☭POLITICS☭: Election Season Hell

[johnny two cool]

Nah, the Nazis didn't just want the Jews to leave. That's definitely false. There were Jews who were exiled (largely intellectuals and others with name recognition and cultural status) in the 1930s and Jewish emigration was encouraged, but by the early 1940s there were many Jews who attempted to flee Germany and were unable to do so because it was explicitly forbidden.

[meatballmaniac]

Is that anything like Israel telling the Palestinians to go to Egypt and then bombing their evacuation routes, refugee camps, and aid stations?

[johnny two cool]

Is Egypt willing to accept Palestinian refugees from Gaza?

[meatballmaniac]

I’m saying Israel didn’t just want them to leave either.

[meatballmaniac]

Narc you are such a weirdly pathological contrarian

[The Last Online Marxist]

they dont call him cute jim for nothin

[Ted Mujint]

Damn Narc this is such a bummer plz don't be denying the genocide happening right now

[thefarce]

Aug 27, 2024 20:56:58 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

Aug 27, 2024 20:47:02 GMT -5 thefarce said:

"The definition contained in Article II of the Convention (on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide) describes genocide as a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part."

Still a genocide.

Nope, it’s not. It does qualify as ethnic cleansing, because Israel wants to remove an ethnic group, either by outright violence or a campaign of political and economic subjugation. You have two groups engaging in organized military activity against each other over a territorial dispute and one group has an incredible advantage over the other (the backing of the US military). The goal isn’t to eliminate Palestinians, but to make their lives so miserable that they will leave. Israel has deliberately danced around the legal line here.

Narc, I say this with love: pedantry is insanely gay 

[Ronaldo Artest]

we got genocide denying on board and it ain't by anointed or mots... wild days

[johnny two cool]

In January 2024, advocated for an January 2024, Intelligence Minister Gila Gamliel advocated for a "voluntary migration" program for Gaza after the end of fighting. Right now, Egypt is barely accepting any refugees. Neither is Jordan. Or other countries. Rhetorically, countries that do not accept Palestinian refugees often claim that it is because the refugees will not be granted a right to return -- which is true, because Israel has consistently prevented Palestinians from returning to land Israel has seized. It's pretty clear that language around "right of return" does not completely explain other countries' reason for refusing to accept refugees (because that reasoning seems to apply to many other refugee groups around the world). Palestinians aren't allowed to stay and they aren't allowed to leave, either.

[johnny two cool]

Aug 28, 2024 11:18:26 GMT -5 Ted Mujint said:

Damn Narc this is such a bummer plz don't be denying the genocide happening right now

I'm not. I laid out the argument people make for why what Israel is doing doesn’t legally count as genocide. And if it doesn't legally count as genocide, then the obligations on other states is less stringent. Worded it poorly and was a bit too neutral, which was wrong.

[carl carlson]

ah yes at the end of the fighting with no end and only more indiscriminate bombing in sight

[Ass Dan]

Aug 28, 2024 9:31:18 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

The Last Online Marxist, can I still be a commie if I think that markets are the most efficient way of solving coordination problems and allocating resources in at least a few key circumstances?

“ Competition . . . brings about the only . . . arrangement of social production which is possible . . . (Otherwise) what guarantee (do) we have that the necessary quantity and not more of each product will be produced, that we shall not go hungry in regard to corn and meat while we are choked in beet sugar and drowned in potato spirit, that we shall not lack trousers to cover our nakedness while buttons flood us in millions?”

[Magnum P.P.]

[Ass Dan]

“If there existed the universal mind that . . . would register simultaneously all the processes of nature and of society, that could forecast the results of their inter-reactions, such a mind . . . could . . . draw up a faultless and an exhaustive economic plan. . . . In truth, the bureaucracy often conceives that just such a mind is at its disposal; that is why it so easily frees itself from the control of the market..”

[AL 🎄✨🦌]

"Hello? I'm looking for a man who goes by Stayfrostybro. Is this him? Look, narc is denying a genocide. Please come back. Sorry I kept making fun of you."

[johnny two cool]

Aug 28, 2024 11:31:26 GMT -5 AL 🎄✨🦌 said:

"Hello? I'm looking for a man who goes by Stayfrostybro. Is this him? Look, narc is denying a genocide. Please come back. Sorry I kept making fun of you."

No, I'm not!

[Frederik]

To defend NARC the legal definition of genocide (as defined by the UN) is vague and problematic because the states that had a hand in drafting it tried to turn it into a tool to cover their own geopolitical actions and as a cudgel against their rivals. It's why past instances that had strong evidence of genocide like Bangladesh in 1979 aren't considered genocide.

There's also how Israel defines genocide which only recognizes the Holocaust as a genocide. Which is a problem for obvious reasons.

[oatmeal]

Aug 28, 2024 11:50:52 GMT -5 Frederik said:

To defend NARC the legal definition of genocide (as defined by the UN) is vague and problematic because the states that had a hand in drafting it tried to turn it into a tool to cover their own geopolitical actions and as a cudgel against their rivals. It's why past instances that had strong evidence of genocide like Bangladesh in 1979 aren't considered genocide.

There's also how Israel defines genocide which only recognizes the Holocaust as a genocide. Which is a problem for obvious reasons.

don’t do this

[Frederik]

Aug 28, 2024 11:52:39 GMT -5 oatmeal said:

Aug 28, 2024 11:50:52 GMT -5 Frederik said:

To defend NARC the legal definition of genocide (as defined by the UN) is vague and problematic because the states that had a hand in drafting it tried to turn it into a tool to cover their own geopolitical actions and as a cudgel against their rivals. It's why past instances that had strong evidence of genocide like Bangladesh in 1979 aren't considered genocide.

