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Post by Aaron on Aug 29, 2024 12:13:04 GMT -5
It’s at least a little interesting that dumpster white conservatives have long been criticized by the left for refusing to vote for their own self-interests, but now the left is *checks notes* criticizing folks they’re most likely to share a tent with for voting for their own self-interests (however marginal they may be). This isn’t entirely fair. The democrats are also pretty shit and voting for them absolutely votes against many peoples self interest. Just because the dems do some things that benefit democrats, the republicans also do some things that benefit their base. Saying democrats vote against their our self interest is 100% valid, for the same reason it’s valid for republicans. The democrats just act against their bases interest more quietly, deceptively, and counter to their talking points. I don’t think the democrats doing good things for infrastructure or public funding really grants them the right to say they fully act in the interest of their voters. I think it’s pretty fair. But I’m also not long for these big exchanges, so it’s whatever. |
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Post by johnny two cool on Aug 29, 2024 12:13:54 GMT -5
It’s at least a little interesting that dumpster white conservatives have long been criticized by the left for refusing to vote for their own self-interests, but now the left is *checks notes* criticizing folks they’re most likely to share a tent with for voting for their own self-interests (however marginal they may be). This isn’t entirely fair. The democrats are also pretty shit and voting for them absolutely votes against many peoples self interest. Just because the dems do some things that benefit democrats, the republicans also do some things that benefit their base. Saying democrats vote against their our self interest is 100% valid, for the same reason it’s valid for republicans. The democrats just act against their bases interest more quietly, deceptively, and counter to their talking points. I don’t think the democrats doing good things for infrastructure or public funding really grants them the right to say they fully act in the interest of their voters.Cool, I got three off the top of my head: 49 US Code § 5329 Project Labor Agreement requirements Presidential Memorandum on Advancing Worker Empowerment, Rights, and High Labor Standards Globally (The Global Labor Directive) |
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Post by Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate on Aug 29, 2024 12:14:11 GMT -5
This isn’t entirely fair. The democrats are also pretty shit and voting for them absolutely votes against many peoples self interest. Just because the dems do some things that benefit democrats, the republicans also do some things that benefit their base. Saying democrats vote against their our self interest is 100% valid, for the same reason it’s valid for republicans. The democrats just act against their bases interest more quietly, deceptively, and counter to their talking points. I don’t think the democrats doing good things for infrastructure or public funding really grants them the right to say they fully act in the interest of their voters. What things do Republicans do for their base? Are you about to defend trust fund kids with the tax breaks or are you about to defend throwing trans people in ovens? Dear god no. That said, their base broadly wants shitty things and they act on some of it. Gun laws, increased discrimination and immigration enforcement, etc. These are things their base wants, that they act on. The base wanting these things, and the party enacting them, is the definition of the party acting in the bases self interest. They’re still awful cretins calling for and enacting heinous things. |
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Post by Osama Vinladen Jiménez López🎅🎄 on Aug 29, 2024 12:19:27 GMT -5
thread is triggering the trauma i experienced putting my recliner out to pasture last weekend, fuck copmala. i’m truly sorry to hear this, brother. we’re here for you 🙏 |
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Post by Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate on Aug 29, 2024 12:23:08 GMT -5
This isn’t entirely fair. The democrats are also pretty shit and voting for them absolutely votes against many peoples self interest. Just because the dems do some things that benefit democrats, the republicans also do some things that benefit their base. Saying democrats vote against their our self interest is 100% valid, for the same reason it’s valid for republicans. The democrats just act against their bases interest more quietly, deceptively, and counter to their talking points. I don’t think the democrats doing good things for infrastructure or public funding really grants them the right to say they fully act in the interest of their voters.Cool, I got three off the top of my head: 49 US Code § 5329 Project Labor Agreement requirements Presidential Memorandum on Advancing Worker Empowerment, Rights, and High Labor Standards Globally (The Global Labor Directive) Don’t do this again dude. Don’t ignore the words I wrote, and then cite things that don’t at all counter what I said. Read every word, there is one that is critical to comprehend what I said. “I don’t think democrats doing good things for infrastructure or public funding really grants them the right to say they fully act in the interest of their voters.” Fully, I said fully. In the context of the sentence, the use of the word fully is to demonstrate that they cannot say they entirely act in the interest of the base. It’s there to indicate a counter to the first half of the statement, where I acknowledge that they do *also* act in the interest of their base in some areas…but they do not act *fully*, or let’s try *completely* in the interest of their base. This is a very important distinction, because ignoring the fact that the party also does things that are directly counter to their bases interest matters. They are a wildly problematic and harmful party, albeit less so than the right, and they don’t deserve the luxury of people overlooking that. |
