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Post by itii on Aug 26, 2024 15:45:34 GMT -5
There are lessons for a centrally planned economy you can glean from big retailers. Namely, the state would need to invest considerable resources into data collection and logistics. Or they could just nationalize amazon |
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Post by johnny two cool on Aug 26, 2024 15:50:24 GMT -5
There are lessons for a centrally planned economy you can glean from big retailers. Namely, the state would need to invest considerable resources into data collection and logistics. Or they could just nationalize amazon Why? |
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Post by meatballmaniac on Aug 26, 2024 15:59:19 GMT -5
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Post by itii on Aug 26, 2024 16:02:40 GMT -5
Or they could just nationalize amazon Why? Bc I like the idea of publicly exposing the depth of amazon's data collection and selling off the unnecessary parts to new buyers instead of breaking it up as a monopoly |
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Post by johnny two cool on Aug 26, 2024 16:04:28 GMT -5
Transportation and land use, baby.
Like Walmart, Amazon's business model exists because of the Motor Carrier Act of 1980. A heavily regulated and unionized industry suddenly wasn't either of those things anymore.
While there's been recent gains in unionization, the nature of the business model for Amazon, Walmart, and other similar entities make it almost impossible for America's seaports to decarbonize on a realistic timeline. The convenience is great, but it comes at a pretty serious cost -- both to workers and to air quality. As a piece of rhetoric, "nationalize Amazon" is great. Not as an actual thing to do.
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Post by meatballmaniac on Aug 26, 2024 16:07:43 GMT -5
Transportation and land use, baby. Like Walmart, Amazon's business model exists because of the Motor Carrier Act of 1980. A heavily regulated and unionized industry suddenly wasn't either of those things anymore. While there's been recent gains in unionization, the nature of the business model for Amazon, Walmart, and other similar entities make it almost impossible for America's seaports to decarbonize on a realistic timeline. The convenience is great, but it comes at a pretty serious cost -- both to workers and to air quality. As a piece of rhetoric, "nationalize Amazon" is great. Not as an actual thing to do. CRUSTACHE WAS RIGHT |
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Post by Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate on Aug 26, 2024 16:20:00 GMT -5
Walmart is a centrally planned economy. They literally control the supply of resources and commodities for consumer products that people need to live and in many places they do so without any outside competition. Obviously they are competing with other companies in some places but the point is the corporate mega store model that has taken America by storm is proof that central planning works. Maybe target is even a better example because they source and sell many products under their own, ever expanding, in house brands covering everything from fresh produce to clothing. There are rural communities that rely exclusively on these kind of superstores, often with only one, and sometimes being one of the largest employers in the area outside of agriculture. Even providing things like car repair, banking, cell service, pharmacy and face to face utilities payments all under a single roof. Don’t some Walmarts even have basic health clinics like a doc-in-a-box? The fact that they handle all/most of the distribution(trucking) in house is further proof that central planning can work insanely well. Walmart would work equally as well if profit value was no longer their goal, and instead it was ensuring supply and demand is efficiently met nationwide. They’re not just winging it. Every single thing they do is calculated. |
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Post by johnny two cool on Aug 26, 2024 16:25:02 GMT -5
You realize that you're basically arguing in agreement with Curtis Yarvin, right?
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Post by oatmeal on Aug 26, 2024 16:47:19 GMT -5
i don't care about any of this when the answer is danglin in front of your dahmer glasses income tax on the highest earners via a city tax Won’t work y not  |
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Post by johnny two cool on Aug 26, 2024 17:00:08 GMT -5
y not First, I’m pretty sure San Francisco already has an income tax. Still has a housing affordability problem. Income tax has little to do with the graphic I posted, which depicts taxable value per acre. Secondly, I don’t think that you can make a city more egalitarian and economically sustainable just by levying new kinds of taxes. Liberals have been trying to do this for decades and it hasn’t worked. Also if an income tax is just within a city, there’s a very easy and legal way to avoid the tax. And people already do it, a lot actually. It’s called living next to the city rather than in it. You've got people commuting everyday from Stockton to work at a Costco in the Bay Area, a roundtrip that's usually over two hours long. Costco associate is a good job, but when you consider the associated fuel costs and quality of life impact -- big problem. How does an income tax solve that? (see: sites.usc.edu/ca-regional-impact/) |
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Post by cruststache on Aug 26, 2024 17:28:56 GMT -5
Transportation and land use, baby. Like Walmart, Amazon's business model exists because of the Motor Carrier Act of 1980. A heavily regulated and unionized industry suddenly wasn't either of those things anymore. While there's been recent gains in unionization, the nature of the business model for Amazon, Walmart, and other similar entities make it almost impossible for America's seaports to decarbonize on a realistic timeline. The convenience is great, but it comes at a pretty serious cost -- both to workers and to air quality. As a piece of rhetoric, "nationalize Amazon" is great. Not as an actual thing to do. CRUSTACHE WAS RIGHT thanks, now look into habitat jimmy and his war in Nicaragua. |
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Post by Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate on Aug 26, 2024 17:48:41 GMT -5
You realize that you're basically arguing in agreement with Curtis Yarvin, right? And Hitler was a vegetarian. Totally irrelevant |
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Post by johnny two cool on Aug 26, 2024 17:56:56 GMT -5
Yes, we can in fact very quickly allocate resources if we deregulate the labor market and allow monopolies to develop. This is noncontroversial. If you look at the supply chain and shipping in general, you'll find that unions and terminal operators and all sorts of organizations were all in opposition to the Ocean Shipping Antitrust Enforcement Act from a few years ago, because it's good for them. There's all sorts of things that can be accomplished when some entity is free from market competition. We could have a dictatorship with excellent access to goods and services, we just need to deregulate the hell out of the labor market and get rid of some pesky environmental regulations and basically tell anyone who lives near a harbor to go fuck themselves. Yes, it is interesting how efficient and effective companies can be when they corner a market and exert monopolistic control. That's not exactly the model for communism.
