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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 0:50:06 GMT -5
100 bajillion naturally occuring dead people because of Venus
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Post by Ian MacFlai on Oct 29, 2019 0:50:28 GMT -5
More like last ten, holy cannoli this shit must be the hottest topic on BIL ever (excluding Return of the Mack)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 0:50:53 GMT -5
I wouldn't call it that. More like just posting way too much. Got too much time on my hands while I wait for this new job to start.
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Post by pbcookies on Oct 29, 2019 0:51:35 GMT -5
I'm not even sure what you're asking for, but when someone points to China as a viable model for equitable and sustainable governance I can't help but laugh. The point I and other posters have been making is that all of the criticisms you and The Comrades levy at American society apply to China but are on the whole much worse. If you think the Americans have been poor stewards of global hegemony, wait til you meet the Chinese! I think democratic socialism but with expanded governmental powers when it comes to the environment/climate change is a reasonable goal to shoot for. As someone (I think dmk) said, there's no reason to dismiss the Nordic model just because it doesn't fit neatly in with your black-and-white team-based rubric of geopolitics. Nooooo, honey. I don't recall ever pointing to our Lord and savior Xi and China as a viable model. Maybe I'm mistaken but let me know where I did that and I can clear that up! I do remember posting some stuff about the UN acknowledging advances China has taken to combat climate change. I guess I shouldn't be referring to the UN and be playing both sides though, ugh! I can't win :/ Can't speak for others but pretty sure most their posts were examples of counter measures against the IMF/Western hegemony, like debt cancellation in exchange for resource access. Lots of problems there but hey, I'm not too knowledgeable about it so I don't know. If anyone here truly believes China is a viable model, clear it up because no one here has even remotely said that. All of these examples are just ways to engage a discussion to acknowledge and eek out some ideological underpinnings in others. It goads people into the kind of knee jerk responses typical of ideological reactionaries. It really is some bizzaro level strawman shit to take individual points and assume some wholehearted support to the point, "Hey move to China if it's so great!" came up. Jokingly or not, that's the same dumbass "Leave America if it sucks so bad!" shit everyone here has heard when we've raised criticisms... I don't know why you had to bring race into it and assume my thinking is now black or white when clearly it was yellow a paragraph before! Honestly man maybe my internet barometer is faulty because I'm old now, but it's hard for me to tell when you're arguing in good faith and when you aren't. Maybe not you specifically (and I didn't say you specifically), but people frequently post on here praising Xi and Kim Jong Eun and Maduro or whoever for whatever dubious accomplishments as if it's team sports. Also just a few pages back people were saying China is using capitalism to hoard resources until (???) takes place, or something, with the implication being that's a good and/or serious proposition. And now after a few pages of criticism of that it's "Oh, none of us really take China seriously as a model for governance." I like your race joke at the end but damn this post is like a D+, you usually do better
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Post by pbcookies on Oct 29, 2019 0:54:05 GMT -5
and for the record I do specifically remember skinnykinney making an extremely uncomfortable meltdown post about how he only fucks white women because he's angry about being an illegal immigrant or something
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Post by 𝕄𝔼👁𝕎𝔽𝕌ℕℂ𝕋𝕀👁ℕ on Oct 29, 2019 0:55:37 GMT -5
More like last ten, holy cannoli this shit must be the hottest topic on BIL ever (excluding Return of the Mack) I have sales data that proves otherwise
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 0:57:03 GMT -5
Nooooo, honey. I don't recall ever pointing to our Lord and savior Xi and China as a viable model. Maybe I'm mistaken but let me know where I did that and I can clear that up! I do remember posting some stuff about the UN acknowledging advances China has taken to combat climate change. I guess I shouldn't be referring to the UN and be playing both sides though, ugh! I can't win :/ Can't speak for others but pretty sure most their posts were examples of counter measures against the IMF/Western hegemony, like debt cancellation in exchange for resource access. Lots of problems there but hey, I'm not too knowledgeable about it so I don't know. If anyone here truly believes China is a viable model, clear it up because no one here has even remotely said that. All of these examples are just ways to engage a discussion to acknowledge and eek