☭POLITICS☭: Election Season Hell

[Mr. Dingle Foot]

Mar 1, 2023 8:01:38 GMT -5 @whatifseanwasoneofus said:

Mar 1, 2023 6:55:02 GMT -5 @whatifseanwasoneofus said:

I’ll have my portfolio out on the battlefield

world peace achieved by the way

Don't be so mean to yourself, your photos aren't that bad.

[Deleted]

Soldiers in trenches everywhere will be brought to tears, the fighting will cease. Sean statues all over the Donbas

[Ted Mujint]

I think it's funny that your right wing co-hort actually believes the horse shit that bourgeois history tries to sell us. History is not a random collection of events, there is a direct causal relationship between all of its events and the organizations that are in place before a revolution all have a direct, historical line to and from each other. That is to say, WE make history happen, and I will not sit by and accept that my only role in life is to sit down and take it.

Any kind of "OH YEAH LULA WANTS TO SELL TANKS TO BAD BROWN COUNTRY! CHECK MATE!" that does not include the historical context of the parties mentioned in your argument is such hairsplitting nonsense that it makes me feel stupid to imagine how little some of you dipshits understand about the current global economic order. The Philippines is not a "US ally", it is under US occupation.

Philippines has a right wing demagogue because capitalism has long been in decay over there, specifically due to US and Spanish imperialism. Global south workers don't have time to educate themselves in gender theory, race, class, etc. if they are concerned about how they're getting their next meal. It's the same argument that you idiots use to never read any political theory despite the fact that you've been shoving McDonald's in your piehole while doing nazi shitposting on a hardcore punk web forum lol.

There's a lot of money that goes into keeping things that way, and the reason why we are still able to get cheap commodities from the comfort of our big, western homes is all thanks to the unpaid labor of the colonized peoples of the globe.

All of the worst elements of the bourgeois leadership in the global south and former second world are trying to follow the American neoliberal model, and they go away as scarcity goes away in all of these nations and as leftist models are proven to work, like we are seeing with Lula in Brazil.

That scarcity is important for the US dollar to remain a global banking standard. But yes, you can sit on your ass and convince yourself that this is the only way it will be and that this is the only way it's ever been, and that you can never do anything to change your lot in life.

So yes, multi-polarity weakens the bourgeois leadership of the imperial core and threatens the power structure that sees that their policies, ideologies, and goals take top priority. Improving economic conditions for the proletariat of a colonized nation make it easier for that proletariat to organize, even if it means that the bourgeoisie of that nation themselves are right wing or collaborators with colonizer states.

[Ted Mujint]

If you want to prove that we don't need multi-polarity, or that America and the West will remain a cultural center into the 21st century, then read some theory, get with a radical working class organization in your area to make sure that we are global leaders in radical politics. This shit is only what we make of it, so show me that the west can be a global leader in political economy.

[dmk]

Ngl, the second you talked shit about McDonald's I stopped reading.

[Ted Mujint]

I don't need to do anything to convince you that the US economy is failing, just go to any Walmart on a Sunday. Capitalists have the role of meeting the needs of society, but they fill that role really poorly.

This has been more obvious and apparent for poor people in poor countries for a much longer time - this is the only intrinsic difference for our working classes. If they are smart enough to get it, so are we.

[meatballmaniac]

Mercenary Sean

[dmk]

Man I don't know how else to say this, but I really just don't give a shit. Like talking about the future of the left being a multipolar world, which includes Russia while they bomb civilians and deliberately send their working people to be cannonfodder in a senseless invasion, or Iran where they kill Kurdish women for not having headwear, or India with Modi and their hindu fascists, is where you will lose most people.

I'll just shut up from now on and let you guys keep thinking this is the way forward. Good luck with it.

[Ted Mujint]

Listen man I don't disagree, all that shit is beyond horrible and fucked up, and no one wants it to happen. It's just not as simple as "Putin did this" or "Modi did that" - it was our foreign policy 50-100 years ago that created the conditions that made the Putins and the Modis of the world in the first place, and it's our foreign policy today that legitimizes their power

[Pat]

Mar 1, 2023 8:29:46 GMT -5 Ted Mujint said:

If you want to prove that we don't need multi-polarity, or that America and the West will remain a cultural center into the 21st century, then read some theory, get with a radical working class organization in your area to make sure that we are global leaders in radical politics. This shit is only what we make of it, so show me that the west can be a global leader in political economy.

why would we want to be global leaders in radical politics?

[Percussionist Foster Grant]

Mar 1, 2023 8:21:30 GMT -5 Ted Mujint said:

I think it's funny that your right wing co-hort actually believes the horse shit that bourgeois history tries to sell us. History is not a random collection of events, there is a direct causal relationship between all of its events and the organizations that are in place before a revolution all have a direct, historical line to and from each other. That is to say, WE make history happen, and I will not sit by and accept that my only role in life is to sit down and take it.

Any kind of "OH YEAH LULA WANTS TO SELL TANKS TO BAD BROWN COUNTRY! CHECK MATE!" that does not include the historical context of the parties mentioned in your argument is such hairsplitting nonsense that it makes me feel stupid to imagine how little some of you dipshits understand about the current global economic order. The Philippines is not a "US ally", it is under US occupation.

