☭POLITICS☭: Election Season Hell

[johnny two cool]

Well, it's either forces of capital and capitalists or it's not. Bernie Sanders may have Marxist and revolutionary socialist/communist sympathies, but he hasn't run or governed as a a Marxist or a revolutionary socialist.

[amplifiedohms]

Oct 31, 2024 11:55:57 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

Oct 31, 2024 11:43:41 GMT -5 amplifiedohms said:

Idk man, I knew a lot of hard-rocking construction workers in Florida who were pretty stoked for Bernie who then wen't all in on Trump.

Yeah, and then Biden sighned laws that included many of the goals of the Green New Deal championed by Bernie Sanders and other progressives. AOC, who authored the Green New Deal introduced to the House in 2019, said so.

And what happened next?

Narc I generally have a hard time understanding your posts in this thread but I'm completely lost with this one. You said Bernie would've lost to trump, I'm saying he wouldn't. Whatever happened next happened after 4 years of trump, I don't get it

[meatballmaniac]

I love having conversations with you on the Board is Life message board

[Ass Dan]

Oct 31, 2024 12:20:05 GMT -5 amplifiedohms said:

Oct 31, 2024 11:55:57 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

Yeah, and then Biden sighned laws that included many of the goals of the Green New Deal championed by Bernie Sanders and other progressives. AOC, who authored the Green New Deal introduced to the House in 2019, said so.

And what happened next?

Narc I generally have a hard time understanding your posts in this thread but I'm completely lost with this one. You said Bernie would've lost to trump, I'm saying he wouldn't. Whatever happened next happened after 4 years of trump, I don't get it

He couldn’t even win a majority of democratic primary voters who are sympathetic to his arguments. Do you really think it’d be easier on him in a general election?

[johnny two cool]

Tons of examples of this, despite online leftists emotional need to deny it. I mean, a person votes for and donates to a set of politicians because they wanted something put into law and it, in fact, did happen.

The Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 provides EPA with $3 billion to fund zero-emission port equipment and infrastructure as well as climate and air quality planning at U.S. ports. This new funding program will build on EPA’s Ports Initiative that helps our nation’s ports, a critical part of our infrastructure and supply chain, address public health and environmental impacts on surrounding communities.

Clean Ports Program goals:

-Build a foundation for the port sector to transition over time to fully zero-emissions operations, positioning ports to serve as a catalyst for transformational change across the freight sector.
-Reduce diesel pollution (criteria pollutants, GHGs, and air toxics) in near-port communities.
-Help ensure that meaningful community engagement and emissions reduction planning are port industry standard practices.

www.epa.gov/ports-initiative/cleanports#about

While shippers brace for a possible port strike early next year, the largest East Coast longshore union is praising the latest round of federal environmental funding it says protects dockside jobs from automation.

The Environmental Protection Agency earlier this week awarded $3 billion in Clean Ports grants, about half of that for “human-operated and human-maintained equipment” to convert container handling equipment from diesel to electrical power at some of the largest U.S. maritime hubs.

New York-New Jersey, Virginia, Baltimore along with Los Angeles and Oakland are among five locations that will see the largest share, $1.6 billion, of the money.

The International Longshoremen’s Association said the grants demonstrate the Biden administration’s support for organized labor.

www.freightwaves.com/news/ila-says-clean-port-grants-a-big-win-for-union-jobs

[johnny two cool]

Oct 31, 2024 12:20:05 GMT -5 amplifiedohms said:

Oct 31, 2024 11:55:57 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

Yeah, and then Biden sighned laws that included many of the goals of the Green New Deal championed by Bernie Sanders and other progressives. AOC, who authored the Green New Deal introduced to the House in 2019, said so.

And what happened next?

Narc I generally have a hard time understanding your posts in this thread but I'm completely lost with this one. You said Bernie would've lost to trump, I'm saying he wouldn't. Whatever happened next happened after 4 years of trump, I don't get it

The Biden administration and the Democratic Party adopted and passed legislation that very obviously reflects goals asserted by the Bernie Sanders campaign and other progressives. If card-carrying progressives are this massive coalition that can change the course of an election, then it seems very odd that the race between Biden and Trump and now Harris and Trump is somehow very close. Either (a) the progressive coalition is small or (b) they do not vote. Or both! Or, there's some other reason that they do not turn out, despite being a massive coalition of active voters. But that still doesn't make sense, because then Trump ought to have a greater lead than he does.