out some ideological underpinnings in others. It goads people into the kind of knee jerk responses typical of ideological reactionaries. It really is some bizzaro level strawman shit to take individual points and assume some wholehearted support to the point, "Hey move to China if it's so great!" came up. Jokingly or not, that's the same dumbass "Leave America if it sucks so bad!" shit everyone here has heard when we've raised criticisms... I don't know why you had to bring race into it and assume my thinking is now black or white when clearly it was yellow a paragraph before! Honestly man maybe my internet barometer is faulty because I'm old now, but it's hard for me to tell when you're arguing in good faith and when you aren't. Maybe not you specifically (and I didn't say you specifically), but people frequently post on here praising Xi and Kim Jong Eun and Maduro or whoever for whatever dubious accomplishments as if it's team sports. Also just a few pages back people were saying China is using capitalism to hoard resources until (???) takes place, or something, with the implication being that's a good and/or serious proposition. And now after a few pages of criticism of that it's "Oh, none of us really take China seriously as a model for governance." I like your race joke at the end but damn this post is like a D+, you usually do better That's exactly where we run into problems. Some of us are trying to look at this stuff with the marxist perspective, where the rest of you argue without familiarity on the topic. Because we could talk about accumulation, forces of production, Shenzhen socialist demonstration zone, class orientation, whatever else you name it. And it's met with "team sports." I'm not trying to be provocative it's just how the discussion plays out. We could talk about the good things going on in America too if that makes people happy? But I guess not because you know what? Bernie Sanders is too old and is going to die, so fuck him.
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Post by Cholo Molester on Oct 29, 2019 0:59:19 GMT -5
and for the record I do specifically remember skinnykinney making an extremely uncomfortable meltdown post about how he only fucks white women because he's angry about being an illegal immigrant or something That was a hyperbolic response to some dumb shit Roofies said on the mosque attack thread aka the one and only thread I acted like that. God, you’re such an insufferable dork.
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Post by ☭ Bob Loblaw ☭ on Oct 29, 2019 1:01:10 GMT -5
I just spent the last few minutes trying to figure out why/how spsp changed his username.
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Post by Cholo Molester on Oct 29, 2019 1:01:16 GMT -5
Nice to know that out of all the wild shit said on board, pbcookies is mostly uncomfortable with interracial relationships. Aight, I see you playa. 👀
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 1:01:56 GMT -5
You can do it under the profile tab. spsp was just a holdover from old board, been tired of it for a minute.
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Post by pbcookies on Oct 29, 2019 1:02:30 GMT -5
Honestly man maybe my internet barometer is faulty because I'm old now, but it's hard for me to tell when you're arguing in good faith and when you aren't. Maybe not you specifically (and I didn't say you specifically), but people frequently post on here praising Xi and Kim Jong Eun and Maduro or whoever for whatever dubious accomplishments as if it's team sports. Also just a few pages back people were saying China is using capitalism to hoard resources until ( ) takes place, or something, with the implication being that's a good and/or serious proposition. And now after a few pages of criticism of that it's "Oh, none of us really take China seriously as a model for governance." I like your race joke at the end but damn this post is like a D+, you usually do better That's exactly where we run into problems. Some of us are trying to look at this stuff with the marxist perspective, where the rest of you argue without familiarity on the topic. Because we could talk about accumulation, forces of production, Shenzhen socialist demonstration zone, class orientation, whatever else you name it. And it's met with "team sports." I'm not trying to be provocative it's just how the discussion plays out. We could talk about the good things going on in America too if that makes people happy? But I guess not because you know what? Bernie Sanders is too old and is going to die, so fuck him. I am fully confident I don't know nearly as much about Marxism as you, that is entirely correct. I am equally as confident that you don't know as much about Chinese society and culture as me. Any discussion like this is eventually going to reach a really tiresome first-principles argument about values and a lot of other dull topics that would take ages to parse out and wouldn't get us anywhere anyway, so I honestly just prefer making fun of people and stepping in when I feel like the cognitive dissonance has gotten particularly egregious.
