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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 13:56:48 GMT -5
And I'm not saying it's for certain it's going to runaway like this and absolutely destroy all life on Earth, just that the data we have now, greenhouse gas emissions have increased in an unprecedented way. We don't fully understand the effects of this because there is no precedent for this rate of change.
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Post by roofies on Oct 27, 2019 13:59:06 GMT -5
I don't care about this word "naturally." People are "natural." My point is it stands to reason that industrialization could be pushing the Earth out of it's typical climate cycle into a state of greenhouse gas build up, heating the atmosphere faster than ever before, in a completely unprecedented way. Yes, I never once denied that. Some say we're already past the point of no return. So your solution is communism? The leading producer of greenhouse gas emissions is China. Which is a poor example of communism, I understand. But unless China, the U.S and India just suddenly stop existing, we're not heading towards a very chill path. What's some real world solutions? I'm serious.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 14:03:45 GMT -5
Hold up let me just solve climate change for us all. I don't know man, there's a myriad of solutions that need to happen. I know for sure endless profiteering is the antithesis.
Havana grows something like 95% of it's own food within city-limits. It scares me to think about food shortages in the future when we're on a "just-in-time" supply chain in most of the developed world. China and India are "re-greening" the desert on impressive scales. We need to produce much, much less commodities which means less work to simply make widgets and sell. There is something called increasing the supply increases demand. So much of this plastic and what not we produce that exists solely to try and make new commodity markets. Think of all the new cars that are produced so people can get rid of their perfectly good ones, these are natural resources we will never get back. Our architecture is fucked up in basically every way -- our buildings use so much energy for absolutely no good reason. Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.
What do you want from me? lol. Choose any area and you could probably find ecological problems tied to endless profit making.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 14:09:13 GMT -5
Baghdadi was hiding in Al-Qaeda territory. With his children. Al-Qaeda. Who he had been warring with for the last half decade. This is somehow less believable than Epstein killing himself.
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Post by heathenist on Oct 27, 2019 14:10:06 GMT -5
Can we also go back to how this entire convo started because roofies wanted to whataboitism the millions of people killed by communism. Bitch if you’re such a nihilist about the climate and think we need mass extinction so badly why the fuck you wanna talk about communism killing people. Like what, it’s cool that capitalism might destroy the entire world but a few authoritarian governments killed people under the guise of communism and we should totally write it off as a viable economic system. Get the fuck out of here. Stop acting like an impartial fence walker when you clearly aren’t.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 14:11:22 GMT -5
Cuba is an excellent example we could strive to emulate in meeting emissions and sustainability targets. Communist government, socialist country.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 14:12:41 GMT -5
Roofies is trash
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 14:17:23 GMT -5
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Post by lobsterdog on Oct 27, 2019 14:44:14 GMT -5
nothing like some good ol black pill nihilism to brighten up a sunday
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Post by refill on Oct 27, 2019 15:28:36 GMT -5
We all just need to be like the cowboy in the commercial and enjoy some Impossible Whoppers. Bingo, earth saved!
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Post by svejk on Oct 27, 2019 15:53:11 GMT -5
yes, let’s look to a totalitarian garrison state as an inspiring model for sustainable development. living in repressed squalor and nourishing your family via ration booklets administered by autocratic party functionaries who can legally disappear you under the guise of anti-revolutionary activity when you complain of hunger is excellent for reducing emissions. i hear reports from pyongyang have been equally impressive!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 15:54:13 GMT -5
cool story bro
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Post by heathenist on Oct 27, 2019 16:14:59 GMT -5
yes, let’s look to a totalitarian garrison state as an inspiring model for sustainable development. living in repressed squalor and nourishing your family via ration booklets administered by autocratic party functionaries who can legally disappear you under the guise of anti-revolutionary activity when you complain of hunger is excellent for reducing emissions. i hear reports from pyongyang have been equally impressive! Wow you sound smart.
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Post by roofies on Oct 27, 2019 16:24:05 GMT -5
You still think Al Qaeda exists. You mean nothing.
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Post by svejk on Oct 27, 2019 16:25:20 GMT -5
yes, let’s look to a totalitarian garrison state as an inspiring model for sustainable development. living in repressed squalor and nourishing your family via ration booklets administered by autocratic party functionaries who can legally disappear you under the guise of anti-revolutionary activity when you complain of hunger is excellent for reducing emissions. i hear reports from pyongyang have been equally impressive! Wow you sound smart. cool retort, you sound super interesting
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Post by roofies on Oct 27, 2019 16:30:33 GMT -5
I dont even reply to heathenish anymore because...well I dont reply to morons.