Philippines has a right wing demagogue because capitalism has long been in decay over there, specifically due to US and Spanish imperialism. Global south workers don't have time to educate themselves in gender theory, race, class, etc. if they are concerned about how they're getting their next meal. It's the same argument that you idiots use to never read any political theory despite the fact that you've been shoving McDonald's in your piehole while doing nazi shitposting on a hardcore punk web forum lol.

There's a lot of money that goes into keeping things that way, and the reason why we are still able to get cheap commodities from the comfort of our big, western homes is all thanks to the unpaid labor of the colonized peoples of the globe.

All of the worst elements of the bourgeois leadership in the global south and former second world are trying to follow the American neoliberal model, and they go away as scarcity goes away in all of these nations and as leftist models are proven to work, like we are seeing with Lula in Brazil.

That scarcity is important for the US dollar to remain a global banking standard. But yes, you can sit on your ass and convince yourself that this is the only way it will be and that this is the only way it's ever been, and that you can never do anything to change your lot in life.

So yes, multi-polarity weakens the bourgeois leadership of the imperial core and threatens the power structure that sees that their policies, ideologies, and goals take top priority. Improving economic conditions for the proletariat of a colonized nation make it easier for that proletariat to organize, even if it means that the bourgeoisie of that nation themselves are right wing or collaborators with colonizer states.

New Propagandhi album sounds 🔥

[Ass Dan]

I would prefer not to.

[johnny two cool]

Man, I’ll send a proposal for raised crosswalks to my local city council via email and think to myself, “this is it, this is the frickin long march.”

Temujin comes along and makes it clear I’m a poser.

(although I’ve got to disagree with the idea that the meaning of or causal relationships in capital-H History are simply given)

[dmk]

Mar 1, 2023 9:00:25 GMT -5 Ted Mujint said:

Listen man I don't disagree, all that shit is beyond horrible and fucked up, and no one wants it to happen. It's just not as simple as "Putin did this" or "Modi did that" - it was our foreign policy 50-100 years ago that created the conditions that made the Putins and the Modis of the world in the first place, and it's our foreign policy today that legitimizes their power

It's ironic to think these conflicts just stem from US foreign policy when most of them go well beyond the US's existence. No doubt they've added plenty of fuel to the fire throughout the years, but to take away any complicity from the other side is being disingenous.

Reality is it's just two sides to a shit coin. You wanna root for one of them then go ahead I guess.

[waste of space]

Causation is an illusion anyway

[killedbyboard]

I've been wanting to say this in this thread for song long, so here goes.

Realpolitik.

[johnny two cool]

Mar 1, 2023 10:36:01 GMT -5 waste of space said:

Causation is an illusion anyway

lol

[Porch Honky]

Climate doesn't give a fuck what y'all stand for.

[Mr. Dingle Foot]

Mar 1, 2023 10:37:21 GMT -5 killedbyboard said:

I've been wanting to say this in this thread for song long, so here goes.

Realpolitik.

English, please.

[Ass Dan]

Mar 1, 2023 10:36:01 GMT -5 waste of space said:

Causation is an illusion anyway

I mean really all of our suffering comes down to the invention of those concepts as being distinct and separate. Creates ideas of good and evil, separate causal agents, and is probably a prerequisite for farming which creates the idea of a surplus.

[dmk]

Real polithisdik

[johnny two cool]

It’s a fact that you can make multiple convincing and viable arguments about why/how a certain geopolitical situation is the way it is, or why country A does X rather than Y, power structures are more complicated than simple top-down hierarchies, etc. All of that is obviously true. The conclusion that this fact somehow means it’s somehow all relative and you can’t make ANY objective value statements about it doesn’t follow.

[MMST3K]

Narc really knows how to say so much yet so little at the same time.

[Deleted]

Crazy how we Americans are 4.25% of the world population and yet we cause 100% of the worlds problems. Some food for thought.

[MMST3K]

And before that it was the British then the Spanish the list goes on.

[Sorley Boy]

Feeling very powerful this morning. Bongbong Marcos is president of the Philippines thanks to the man in the mirror.

[johnny two cool]

Mar 1, 2023 10:50:52 GMT -5 @heckboy said:

Crazy how we Americans are 4.25% of the world population and yet we cause 100% of the worlds problems. Some food for thought.

Covid-19 supply chain bottlenecks and shortages.

[Porch Honky]

99.9% of the world's problems including everything the US has done, is entirely on fucking England.

Brexit is looking like some beautiful karma.

[johnny two cool]

stupid wet island and it’s accursed warrior-mercantilist class!!!

[Ted Mujint]

Mar 1, 2023 10:50:52 GMT -5 @heckboy said:

Crazy how we Americans are 4.25% of the world population and yet we cause 100% of the worlds problems. Some food for thought.

and 21% of the world's incarcerated with 20% of the world's wealth. Canada has 1.2% of the world's wealth, by comparison. Do you feel 20 times richer than your Canadian neighbors?