is, and toss out people you don't believe are true and real feminist, but in reality, they fit the mold of how feminism was just one generation ago.  

Of course there are divisions within feminism, but divisions exist within literally every social movement. Do you also have the same problems with all other social movements because there are fissures? Feminism is continually evolving, that should be expected and we should be critical of previous ways of feminism that were exclusionary. That doesn’t mean those feminists of previous generations didn’t do good things, but the goal is to do better, why is that a bad thing?

[heathenist]

Jun 30, 2018 15:27:16 GMT -5 @acroyals said:

Plot twist, bombsxwillxfly is a woman.

Hahaha I guess then the joke would be on me and it would make me the manspainer. People are allowed to be critical of feminism, and should be, but those criticisms should be about how it can be made better. Some of the best transformations of feminism have been a result of other feminists being critical of the state of feminism. I.e. including women of color in the fight for suffrage, shifting from protective rights to equal rights (though, I think this debate needs to happen again and be reconsidered), the inclusion of trans women, etc.

[roofies]

Its not a bad thing to evolve. But its certainly not a good thing when there are petty divisions within it. It weakens the movement. This is the case within any movement.

The topic was feminism. If you wanna talk about neo-nazi movements we can, and the same thing applies to them. Actually to the point of them being even more self-destructive. Human nature is pretty predictable, especially in social groups. So it's the same across the board, no matter if what you are fighting for is "good" or "bad". The moment you start to infight within a group, its destroys the whole fabric of the group. So its an issue feminism needs to deal with if it chooses to actually make a positive difference.

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Incredible to suggest feminism doesn't incorporate women of differing ideological camps. The advances incorporate all of them regardless of their apinions on them. Where are feminists out there saying Sarah Sanders should be excluded from policies or social norms gained? Some are saying trans should be. Completely different.

[roofies]

So admit feminism (as you see it) is purely an ideological movement, and not a true humanist movement.

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Jun 30, 2018 16:10:43 GMT -5 roofies said:

So admit feminism (as you see it) is purely an ideological movement, and not a true humanist movement.

Humanism is ideology.  What are you really getting at?

[bombsxwillxfly]

Jun 30, 2018 15:05:44 GMT -5 heathenist said:

Jun 30, 2018 5:49:09 GMT -5 roofies said:

Feminism as a whole is at odds with itself. There's waves, and each wave sees the one above it as extreme. Ive been seeing a lot of fire directed at TERF's, who are feminists, but have issues with the newest wave of feminism. So I agree with you, and saying you're a feminist these days can mean many different things. Unfortunately. 

Jesus Christ you both sound like turds. I’m pretty sure bombswillfly has mansplained feminism to a lot of women. I’d love to hear how your extensive background in psychology supports your ideas about feminism, particularly promiscuity. In what way are feminists perpetuating themselves as victims? Unless you’re referring to the fact that women are becoming more outspoken against sexual abuse.

Also, Roofies, do you know what a TERF is or why most feminists don’t like them?

i’m a women. nice try, though. the irony of a male telling a women she’s ‘mansplaining’ lol

promiscuity within psychology and mental health is considered a symptom of mental illness

. and many modern feminists who perpetuate the idea that sex for women can be empowering are lying to the themselves and others about the sexual dynamic difference between men and women.

im out right now and my phones about to die but i’ll go more into detail later

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[bombsxwillxfly]

Jun 30, 2018 15:05:44 GMT -5 heathenist said:

Jun 30, 2018 5:49:09 GMT -5 roofies said:

Feminism as a whole is at odds with itself. There's waves, and each wave sees the one above it as extreme. Ive been seeing a lot of fire directed at TERF's, who are feminists, but have issues with the newest wave of feminism. So I agree with you, and saying you're a feminist these days can mean many different things. Unfortunately. 

Jesus Christ you both sound like turds. I’m pretty sure bombswillfly has mansplained feminism to a lot of women. I’d love to hear how your extensive background in psychology supports your ideas about feminism, particularly promiscuity. In what way are feminists perpetuating themselves as victims? Unless you’re referring to the fact that women are becoming more outspoken against sexual abuse.

Also, Roofies, do you know what a TERF is or why most feminists don’t like them?

by not advocating for self defense, for one.

we know that in the eyes of the justice system rape, especially by rich men is given a pass. it’s time we take the proper measures into our own hands, legally and stop giving up our power. modern feminism and most feminists don’t even discuss self defense, ever. and the lack of said discussion encourages and tells women that no matter what we are to be victims, have no power to defend our selves or should even try. Essentially, it encourages what a lot of prominent feminists originally pushed back against.. powerlessness.

further explanation on the topic of promiscuity and women using sex as a way to feel ‘powerful’ and modern feminists promoting it..


your average male sees themselves as dominant and women as submissive (unless you’re a guy into being dominated as a fetish). a lot of races of men not liking their own race of women with men of a different race prove this because how they see sex. men not liking women who been around the block proves this sexual dynamic as well. there’s no secret that many white men will not date or lose attraction to a white women if they find out she has had sex or been in a relationship with a black male. there’s also many men of other races who don’t like seeing women of their own race dating out either because they view it as ‘their’ women being submissive to someone or a different race. many men don’t want to date a women who has had more than a few sex partners. women don’t feel that way about any of those things. we generally do not care if a guy of our own race sleeps with someone of a different race. we don’t have terms or made up terms like ‘mudshark’ ‘bedwench’ to refer to someone of the same race sleeping with someone of a different race.

this is just the way the world IS and how sex dynamics have been for centuries. so in a world where men are inherently seen or see themselves as dominant and a women as submissive, UNLESS there’s a clear understanding and desire for the male to play a submissive role sexually then sex can not be a power play for women, at least not currently.

