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Post by pbcookies on Oct 29, 2019 0:12:09 GMT -5
The Nordic Model was possible due to post-war Europe and can't just be replicated. It also is supported on the backs of imperialism, is prone to concession, and lacks features like full employment. well, the Chinese model of communism/capitalism was made possible by people slaughtering their own families in the streets, so there's that too
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 0:15:04 GMT -5
Where in the world do people not get slaughtered in the streets?
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Post by pbcookies on Oct 29, 2019 0:16:50 GMT -5
I think there's a law against it in Norway, they're so advanced over there
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 0:17:59 GMT -5
In Norway 2011 didn't that fascist gun down a bunch of lefty teenagers or some shit?
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Post by Cholo Molester on Oct 29, 2019 0:19:17 GMT -5
In Norway 2011 didn't that fascist gun down a bunch of lefty teenagers or some shit? We all know white people NEVER do anything wrong. It was mental health issues, bro.
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Post by roofies on Oct 29, 2019 0:20:03 GMT -5
I think the difference is state sponsored mass killings, and individules on the fringes committing heinous acts.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 0:20:49 GMT -5
So you don't support state violence but you support violence committed by fringe individuals? Maybe we can bring back the Weatherman Underground.
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Post by pbcookies on Oct 29, 2019 0:21:04 GMT -5
honestly if one more of you motherfuckers misses another obvious joke, I'm going to the BBB board
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Post by disrupticon on Oct 29, 2019 0:22:53 GMT -5
Hell yeah, party like it's the diocletianic persecution.
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Post by roofies on Oct 29, 2019 0:23:15 GMT -5
So you don't support state violence but you support violence committed by fringe individuals? Maybe we can bring back the Weatherman Underground. What. Where are you people getting these insane misreads of what I post. Let me play along, "so you LOVE when communist governments slaughters its own people?".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 0:24:29 GMT -5
I'm just trying to figure out where you think it's good in the world. You don't like capitalist countries. Or communist countries. Now the Nordic ones are out of the question. It can't be a question of violence. There is violence everywhere.
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Post by 𝕄𝔼👁𝕎𝔽𝕌ℕℂ𝕋𝕀👁ℕ on Oct 29, 2019 0:24:55 GMT -5
He just said "weatherman underground" and you're responding to it seriously
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Post by Cholo Molester on Oct 29, 2019 0:25:05 GMT -5
Dylan Roofies is stuck on a loop of bitterness. Sad.
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Post by roofies on Oct 29, 2019 0:26:53 GMT -5
I'm just trying to figure out where you think it's good in the world. You don't like capitalist countries. Or communist countries. Now the Nordic ones are out of the question. It can't be a question of violence. There is violence everywhere. One more time... there is a difference between state sponsored mass killings for a political gain, and individuals acting on their own sick and twisted will to kill. That doesnt mean I support one over the other.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 0:27:42 GMT -5
Yes, so you support nothing. And are a moralizer.
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Post by roofies on Oct 29, 2019 0:28:19 GMT -5
Dylan Roofies is stuck on a loop of bitterness. Sad. Stick with calling women "bitches" and ranting about spitting on them and hitting them.
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Post by 𝕄𝔼👁𝕎𝔽𝕌ℕℂ𝕋𝕀👁ℕ on Oct 29, 2019 0:28:59 GMT -5
Last time he was talking about being spit on and hit by them so
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Post by roofies on Oct 29, 2019 0:29:22 GMT -5
Yes, so you support nothing. And are a moralizer. Are you trolling now? Youre wonderful at dodging any criticism of your beliefs and just making up random shit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 0:31:13 GMT -5
It's not a question of what I believe. I don't get to just sit around and moralize and throw my support behind whatever I think is best and pretend like there isn't violence in the world as if that alone is indicative of which direction history is moving.
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Post by pbcookies on Oct 29, 2019 0:33:00 GMT -5
It's not a question of what I believe. I don't get to just sit around and moralize and throw my support behind whatever I think is best and pretend like there isn't violence in the world as if that alone is indicative of which direction history is moving. tbh this describes like 75% of your posts chief
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Post by pbcookies on Oct 29, 2019 0:34:24 GMT -5
ITT: people that almost all support the same presidential candidate
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Post by Cholo Molester on Oct 29, 2019 0:35:05 GMT -5
I also don’t call women bitches or use identity based slurs, but ok playa, kinda weird that you’re making stuff up about me, but between you and pbdork, I’ll just go along with what y’all think about me.
Now if y’all don’t mind, I need to find some bitches to slap around and then I’m going to write a 5 page thread complaining about it.
