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Post by Ian MacFlai on Sept 21, 2019 20:46:17 GMT -5
I don't even think anyone really cares on here anyways, it's just become a hilarious meme. Fucking lol at the "President of a foreign country" part though, true Americanism right there. Yes, I'm an American and I am concerned about the future of this country. The neoliberal dreamboat from Canada doing something stupid two decades ago is of no consequence to me. I live in a country where people think exercising democracy is getting someone fired over a tweet, or protesting over the authenticity of the sushi in their college dining hall. Meanwhile the sea levels are rising and we have a neanderthal at the wheel of the most powerful military and economy in the world. I agree, but you also live in a country where people think exercising democracy means vocal racism and rampant murders are a Constitutional right. Which is worse? I feel like getting offended about people getting offended is just as counterproductive.
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Post by immortalrites on Sept 21, 2019 20:47:37 GMT -5
Do not say "this ain't it chief" to me unless you are willing to strip to the waist and fight me. EDITED. This ain’t it. I'll put my shirt back on. For now.
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Post by lobsterdog on Sept 21, 2019 20:50:25 GMT -5
i'm completely miserable because capitalism wrings every drop of blood out of every worker but thanks for your concern. To be fair you seemed sort of miserable before you were ever a worker. Me too so iget it but you gotta at least recognize his point i was a worker before i ever posted on b9 for whatever thats worth
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 20:51:02 GMT -5
I’d like to just chime in and say that if anyone is legit upset about the whole Trudeau thing it’s more than likely because it just further highlights the cultural problem we continue to have when it comes to racism in North America and The West in general. Why was this considered at all acceptable in 2001 is the question here! I think too it only adds a bit more weight (for those still in the dark or who rely on spectacle to pay attention) to what the left and indigenous groups have been saying about Canada's government, Trudeau himself, and the neverending war against native people (Trans Mountain Pipeline, for example). The settler state is inherently reactionary and racist towards black and brown people. Maybe the illusion of "progressive" politicians like Trudeau and others being shattered for however many Canadians and liberals worldwide via media circus is a good opportunity for the left to point out this seemingly inconsequential scandal's distant but solid connection to settler colonialism, the violence of capital accumulation, and the state's racist, blood-drenched foundations. This does require a bit more than just the same old screenshots and Twitter hot takes tho.
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Post by Porch Honky on Sept 21, 2019 20:51:58 GMT -5
Also how can we trust people who double down on their dumb racist decisions 18 years ago on any other "more important" issues? Not to mention Canada's treatment of First Nations people doesn't help.
This is why the concept of privilege is very real thing. Climate change won't kill Trudeau cause he'll likely get his underground bunker/Mars colony. Fuck everyone else. I get that it's a "small issue" but it makes me skeptical that he cares anything about Canadian citizens in the first place.
Edit: The post above emphasized my point better than I did.
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Post by ☭ Bob Loblaw ☭ on Sept 21, 2019 20:52:48 GMT -5
I honesty don’t give a fuck about Trudeau. He apologized and admitted his ignorance. That’s good enough for me but what do I know.
I won’t repeat myself. Just refer to my post on the last page.
edit: I too wanted to address the issue of climate change (which obviously effects us all) and how things like “progressive” world leaders wearing black face doubles down on the unfortunate truth that lower income and disenfranchised peoples will be exponentially more fucked by the coming apocalypse.
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Post by immortalrites on Sept 21, 2019 20:56:11 GMT -5
I think too it only adds a bit more weight (for those still in the dark or who rely on spectacle to pay attention) to what the left and indigenous groups have been saying about Canada's government, Trudeau himself, and the neverending war against native people (Trans Mountain Pipeline, for example). Exactly.
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Post by Porch Honky on Sept 21, 2019 21:08:05 GMT -5
edit: I too wanted to address the issue of climate change (which obviously effects us all) and how things like “progressive” world leaders wearing black face doubles down on the unfortunate truth that lower income and disenfranchised peoples will be exponentially more fucked by the coming apocalypse. Yep I'm going to channel my inner Chappelle jury duty shit here. Apologies don't mean shit. Want to actually show you've changed and repented Justin? Donate 99.9% or greater of your own celery to POC/First Nation causes for the rest of your life. No I'm not being unreasonable.
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Post by Ian MacFlai on Sept 21, 2019 21:22:50 GMT -5
Trudeau is a legacy politician from a small Canadian dynasty from what i can see. These people always talk a good game but nobody should have faith in them on any level.