[stephanie]

Jun 30, 2018 17:02:52 GMT -5 @geneweenondrugs said:

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Camille Pagila has been at that forever.

[lobsterdog]

Jun 30, 2018 15:16:36 GMT -5 @acroyals said:

Jun 30, 2018 15:04:11 GMT -5 lobsterdog said:

she doesn't even matter. its 6-3 for the rest of our lives already.

Democrats could get into power, grow a spine and pack the courts... Each progressively seems more difficult though.

yeah but you and i both know they're not going to. not unless the entire leadership structure is dismantled and replaced. if f.uckin chuck shumer and nancy pelosi are still the people calling the plays, nothing good will ever happen.

[lobsterdog]

also f.uck TERFS. actually don't f.uck them, let those awful people die alone.

[Deleted]

street brawl in Portland

[Deleted]

Looks like a few of them protected an opposition/antifa while he was on the ground after getting laid out.

Civility! <3

[itii]

[MMST3K]

Jun 28, 2018 18:20:29 GMT -5 roofies said:

Ive never heard of this dude, but imagine how fonked your brain has to buy into this shit....

Ya know because conservatives are more put upon than people who have died cause they wanted to have sex with men

[DrewBlood]

...right-wing groups led by Congressional candidate Joey Gibson returned to Portland in greater numbers than have been seen since last summer, seemingly bent on wresting back the spotlight with street violence...

www.wweek.com/news/2018/06/30/portland-police-declare-a-riot-after-right-wing-marchers-begin-beating-antifascists-with-flag-poles/

^more from what spsp posted. in one of the most progressive cities in america we've got a white nationalist running for office leading a gang of neck bearded unfuckable losers in a coordinated attack using weapons that the Portland Police Department - AGAINST THEIR OWN INTERNAL POLICY - ALLOWED them to have.

[itii]

Jul 1, 2018 14:17:03 GMT -5 DrewBlood said:

...right-wing groups led by Congressional candidate Joey Gibson returned to Portland in greater numbers than have been seen since last summer, seemingly bent on wresting back the spotlight with street violence...

www.wweek.com/news/2018/06/30/portland-police-declare-a-riot-after-right-wing-marchers-begin-beating-antifascists-with-flag-poles/

^more from what spsp posted. in one of the most progressive cities in america we've got a white nationalist running for office leading a gang of neck bearded unfonkable losers in a coordinated attack using weapons that the Portland Police Department - AGAINST THEIR OWN INTERNAL POLICY - ALLOWED them to have.

There's a lot of progressive thought in pdx, but people don't seem to seriously understand how deeply rooted white nationalism is in the actual state of Oregon or how much of the progressive thought is brought by transplants.


www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2017/active-patriot-groups-us-2016

Oregon had 28 active "patriot" groups and I doubt that number's gotten any smaller.

[The new Jan Brady]

Jun 30, 2018 15:54:41 GMT -5 heathenist said:

Jun 30, 2018 15:27:16 GMT -5 @acroyals said:

Plot twist, bombsxwillxfly is a woman.

Hahaha I guess then the joke would be on me and it would make me the manspainer. People are allowed to be critical of feminism, and should be, but those criticisms should be about how it can be made better. Some of the best transformations of feminism have been a result of other feminists being critical of the state of feminism. I.e. including women of color in the fight for suffrage, shifting from protective rights to equal rights (though, I think this debate needs to happen again and be reconsidered), the inclusion of trans women, etc.

Love youuuuu

[The new Jan Brady]

Jun 30, 2018 15:39:09 GMT -5 roofies said:

Jun 30, 2018 15:15:01 GMT -5 The new Jan Brady said:

Cuz TERFS are terrible people. Either your feminism includes all women or it isn't feminism

Does feminism include women on the far right? Does it include Sarah Huckabee Sanders? OF course it doesn't. So it doesn't include all women. Anyone can say there's objective rules to feminism. But the point is, feminism is created by a small groups of people, for a small group of people. But across the board the point is "feminism" as a whole isn't one cohesive system all fighting for the same goals. You can say and think it is, and toss out people you don't believe are true and real feminist, but in reality, they fit the mold of how feminism was just one generation ago.  

Sorry this is boring.

[Deleted]

Jul 1, 2018 17:22:31 GMT -5 The new Jan Brady said:

Jun 30, 2018 15:39:09 GMT -5 roofies said:

Does feminism include women on the far right? Does it include Sarah Huckabee Sanders? OF course it doesn't. So it doesn't include all women. Anyone can say there's objective rules to feminism. But the point is, feminism is created by a small groups of people, for a small group of people. But across the board the point is "feminism" as a whole isn't one cohesive system all fighting for the same goals. You can say and think it is, and toss out people you don't believe are true and real feminist, but in reality, they fit the mold of how feminism was just one generation ago.  

Sorry this is boring.

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