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Post by pbcookies on Oct 29, 2019 1:03:32 GMT -5
and for the record I do specifically remember skinnykinney making an extremely uncomfortable meltdown post about how he only fucks white women because he's angry about being an illegal immigrant or something That was a hyperbolic response to some dumb shit Roofies said on the mosque attack thread aka the one and only thread I acted like that. God, you’re such an insufferable dork. Ah yeah, that was it! Well that answers your question at least.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 1:04:39 GMT -5
Hey, I’m back. Last 2 or 3 pages has been more laugh out louds all around I just saw Parasite with a friend. Non comrades of the politics thread, what’s your overall view of the film if you’ve seen it? edit: Dylan Roofies fuck Movie made me get very teary because it perfectly and cleverly captured how it feels to be working-class in a room full of rich people, and how working-class people sadly often hurt and turn on eachother in the hopes of securing or maintaining a spot amongst the upper echelons of society. It captured a lot more of the class experience but I can't be bothered writing an entire movie review right now. Watched it with my mum and she felt the same which added to the weight I felt. I sometimes forget in all my bullshit woe is me moments that she's had an even longer and more difficult life than I and yet hardly ever speaks about it. She just carries on. Good movie. Also, straight up laugh out loud funny at many points. I was in absolute stitches during a lot of it.
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Post by Ian MacFlai on Oct 29, 2019 1:09:21 GMT -5
More like last ten, holy cannoli this shit must be the hottest topic on BIL ever (excluding Return of the Mack) I have sales data that proves otherwise Lol hyperbole on my part
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 1:10:21 GMT -5
Nooooo, honey. I don't recall ever pointing to our Lord and savior Xi and China as a viable model. Maybe I'm mistaken but let me know where I did that and I can clear that up! I do remember posting some stuff about the UN acknowledging advances China has taken to combat climate change. I guess I shouldn't be referring to the UN and be playing both sides though, ugh! I can't win :/ Can't speak for others but pretty sure most their posts were examples of counter measures against the IMF/Western hegemony, like debt cancellation in exchange for resource access. Lots of problems there but hey, I'm not too knowledgeable about it so I don't know. If anyone here truly believes China is a viable model, clear it up because no one here has even remotely said that. All of these examples are just ways to engage a discussion to acknowledge and eek out some ideological underpinnings in others. It goads people into the kind of knee jerk responses typical of ideological reactionaries. It really is some bizzaro level strawman shit to take individual points and assume some wholehearted support to the point, "Hey move to China if it's so great!" came up. Jokingly or not, that's the same dumbass "Leave America if it sucks so bad!" shit everyone here has heard when we've raised criticisms... I don't know why you had to bring race into it and assume my thinking is now black or white when clearly it was yellow a paragraph before! Honestly man maybe my internet barometer is faulty because I'm old now, but it's hard for me to tell when you're arguing in good faith and when you aren't. Maybe not you specifically (and I didn't say you specifically), but people frequently post on here praising Xi and Kim Jong Eun and Maduro or whoever for whatever dubious accomplishments as if it's team sports. Also just a few pages back people were saying China is using capitalism to hoard resources until (???) takes place, or something, with the implication being that's a good and/or serious proposition. And now after a few pages of criticism of that it's "Oh, none of us really take China seriously as a model for governance." I like your race joke at the end but damn this post is like a D+, you usually do better Does it even matter either way? When I'm serious, it's not engaged, if I shit post point, it's not addressed. But really, again, you missed the point and still don't accept no one had actually said China is a viable model... Just these tacit acknowledgements of specific policies sends people 10 degrees to the right and strawman hard. It's gooberism. I'm not making a value judgement here but it's like... basic Marxism that a period of capital accumulation is necessary for the transition to socialized production. The major examples squeezed 200 years in two generations... Now a dum dum would be all lol see capitalism is needed! I'm not a historical determinist about it but your whole point right there just shows a complete misunderstanding.