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Post by Ian MacFlai on Sept 21, 2019 21:26:06 GMT -5
Still waiting for the JFK blackface photo
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Post by lobsterdog on Sept 21, 2019 21:45:12 GMT -5
Trudeau was probably gonna lose this election anyway. I don't know if the blackface pics will have any impact on that but they certainly dont help.
And as much as Trudeau sucks, Andrew Scheer is worse in every possible way so yeah.
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Post by Ian MacFlai on Sept 21, 2019 22:06:38 GMT -5
Canada is not immune to the downward spiral that so many other first world countries are experiencing right now
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Post by Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate on Sept 22, 2019 0:10:06 GMT -5
I saw some shit on IG earlier. The post was saying women/black/impoverished etc contribute the least to climate change, and then below it was a comment declaring climate change rests solely on the back of “capitalist European colonialists”. Standard counterproductive edgy activist circle jerk stuff,
I’m not gonna argue with any of that, it’s perfectly valid/true. But it isn’t helpful whatsoever. The comments were full of tumblr warrior types rallying behind the idea that it isn’t their responsibility to fix because it’s the rich white mans fault. Some incles were commenting shit like “but China and India” and these people were clapping back with “they’re only the largest polluters because they make shit for the US” as if that means they get a pollution pardon.
But yo were all gonna melt and drown so let’s point fingers and chop heads off after we try and fix this shit, yeah?
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Post by ITID on Sept 22, 2019 0:51:26 GMT -5
Sure. But let’s do it about shit that actually matters. Trudeau in black face 20 years ago ain’t it chief. Not even remotely. Do not say "this ain't it chief" to me unless you are willing to strip to the waist and fight me. Fun fact: one of my favorite memories illadephia is an hombre threatening to fight me for bumping into him in at a cross walk for saying "excuse me, chief." He threw back his pale and freckled arms and asked me if I called "chief," because he would fuck me up. He got 5 shrugs and 4 "really?s."
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Post by ☭ Bob Loblaw ☭ on Sept 22, 2019 1:29:05 GMT -5
I saw some shit on IG earlier. The post was saying women/black/impoverished etc contribute the least to climate change, and then below it was a comment declaring climate change rests solely on the back of “capitalist European colonialists”. Standard counterproductive edgy activist circle jerk stuff, I’m not gonna argue with any of that, it’s perfectly valid/true. But it isn’t helpful whatsoever. The comments were full of tumblr warrior types rallying behind the idea that it isn’t their responsibility to fix because it’s the rich white mans fault. Some incles were commenting shit like “but China and India” and these people were clapping back with “they’re only the largest polluters because they make shit for the US” as if that means they get a pollution pardon. But yo were all gonna melt and drown so let’s point fingers and chop heads off after we try and fix this shit, yeah? Think back to Occupy Wallstreet. There were plenty of dummies who had 0 idea why they were camped out in front of Goldman Sachs but going after and demonizing them for their ignorance instead of acknowledging the reason they were out there (whether they were even aware of it or not) does nothing but help the Capitalist fuckhead overlord motherfuckers. Eating our own (as dumb as they may be) only helps the opposition. Let’s eat the rich then sort out the fairweather Leftists.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 1:30:21 GMT -5
It's why they absolutely crush anything that even begins to resemble a Marxist-Leninist party with momentum. Wouldn't want such an apparatus organizing the masses.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 1:42:14 GMT -5
By the way, has sanders said much about seriously beginning to dismantle US military operations? It would do wonders to reduce carbon emissions and free up a whole lot of the budget. Seems very green new deal to me.
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Post by ☭ Bob Loblaw ☭ on Sept 22, 2019 1:53:38 GMT -5
You know he’s well aware of the parameters he’s operating in. He’s obviously a full blown Marxist/Leninist who is forced to present a very curated approach to politics in this 2 party bullshit nonsense.