Because trucking is deregulated and Walmart is a massively wealthy company, they pay company drivers a lot more than other retailers (https://www.freightwaves.com/news/how-walmart-uses-trucking-to-dominate-american-retail). That's not centralized planning. It's having a massive budget and distribution-centric business model. You're confusing economies of scale with communism.
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Post by thefarce on Aug 26, 2024 18:16:59 GMT -5
The argument is that central planning vis-a-vis a vanguard state (or even just a social democracy) is the most effective way to square the circle of relatively cheap consumer goods with the human and environmental cost of moving a ton of shit around and the infrastructure needed to do it cheaply and safely.
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Post by johnny two cool on Aug 26, 2024 18:30:56 GMT -5
And Amazon and Walmart are an example of that...? The Ports are already public land that is leased and the highway system is centrally planned as well -- this all involves actually existing governments. The power megaretailers exert is often, like, bad. It's bad for US-based exporters, it's bad for air quality, and so on.
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Post by The Last Online Marxist on Aug 26, 2024 18:34:16 GMT -5
cruststache LEAD THE WAY
what should I do next politically speaking? I admit you are right
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Post by The Last Online Marxist on Aug 26, 2024 18:35:56 GMT -5
I don't know if I'd go as far as to say walmart is centrally planned. Everybody started saying that after that book came out. A book I didn't read and will not read. But I am very smart regardless. I would say Walmart is a cybernetic system in a market economy, not that it is centrally planned in the sense something like cybersys would've been. Please subscribe to my podcast.
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Post by thefarce on Aug 26, 2024 18:40:57 GMT -5
And Amazon and Walmart are an example of that...? The Ports are already public land that is leased and the highway system is centrally planned as well -- this all involves actually existing governments. The power megaretailers exert is often, like, bad. It's bad for US-based exporters, it's bad for air quality, and so on. I reiterate, the idea is to reconcile the things people like about large retailers (namely convenient access to goods) with the harm they exert by removing or abating the profit incentive such that the additional cost of capital investment, higher wages, and environmental controls aren't borne entirely by average consumers but are subsidized by the state. |
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Post by johnny two cool on Aug 26, 2024 18:46:08 GMT -5
I’m confused because those things are subsidized by the state already…?
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Post by thefarce on Aug 26, 2024 18:55:49 GMT -5
See my line about "removing the profit incentive"
For the record, I personally don't think Amazon needs to be nationalized (maybe AWS but that's a different can of worms). Utilities (water/power/gas/telecoms), local monopolies like railroads, the insurance industry, and defense contractors are all much better candidates for nationalization.
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Post by burp on Aug 26, 2024 18:58:16 GMT -5
Nationalize Brazzers
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Post by johnny two cool on Aug 26, 2024 19:04:17 GMT -5
See my line about "removing the profit incentive" For the record, I personally don't think Amazon needs to be nationalized (maybe AWS but that's a different can of worms). Utilities (water/power/gas/telecoms), local monopolies like railroads, the insurance industry, and defense contractors are all much better candidates for nationalization. Yeah, sorry, it still isn’t clear to me. Not being a dickhead, I just don’t get how Amazon/Walmart work here. Both of those companies rely on an extremely DEcentralized basis. The prices are low because the final product you see has like fifty different countries of origin. And there is no way to make Amazon and Walmart’s business models environmentally sound. Like, I’m legit confused!! |
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Post by cruststache on Aug 26, 2024 20:03:52 GMT -5
cruststache LEAD THE WAY what should I do next politically speaking? I admit you are right smash fed, cut military budget, close down alot of bases, restore glass steal, and this idea richard wolf's thing about state funded banks |
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Post by cruststache on Aug 26, 2024 20:06:52 GMT -5
cruststache LEAD THE WAY what should I do next politically speaking? I admit you are right smash fed, cut military budget, close down alot of bases, restore glass steal, and this idea richard wolf's thing about state funded banks almost maybe flirt idea making internet a public utility |
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Post by The Last Online Marxist on Aug 26, 2024 20:06:55 GMT -5
cruststache LEAD THE WAY what should I do next politically speaking? I admit you are right smash fed, cut military budget, close down alot of bases, restore glass steal, and this idea richard wolf's thing about state funded banks you got it boss. I'm putting together a team of posters to shut down the bases would you like to join as the point lead?
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Post by The Last Online Marxist on Aug 26, 2024 20:07:14 GMT -5
smash fed, cut military budget, close down alot of bases, restore glass steal, and this idea richard wolf's thing about state funded banks almost maybe flirt idea making internet a public utility YES CRUSTASCHE! I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS |
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Post by The Last Online Marxist on Aug 26, 2024 20:07:24 GMT -5
thank., YOU!
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Post by johnny two cool on Aug 26, 2024 20:14:34 GMT -5
I like the crustache platform except what is “smash fed”???
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Post by cruststache on Aug 26, 2024 20:16:29 GMT -5
I like the crustache platform except what is “smash fed”??? idk I know it's a right wing thing but listened to some. Left wing economist. And idk seems to be around to fuck our wage growth, and bail out banks with quanitative easing and printing money ie ppp loans tarp |
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Post by The Last Online Marxist on Aug 26, 2024 20:17:08 GMT -5
I want to smashs omoething ASAP
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