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Post by pbcookies on Oct 29, 2019 1:10:41 GMT -5
I have sales data that proves otherwise Lol hyperbole on my part I feel like HGII Moves To Portland got more heated than this
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 1:12:20 GMT -5
I guess everyone is 24/7 "just trolling guys xD" in this thread and I'm a dumbass for trying to talk about politics. Got me good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 1:15:55 GMT -5
Yah I got fucking owned. I've been on messageboards for like 18 years and keep forgetting every day that they're not for discussions.
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Post by Ian MacFlai on Oct 29, 2019 1:18:44 GMT -5
Lots of people here wanna live in a McMansion but seem satisfied living under a bridge instead
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Post by ☭ Bob Loblaw ☭ on Oct 29, 2019 1:21:24 GMT -5
I have a close friend who is Chinese American and also pretty Left leaning. We agree on a lot but I admittedly balk when China comes up in conversation. I’m aware to a point of the faults mainland China has when it comes to human rights but am also aware that he has a much more personal connection to it than I could ever know. I value that human aspect and it reminds me of the cost of any potential philosophical/political revolution in government or society.
He’s currently tuned into the HK protests and I would never fault him for having an apinion that may not line up with the Left in that case.
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Post by ☭ Bob Loblaw ☭ on Oct 29, 2019 1:28:03 GMT -5
Hey, I’m back. Last 2 or 3 pages has been more laugh out louds all around I just saw Parasite with a friend. Non comrades of the politics thread, what’s your overall view of the film if you’ve seen it? edit: Dylan Roofies fuck Movie made me get very teary because it perfectly and cleverly captured how it feels to be working-class in a room full of rich people, and how working-class people sadly often hurt and turn on eachother in the hopes of securing or maintaining a spot amongst the upper echelons of society. It captured a lot more of the class experience but I can't be bothered writing an entire movie review right now. Watched it with my mum and she felt the same which added to the weight I felt. I sometimes forget in all my bullshit woe is me moments that she's had an even longer and more difficult life than I and yet hardly ever speaks about it. She just carries on. Good movie. Also, straight up laugh out loud funny at many points. I was in absolute stitches during a lot of it. It’s essentially two movies, and somehow flawlessly executed as so. And you’re first sentence is so on point. One of the first comments I said to my bud as we were walking out dealt with upward mobility and gentrification. Go see it!
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Post by pbcookies on Oct 29, 2019 1:33:27 GMT -5
Honestly man maybe my internet barometer is faulty because I'm old now, but it's hard for me to tell when you're arguing in good faith and when you aren't. Maybe not you specifically (and I didn't say you specifically), but people frequently post on here praising Xi and Kim Jong Eun and Maduro or whoever for whatever dubious accomplishments as if it's team sports. Also just a few pages back people were saying China is using capitalism to hoard resources until ( ) takes place, or something, with the implication being that's a good and/or serious proposition. And now after a few pages of criticism of that it's "Oh, none of us really take China seriously as a model for governance." I like your race joke at the end but damn this post is like a D+, you usually do better Does it even matter either way? When I'm serious, it's not engaged, if I shit post point, it's not addressed. But really, again, you missed the point and still don't accept no one had actually said China is a viable model... Just these tacit acknowledgements of specific policies sends people 10 degrees to the right and strawman hard. It's gooberism. I'm not making a value judgement here but it's like... basic Marxism that a period of capital accumulation is necessary for the transition to socialized production. The major examples squeezed 200 years in two generations... Now a dum dum would be all lol see capitalism is needed! I'm not a historical determinist about it but your whole point right there just shows a complete misunderstanding. It feels like tensions are running high today and I feel like I should reiterate that I like and respect most of the people on here I disagree with and that certainly includes you. But like I just said to seangp we have some fundamental disagreements and I'm pretty uninterested in doing a chapter-and-verse deep dive on Marxist economics because we both have our cognitive biases and know where it will end up anyway. I think I actually do understand your argument quite well, it just doesn't jive with how I see reality, and I think from an objective standpoint a lot of Marxist views are relatively esoteric in today's world and I don't really feel an obligation to take all of them on. Hitting the hay, tomorrow is another big day toiling away as an almost cartoonish representation of a proletariat.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 1:33:47 GMT -5
I don't fully know enough to post on the Hong Kong protests but the basis for the protests were in response to extradition legislation after a dude murdered his girlfriend.