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Post by roofies on Oct 29, 2019 0:35:35 GMT -5
It's not a question of what I believe. I don't get to just sit around and moralize and throw my support behind whatever I think is best and pretend like there isn't violence in the world as if that alone is indicative of which direction history is moving. If you cant admit there is a difference between governments slaughtering its own people, and individual acts of terrorism, or whatever the case. Then there's nothing to discuss. It's not moralizing to recognize a blatant difference. It's like saying police violence in the U.S. is the same thing as mass shooting. It has nothing to do with "moralizing", whatever that even means in this instance.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 0:37:25 GMT -5
This thread is wild. I'm genuinely fascinated by these claims of ideological dogma by people who aren't even fully coherent or aware of their own. None of you have any proposals or defense for anything because it's easily deflected by acknowledging that yes, something else is more badder when no one is even defending it. China is doing more for emissions than the US. They have Lamborghinis. Shit, that's literally how reactionaries yelled at Al Gore for taking a private jet. China does objectively awful shit, uh duh? Very astute observations that clearly no one else understands. Perhaps there's some ideologically reasons for this and requires a little deeper dive. None of this ever addresses what the main criticism is, that the current trajectory is unsustainable and has inherent structural contradictions with massive repercussions that are totally unsolvable within the current parameters. But, aha, we have empiricism and are all aboard the choo choo train of linear progress, the enlightenment express. It cannot have any internal flaws or allow for ideological blindspots! We just need more facts! If everyone had facts we wouldn't have to worry about vaccines or climate change! It's so obvious you plebs! I'm not even sure what you're asking for, but when someone points to China as a viable model for equitable and sustainable governance I can't help but laugh. The point I and other posters have been making is that all of the criticisms you and The Comrades levy at American society apply to China but are on the whole much worse. If you think the Americans have been poor stewards of global hegemony, wait til you meet the Chinese! I think democratic socialism but with expanded governmental powers when it comes to the environment/climate change is a reasonable goal to shoot for. As someone (I think dmk) said, there's no reason to dismiss the Nordic model just because it doesn't fit neatly in with your black-and-white team-based rubric of geopolitics. Nooooo, honey. I don't recall ever pointing to our Lord and savior Xi and China as a viable model. Maybe I'm mistaken but let me know where I did that and I can clear that up! I do remember posting some stuff about the UN acknowledging advances China has taken to combat climate change. I guess I shouldn't be referring to the UN and be playing both sides though, ugh! I can't win :/ Can't speak for others but pretty sure most their posts were examples of counter measures against the IMF/Western hegemony, like debt cancellation in exchange for resource access. Lots of problems there but hey, I'm not too knowledgeable about it so I don't know. If anyone here truly believes China is a viable model, clear it up because no one here has even remotely said that. All of these examples are just ways to engage a discussion to acknowledge and eek out some ideological underpinnings in others. It goads people into the kind of knee jerk responses typical of ideological reactionaries. It really is some bizzaro level strawman shit to take individual points and assume some wholehearted support to the point, "Hey move to China if it's so great!" came up. Jokingly or not, that's the same dumbass "Leave America if it sucks so bad!" shit everyone here has heard when we've raised criticisms... I don't know why you had to bring race into it and assume my thinking is now black or white when clearly it was yellow a paragraph before!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 0:37:52 GMT -5
I get what you're saying, but I'm the one trying to figure out where in the world you guys think it's so great. It doesn't matter if you can point out violence as the product of a system. Violence is in every system right now. The products we use for subsistence in our own lives were made with violence. It's not worth much of anything to put personal morality into that, condemning the world.
edit: there's been a few posts now and I didn't quote but whatever.
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Post by roofies on Oct 29, 2019 0:39:20 GMT -5
I also don’t call women bitches or use identity based slurs, but ok playa, kinda weird that you’re making stuff up about me, but between you and pbdork, I’ll just go along with what y’all think about me. Now if y’all don’t mind, I need to find some bitches to slap around and then I’m going to write a 5 page thread complaining about it. You make up blatant bullshit about me. And yes, you have continually posted degrading shit about women. Hragging about getting your dick sucked by "hoes" or what the fuck ever hyper-masculine shit you spew out thinking it makes you look cool.
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Post by Cholo Molester on Oct 29, 2019 0:41:24 GMT -5
Dylan Roofies complains about people making shit up about him then makes shit up about people. Lmao wild.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 0:42:52 GMT -5
Damn, I missed the great BIL struggle session because I was at work :'(
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 0:43:59 GMT -5
Nobody would claim China is anywhere near perfect. Not even the authoritarian Chinese Communist party officials. That's kind of the whole point. I think if I had to make an honest assessment a lot of points about China appear unabashedly in its favor, without criticism only because that's the stance one is forced to take when countered with so much gish gallop. You want to just point out areas in which positive change in the world is actually taking place and the structural reasons behind them. Because I think any reasonable person, who are maybe not libertarian ultra-skeptics can begin to see that. Then again, I recall people alluding to China as fascist and if that's the case, there is just about zero shared understanding on the topic. Like two ships passing in the night. I cry everytime.
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Post by roofies on Oct 29, 2019 0:48:50 GMT -5
Then what the hell has the last 5 pages of this thread been a debate over?
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