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Post by cruststache on Aug 29, 2024 12:24:14 GMT -5
What things do Republicans do for their base? Are you about to defend trust fund kids with the tax breaks or are you about to defend throwing trans people in ovens? Dear god no. That said, their base broadly wants shitty things and they act on some of it. Gun laws, increased discrimination and immigration enforcement, etc. These are things their base wants, that they act on. The base wanting these things, and the party enacting them, is the definition of the party acting in the bases self interest. They’re still awful cretins calling for and enacting heinous things. half the stuff they talk about only when they have no power, and then if they do what the parliamentarian will stop them. |
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Post by killedbyboard on Aug 29, 2024 12:25:49 GMT -5
It’s at least a little interesting that dumpster white conservatives have long been criticized by the left for refusing to vote for their own self-interests, but now the left is *checks notes* criticizing folks they’re most likely to share a tent with for voting for their own self-interests (however marginal they may be). This isn’t entirely fair. The democrats are also pretty shit and voting for them absolutely votes against many peoples self interest. Just because the dems do some things that benefit democrats, the republicans also do some things that benefit their base. Saying democrats vote against their our self interest is 100% valid, for the same reason it’s valid for republicans. The democrats just act against their bases interest more quietly, deceptively, and counter to their talking points. I don’t think the democrats doing good things for infrastructure or public funding really grants them the right to say they fully act in the interest of their voters. When your argument is based on vibes |
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Post by Aaron on Aug 29, 2024 12:31:00 GMT -5
To be fair, I said “however marginal they {interests} may be”
I’m under no illusion that Dems are world beaters when it comes to doing right by their constituents, but they’re the most likely to give us crumbs. As I’ve said other times, I’ll take crumbs over nothing. I’m not changing anything in my lifetime. I grew up dirt poor, so I’ll never have great expectations.
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Post by Porch Honky on Aug 29, 2024 12:36:15 GMT -5
I still want to know what electing Republicans is going to accomplish for workers. I wish one of the crust thrusts could answer that for me.
Your answer will be ignored if you use the words democrats in any way.
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Post by FEMA Sniper on Aug 29, 2024 12:38:18 GMT -5
I am very upset at her capital gains tax proposal despite it not affecting me now or in the future.
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Post by carl carlson on Aug 29, 2024 12:38:27 GMT -5
it’s going to fulfill the prophecy duh
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Post by johnny two cool on Aug 29, 2024 12:43:04 GMT -5
Cool, I got three off the top of my head: 49 US Code § 5329 Project Labor Agreement requirements Presidential Memorandum on Advancing Worker Empowerment, Rights, and High Labor Standards Globally (The Global Labor Directive) Don’t do this again dude. Don’t ignore the words I wrote, and then cite things that don’t at all counter what I said. Read every word, there is one that is critical to comprehend what I said. “I don’t think democrats doing good things for infrastructure or public funding really grants them the right to say they fully act in the interest of their voters.” Fully, I said fully. In the context of the sentence, the use of the word fully is to demonstrate that they cannot say they entirely act in the interest of the base. It’s there to indicate a counter to the first half of the statement, where I acknowledge that they do *also* act in the interest of their base in some areas…but they do not act *fully*, or let’s try *completely* in the interest of their base. This is a very important distinction, because ignoring the fact that the party also does things that are directly counter to their bases interest matters. They are a wildly problematic and harmful party, albeit less so than the right, and they don’t deserve the luxury of people overlooking that. Just brought up examples that are outside of infrastructure or public funding, that's all. |
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Post by Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate on Aug 29, 2024 12:53:54 GMT -5
Those were just two examples, not intended to imply they were the only things
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Post by johnny two cool on Aug 29, 2024 12:58:31 GMT -5
Is there an example of a party on the face of the earth that in your apinion acts fully in the interests of its voters (however those are defined)? Not only is there not one, but I'm glad there isn't. What voters want in the U.S. typically ranges from bad to awful, with few notable exceptions. The Holy Will of the Taxpayer has wrought carnage across the country every time it gets a chance. For example, Proposition U in Los Angeles in the 1980s was broadly supported by residents -- around 70%. The ramifications have been severe. Go talk to your typical middle-aged boomer Democrat or Republican -- these are people who vote very often. They think congressional term limits are a good idea. Everywhere legislature term limits have been implemented, lobbyist power has increased dramatically. The 1990s Crime Bill crustache keeps bringing up? Very broad support as well.