The way I'd approach this is initially being skeptical of Chinese authority opportunism but also wary of simplistic Chinese fear mongering when I've seen some odd Trump love groups and foreign boosting of the protesters.
I guess it's all bad!
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Post by Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate on Oct 29, 2019 1:36:10 GMT -5
More like last ten, holy cannoli this shit must be the hottest topic on BIL ever (excluding Return of the Mack) Dylan Roofies doesn’t hold a candle to Xan Rather
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 1:40:17 GMT -5
Does it even matter either way? When I'm serious, it's not engaged, if I shit post point, it's not addressed. But really, again, you missed the point and still don't accept no one had actually said China is a viable model... Just these tacit acknowledgements of specific policies sends people 10 degrees to the right and strawman hard. It's gooberism. I'm not making a value judgement here but it's like... basic Marxism that a period of capital accumulation is necessary for the transition to socialized production. The major examples squeezed 200 years in two generations... Now a dum dum would be all lol see capitalism is needed! I'm not a historical determinist about it but your whole point right there just shows a complete misunderstanding. It feels like tensions are running high today and I feel like I should reiterate that I like and respect most of the people on here I disagree with and that certainly includes you. But like I just said to seangp we have some fundamental disagreements and I'm pretty uninterested in doing a chapter-and-verse deep dive on Marxist economics because we both have our cognitive biases and know where it will end up anyway. I think I actually do understand your argument quite well, it just doesn't jive with how I see reality, and I think from an objective standpoint a lot of Marxist views are relatively esoteric in today's world and I don't really feel an obligation to take all of them on. Hitting the hay, tomorrow is another big day toiling away as an almost cartoonish representation of a proletariat. My good sir, You clearly do not understand my argument "quite well" as I have called out your creation of straw men because you didn't want to engage the points you're now openly admitting to not being interested in understanding. This was well after two attempted requests to clarify where anyone had suggested China as a viable model. It is also hard to make an objective claim about the relevance of a viewpoint when you demonstrated you don't even understand it and have no interest in doing so. What were you saying about bad faith? Love ya and sweet dreams. dds5
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Post by 𝕄𝔼👁𝕎𝔽𝕌ℕℂ𝕋𝕀👁ℕ on Oct 29, 2019 1:42:54 GMT -5
Serious question:
Would he be easier to engage with if with a different avatar?
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Post by ☭ Bob Loblaw ☭ on Oct 29, 2019 1:47:45 GMT -5
I don't fully know enough to post on the Hong Kong protests but the basis for the protests were in response to extradition legislation after a muchacho murdered his girlfriend. The way I'd approach this is initially being skeptical of Chinese authority opportunism but also wary of simplistic Chinese fear mongering when I've seen some odd Trump love groups and foreign boosting of the protesters. I guess it's all bad! That’s pretty much where I’m at. There’s a lengthy Jacobin article on the subject I’ve been meaning to read. I also saw this headline earlier: amp.scmp.com/comment/letters/article/3024347/hong-kong-protests-are-fuelled-ills-capitalism-not-chinas-communist that shed a new light on it. I’ll read up and report back later.
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Post by deadsouls on Oct 29, 2019 1:50:55 GMT -5
What’s the political party that wants to kill billionaires until we end global poverty? Does that make me a Stalinist? Apparently no one means what they say here so let’s aim for the stars.
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Post by 𝕄𝔼👁𝕎𝔽𝕌ℕℂ𝕋𝕀👁ℕ on Oct 29, 2019 1:52:18 GMT -5
Bro why aren't we irl buds
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