If he grabs the nomination and ultimately defeats Trump, US imperialism will most def begin to be dismantled under his administration.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 2:04:39 GMT -5
Warren is going to win and get nothing done. Everything will be blamed on the left and how America wasn't ready/didn't really want progressive policy. A more competent fascist wins in 2024.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 5:45:10 GMT -5
Canada is not immune to the downward spiral that so many other first world countries are experiencing right now I honestly don't see Canada electing a full blown racist like Trump(at least federally) in my lifetime because there's too many immigrants who have voting rights, and Canadians prefer their racism to be low key. Kevin O'Leary tried to run for the conservative leadership under the same style as Trump and was laughed out the building, and the Peoples Party is just a fringe party really. There's an ugly history with Indigenous people that still goes on today, and lots of other sinister shit... But majority of people want something they can sweep under the rug and ignore, not have it in their face every time they turn on the news. Also lol at people going after Mike for being too pessimistic, then complaining about entire generations being useless. I highly doubt any of you walked out on work last Friday for the climate protests, so fuck off with these god awful takes and maybe just try to understand what the other generations are like? You're being just as divisive as the people who take identity politics too far.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 6:10:38 GMT -5
Generational politics promote ageism, sectarianism, and discrimination, straight up. It's all very ahistorical and reactionary through and through, and not at all compatible with an anti-capitalist mass movement. I find it strange when I see people who normally try and approach the world with a materialist/Marxist lens so quickly throw all systemic analysis out the window for vast individual blame on the basis of when someone was born.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 6:18:01 GMT -5
The kids organising strikes across the world are cool, but does anyone really think there were no mass strikes or radical movements for many, many decades before millenials and zoomers showed up? Or that everybody aged 12 to like 35 now is on board with revolution? C'mon.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 6:29:42 GMT -5
The kids organising strikes across the world are cool, but does anyone really think there were no mass strikes or radical movements for many, many decades before millenials and zoomers showed up? Or that everybody aged 12 to like 35 now is on board with revolution? C'mon. Of course there were, but how many of those were lead by children? More than likely the climate protests won't lead to any direct radical change, but it leaves me more hopeful than any movement I've seen in the western world(at least in the last 20 years). Give these kids a few more years and they become more educated on why we're in this mess, and that's when the real movement happens.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 6:40:25 GMT -5
The kids organising strikes across the world are cool, but does anyone really think there were no mass strikes or radical movements for many, many decades before millenials and zoomers showed up? Or that everybody aged 12 to like 35 now is on board with revolution? C'mon. Of course there were, but how many of those were lead by children? More than likely the climate protests won't lead to any direct radical change, but it leaves me more hopeful than any movement I've seen in the western world(at least in the last 20 years). Give these kids a few more years and they become more educated on why we're in this mess, and that's when the real movement happens. Yeah I get that. I didn't mean to come across like I didn't find the fact that actual school children are doing hard organising on a global level VERY inspiring and hopeful. Was just pointing out that there have been mass movements across entire generations, including boomers and gen x obviously, and while maybe some eras appear more radical than others in hindsight (though I'm not entirely sure that this can be properly measured), it does none of us any good misdirecting our anger there when we know better.
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Post by lobsterdog on Sept 22, 2019 7:55:36 GMT -5
while there have obviously been mass movements before, this was FAR and away the largest climate focused protest in history.
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Post by tandoori jones on Sept 22, 2019 8:34:46 GMT -5
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Post by Sorley Boy on Sept 22, 2019 10:57:40 GMT -5
I saw some shit on IG earlier. The post was saying women/black/impoverished etc contribute the least to climate change, and then below it was a comment declaring climate change rests solely on the back of “capitalist European colonialists”. Standard counterproductive edgy activist circle jerk stuff, I’m not gonna argue with any of that, it’s perfectly valid/true. But it isn’t helpful whatsoever. The comments were full of tumblr warrior types rallying behind the idea that it isn’t their responsibility to fix because it’s the rich white mans fault. Some incles were commenting shit like “but China and India” and these people were clapping back with “they’re only the largest polluters because they make shit for the US” as if that means they get a pollution pardon. But yo were all gonna melt and drown so let’s point fingers and chop heads off after we try and fix this shit, yeah? That's more or less what internet "leftism" comes down to. Reduce the world to blinkered just-so stories, demand unrealistic policy changes to address them, lose it whenever anyone disagrees with you, pat yourself on the back for being superior despite achieving jack shit besides flattering your own ego.
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Post by Porch Honky on Sept 22, 2019 11:06:24 GMT -5
You know he’s well aware of the parameters he’s operating in. He’s obviously a full blown Marxist/Leninist who is forced to present a very curated approach to politics in this 2 party bullshit nonsense. If he grabs the nomination and ultimately defeats Trump, US imperialism will most def begin to be dismantled under his administration. You forgot to add, that the US needs a total Senate shift left, more non red governors and a few more AOC types in the House in 20. It's almost got to be a total defeat.
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Post by Reasonablepizza518 on Sept 22, 2019 11:22:26 GMT -5
This is such a great point. The Huxleyan dystopia is a way more accurate description of the current climate than the Orwellian one, at least in America.
We're inundated with so much information and there are so many mindless distractions in our lives that no matter how how much we destroy the planet or how corrupt our leaders are, most people won't give a shit until it directly affects them.
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Post by anointed on Sept 22, 2019 11:29:28 GMT -5
All of this pro-commie shit is lame. You guys are gonna be on the losing side of history yet again. Embarrassing.
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