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Post by itii on Aug 29, 2024 13:04:00 GMT -5
Why do you think everybody has trust funds? This isn't an early 2000s college comedy starring Ryan Reynolds. bc of alpt of you seem to me to be unfamiliar with poverty, and alot of seem to think you're better than anyone that just doesn't believe what you believe. You make fun of republicans for voting against their interest, yet you or most of you are voting/defending a cop, genocide, and have defended a group of elite racist oligarchs same as them Bro, you are interacting w like 3 people. Even the people doing drive by support of you think you're too batshit to quote you |
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Post by FEMA Sniper on Aug 29, 2024 13:12:51 GMT -5
Is there an example of a party on the face of the earth that in your apinion acts fully in the interests of its voters (however those are defined)? Not only is there not one, but I'm glad there isn't. What voters want in the U.S. typically ranges from bad to awful, with few notable exceptions. The Holy Will of the Taxpayer has wrought carnage across the country every time it gets a chance. For example, Proposition U in Los Angeles in the 1980s was broadly supported by residents -- around 70%. The ramifications have been severe. Go talk to your typical middle-aged boomer Democrat or Republican -- these are people who vote very often. They think congressional term limits are a good idea. Everywhere legislature term limits have been implemented, lobbyist power has increased dramatically. The 1990s Crime Bill crustache keeps bringing up? Very broad support as well. The term limits thing has always been hard to wrap my head around. You think lobbying and corruption is bad now? Lol. |
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Post by Talentless Elvis Costello on Aug 29, 2024 13:15:35 GMT -5
cant quotestache i am currently inundated w sumerian riddles
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Post by itii on Aug 29, 2024 13:17:46 GMT -5
cant quotestache i am currently inundated w sumerian riddles Just recline and be fine |
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Post by Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate on Aug 29, 2024 13:20:23 GMT -5
Is there an example of a party on the face of the earth that in your apinion acts fully in the interests of its voters (however those are defined)? Not only is there not one, but I'm glad there isn't. What voters want in the U.S. typically ranges from bad to awful, with few notable exceptions. The Holy Will of the Taxpayer has wrought carnage across the country every time it gets a chance. For example, Proposition U in Los Angeles in the 1980s was broadly supported by residents -- around 70%. The ramifications have been severe. Go talk to your typical middle-aged boomer Democrat or Republican -- these are people who vote very often. They think congressional term limits are a good idea. Everywhere legislature term limits have been implemented, lobbyist power has increased dramatically. The 1990s Crime Bill crustache keeps bringing up? Very broad support as well. Nope, there isn’t, and won’t ever be. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be critical of the parties failing to do so, grant them an ounce of leeway, give them credit they haven’t earned, or accept that it’s just the way it is. Just because something isn’t perfect, and likely can’t ever be perfect, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t strive for it to be. |
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Post by johnny two cool on Aug 29, 2024 13:23:09 GMT -5
I don't want the Democratic Party to to do what's most loyal and consistent voters want, and neither do you.
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Post by theywalkedinline on Aug 29, 2024 13:52:23 GMT -5
Dan is a good guy. He’s over performing in polls, though. The ones that have him close are internal push polls. |
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Post by Mr. Dingle Foot on Aug 29, 2024 13:55:35 GMT -5
Speaking of trust funds. Would anyone here on board admit to having one?
There are a few posters who seem like the type.
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Post by johnny two cool on Aug 29, 2024 13:57:59 GMT -5
I have three
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Post by Frederik on Aug 29, 2024 14:01:22 GMT -5
Speaking of trust funds. Would anyone here on board admit to having one? There are a few posters who seem like the type. The closest I came was an inheritance thatI lost when the .com bubble burst in the early 00's. |
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Post by cruststache on Aug 29, 2024 14:14:15 GMT -5
Is there an example of a party on the face of the earth that in your apinion acts fully in the interests of its voters (however those are defined)? Not only is there not one, but I'm glad there isn't. What voters want in the U.S. typically ranges from bad to awful, with few notable exceptions. The Holy Will of the Taxpayer has wrought carnage across the country every time it gets a chance. For example, Proposition U in Los Angeles in the 1980s was broadly supported by residents -- around 70%. The ramifications have been severe. Go talk to your typical middle-aged boomer Democrat or Republican -- these are people who vote very often. They think congressional term limits are a good idea. Everywhere legislature term limits have been implemented, lobbyist power has increased dramatically. The 1990s Crime Bill crustache keeps bringing up? Very broad support as well. The term limits thing has always been hard to wrap my head around. You think lobbying and corruption is bad now? Lol. yah and in Florida people voted for trump and 15 dollar minimum wage. You can't argue chomsky and manufacturing consent then said public is dumb as awful. Media and government work hand in hand to divide and dumb down the populist. Duopoly is being exposed bc people are finding independent media outlets. Some for good some for bad. |
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Post by antipasto on Aug 29, 2024 14:24:06 GMT -5
I don’t even really know what a trust fund is
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Post by itii on Aug 29, 2024 14:26:30 GMT -5
I don’t even really know what a trust fund is It's like a really cool ssi but you get it when you still enjoy life |
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Post by Sorley Boy on Aug 29, 2024 14:28:43 GMT -5
Don't look at me!
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Post by johnny two cool on Aug 29, 2024 14:29:34 GMT -5
Chomsky has been wrong about everything but the paper he wrote in response to B.F. Skinner was good.
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Post by Mr. Dingle Foot on Aug 29, 2024 14:30:45 GMT -5
Some may say my mom trusted me enough that she let me fund my own way through life.
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