There's also how Israel defines genocide which only recognizes the Holocaust as a genocide. Which is a problem for obvious reasons.

don’t do this

It's not his fault that the system that regulates international law is a joke

[AL 🎄✨🦌]

Ya if you read Marc Lamont Hill he lays out how Israel has historically used & drafted all legal text to skirt by and do whatever they've wanted. Narc technically isn't wrong I just wanted to post that.

Fun fact: chalie talked shit on this author as "the professor" at whatever Philly college where you could say the right things and pass.

[Mr. Dingle Foot]

Narc not only blaming undocumented immigrants for the failures of the LA transit system, he is a genocide denier.

The People love to see his downfall in real time.

[Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate]

Aug 28, 2024 11:00:54 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

Nah, the Nazis didn't just want the Jews to leave. That's definitely false. There were Jews who were exiled (largely intellectuals and others with name recognition and cultural status) in the 1930s and Jewish emigration was encouraged, but by the early 1940s there were many Jews who attempted to flee Germany and were unable to do so because it was explicitly forbidden.

Yeah those quotation marks were to indicate sarcasm, you bonehead.

[carl carlson]

Aug 28, 2024 11:59:14 GMT -5 AL 🎄✨🦌 said:

Ya if you read Marc Lamont Hill he lays out how Israel has historically used & drafted all legal text to skirt by and do whatever they've wanted. Narc technically isn't wrong I just wanted to post that.

Fun fact: chalie talked shit on this author as "the professor" at whatever Philly college where you could say the right things and pass.

didn’t they make a movie about it starring kevin sorbo

[throwdemgunz]

Aug 28, 2024 11:28:03 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

Aug 28, 2024 11:18:26 GMT -5 Ted Mujint said:

Damn Narc this is such a bummer plz don't be denying the genocide happening right now

I'm not. I laid out the argument people make for why what Israel is doing doesn’t legally count as genocide. And if it doesn't legally count as genocide, then the obligations on other states is less stringent. Worded it poorly and was a bit too neutral, which was wrong.

Ok maybe ask yourself why do you have such a hard on for playing the devils advocate on this specific subject?

[NUKE THE INTERNET]

Thread's giving me motion sickness.

[Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate]

Aug 28, 2024 12:12:17 GMT -5 NUKE THE INTERNET said:

Thread's giving me motion sickness.

Thread spins me right round baby right round

[NUKE THE INTERNET]

Aug 28, 2024 12:19:38 GMT -5 Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate said:

Aug 28, 2024 12:12:17 GMT -5 NUKE THE INTERNET said:

Thread's giving me motion sickness.

Thread spins me right round baby right round

Thank you, I felt I was treading dangerously close to a Phoebe Bridgers reference.

[johnny two cool]

Aug 28, 2024 12:01:50 GMT -5 Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate said:

Aug 28, 2024 11:00:54 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

Nah, the Nazis didn't just want the Jews to leave. That's definitely false. There were Jews who were exiled (largely intellectuals and others with name recognition and cultural status) in the 1930s and Jewish emigration was encouraged, but by the early 1940s there were many Jews who attempted to flee Germany and were unable to do so because it was explicitly forbidden.

Yeah those quotation marks were to indicate sarcasm, you bonehead.

Yeah, I know. Read the post again. Jews were explicitly forbidden from leaving. 

Anyway, here's an example of what happens when the state department or US Congress declares something a genocide: 

• democrats-foreignaffairs.house.gov/2024/7/meeks-celebrates-markup-of-bipartisan-rohingya-gap-act 
• www.cnn.com/2018/12/13/politics/house-resolution-myanmar-genocide/index.html

The U.S. (and other countries) have been accepting Burmese refugees for some time. The UN declared it a genocide. States act accordingly.

Currently, some states, international organizations, figures at the U.N. have claimed that Israel is committing a genocide.

How does Israel respond to this?

edit: whole press release didn't post, so here's excerpts:

• "As demonstrated in word and deed, Israel’s war is against Hamas, not against Palestinian civilians."
• "she tries to excuse Hamas of using Palestinians as human shields, takes its arguments as facts and takes Hamas death figures as gospel."
• "Israel utterly rejects the report. It is simply an extension of a campaign seeking to undermine the very establishment of the Jewish State."

[Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate]

Aug 28, 2024 12:22:28 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

Aug 28, 2024 12:01:50 GMT -5 Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate said:

Yeah those quotation marks were to indicate sarcasm, you bonehead.

Yeah, I know. Read the post again. Jews were explicitly forbidden from leaving. 

So, here's an example of what happens when the state department or US Congress declares something a genocide: 

• democrats-foreignaffairs.house.gov/2024/7/meeks-celebrates-markup-of-bipartisan-rohingya-gap-act 
• www.cnn.com/2018/12/13/politics/house-resolution-myanmar-genocide/index.html

The U.S. (and other countries) have been accepting Burmese refugees for some time. The UN declared it a genocide. 

Currently, some states, international organizations, figures at the U.N. have claimed that Israel is committing a genocide.

How does Israel respond to this?

No one gives a fuck how congress declares a genocide or what happens when they do. Congress is populated nearly exclusively by limp dicked hospice escapees. What they declare a genocide has little to no bearing on reality by any moral or ethical standard.