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Post by roofies on Oct 27, 2019 16:38:18 GMT -5
Hold up let me just solve climate change for us all. I don't know man, there's a myriad of solutions that need to happen. I know for sure endless profiteering is the antithesis. Havana grows something like 95% of it's own food within city-limits. It scares me to think about food shortages in the future when we're on a "just-in-time" supply chain in most of the developed world. China and India are "re-greening" the desert on impressive scales. We need to produce much, much less commodities which means less work to simply make widgets and sell. There is something called increasing the supply increases demand. So much of this plastic and what not we produce that exists solely to try and make new commodity markets. Think of all the new cars that are produced so people can get rid of their perfectly good ones, these are natural resources we will never get back. Our architecture is fucked up in basically every way -- our buildings use so much energy for absolutely no good reason. Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. What do you want from me? lol. Choose any area and you could probably find ecological problems tied to endless profit making. So what about a country like China who is responsible for the MOST C02 emission and also led by a communist government? Like I'm not trying to make a point here. I'm legit just interested in hearing your apinion on it. Having a complete agricultural communist utopia may be possible on an island like Cuba, but it's not a viable solution to superpowers that hold dozens of millions and billions of people at this point. Unless I'm missing something.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 17:03:31 GMT -5
China is expected to overfulfill it's emissions goals in 2020 and have a way higher population than countries like the U.S. (who are barely doing anything in terms of climate). So not only is it oriented in the right direction, it is having an impact on a per capita basis against the U.S's already highly skewed emissions per capita which means a greater reduction in real numbers.
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Post by roofies on Oct 27, 2019 17:06:42 GMT -5
Thats chill. I wasn't aware. It'll happen in the U.S. once a non-republican party gets elected. We may have to suffer through another 4 years. But this shit always flips back.
Dont worry Lobsterdog, the planet won't be dead in 4 years. And you'll be wrong...again.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 17:11:25 GMT -5
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Post by svejk on Oct 27, 2019 17:24:14 GMT -5
these estimates are based on reporting provided by the chinese government, who has never lied about climate issues in the past
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 17:27:36 GMT -5
How would you know?
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Post by roofies on Oct 27, 2019 17:30:27 GMT -5
I mean we will see in the near future if their plan works. Because right now they're pumping almost double what the U.S does yearly. And I get the per capita thing, but it's still a massive number.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 17:33:40 GMT -5
What the fuck are you talking about? China is doing far more than the US or India... The head of the UNEP praised them for it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 17:35:44 GMT -5
China is supposed to peak their emissions at 2022 for development and on track to have the biggest reduction. That's again from the UN.
We have nothing even on the table haha.
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Post by roofies on Oct 27, 2019 17:36:10 GMT -5
What the fuck are you talking about? China is doing far more than the US or India... The head of the UNEP praised them for it. It's still almost double the U.S., which is the 2nd largest producer in the world. They better be doing something about it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 17:36:24 GMT -5
But they're lying, bro. Very authoritarian lies. Sad!
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Post by disrupticon on Oct 27, 2019 17:36:43 GMT -5
Can we all just agree to consign Roofies to the ignore corner? Some guys send unsolicited dick pics, this fucking idiot corners girls into talking about aliens until they get fed up. That's really about all you need to know about the guy.
Quit taking him at his word, and you'll have a much easier time ignoring him.
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Post by roofies on Oct 27, 2019 17:41:31 GMT -5
Can we all just agree to consign Roofies to the ignore corner? Some guys send unsolicited dick pics, this fucking idiot corners girls into talking about aliens until they get fed up. That's really about all you need to know about the guy. Quit taking him at his word, and you'll have a much easier time ignoring him. I'm flattered you care so much. It's a messageboard that has thrived on disagreements since its inception. What your issue? Girls love talking about aliens, including my girlfriend. Maybe you need to lighten up a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 17:43:50 GMT -5
What the fuck are you talking about? China is doing far more than the US or India... The head of the UNEP praised them for it. It's still almost double the U.S., which is the 2nd largest producer in the world. They better be doing something about it. Yeah no shit. Consider like 3x the population while they have 10% of global consumption opposed to 40% of global production.
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