[meatballmaniac]

Haha

[amplifiedohms]

Oct 31, 2024 12:22:27 GMT -5 Ass Dan said:

Oct 31, 2024 12:20:05 GMT -5 amplifiedohms said:

Narc I generally have a hard time understanding your posts in this thread but I'm completely lost with this one. You said Bernie would've lost to trump, I'm saying he wouldn't. Whatever happened next happened after 4 years of trump, I don't get it

He couldn’t even win a majority of democratic primary voters who are sympathetic to his arguments. Do you really think it’d be easier on him in a general election?

I absolutely think Bernie would've won the lions share of independents, so yes.

[amplifiedohms]

Oct 31, 2024 12:27:12 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

Oct 31, 2024 12:20:05 GMT -5 amplifiedohms said:

Narc I generally have a hard time understanding your posts in this thread but I'm completely lost with this one. You said Bernie would've lost to trump, I'm saying he wouldn't. Whatever happened next happened after 4 years of trump, I don't get it

The Biden administration and the Democratic Party adopted and passed legislation that very obviously reflects goals asserted by the Bernie Sanders campaign and other progressives. If card-carrying progressives are this massive coalition that can change the course of an election, then it seems very odd that the race between Biden and Trump and now Harris and Trump is somehow very close. Either (a) the progressive coalition is small or (b) they do not vote. Or both! Or, there's some other reason that they do not turn out, despite being a massive coalition of active voters. But that still doesn't make sense, because then Trump ought to have a greater lead than he does.

Yeah but I wasn't talking about card-carrying progressives. I was talking about hard-rocking construction workers.

[johnny two cool]

Oct 31, 2024 12:33:24 GMT -5 amplifiedohms said:

Oct 31, 2024 12:27:12 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

The Biden administration and the Democratic Party adopted and passed legislation that very obviously reflects goals asserted by the Bernie Sanders campaign and other progressives. If card-carrying progressives are this massive coalition that can change the course of an election, then it seems very odd that the race between Biden and Trump and now Harris and Trump is somehow very close. Either (a) the progressive coalition is small or (b) they do not vote. Or both! Or, there's some other reason that they do not turn out, despite being a massive coalition of active voters. But that still doesn't make sense, because then Trump ought to have a greater lead than he does.

Yeah but I wasn't talking about card-carrying progressives. I was talking about hard-rocking construction workers.

So, hard-rocking construction workers are a fickle group of people who are not reliable voters and only liked Bernie because of his rhetorical and aesthetic appeal, and don't actually care about the policies? And the Democratic Party would be wise to cater to those people if they want to be consistently competitive in national elections? That doesn't add up. On top of the fact that Sanders didn't win the nomination and was never on track to do so. And I wish he was.

[amplifiedohms]

Oct 31, 2024 12:36:28 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

Oct 31, 2024 12:33:24 GMT -5 amplifiedohms said:

Yeah but I wasn't talking about card-carrying progressives. I was talking about hard-rocking construction workers.

So, hard-rocking construction workers are a fickle group of people who are not reliable voters and only liked Bernie because of his rhetorical and aesthetic appeal, and don't actually care about the policies? And the Democratic Party would be wise to cater to those people if they want to be consistently competitive in national elections? That doesn't add up. On top of the fact that Sanders didn't win the nomination and was never on track to do so. And I wish he was.

The amount of trades unions endorsing trump in 2020 after decades of reliable democratic endorsement... Yeah they're pretty fickle

[Percussionist Foster Grant]

A lot of people liked Bernie because a bird landed on his podium, he wanted to decriminalize + tax marijuana, and he was in favor of a universal wage. I mean, let's be honest. He was just sort of another version of the Obama thing, and although both had a lot of strong policies and apinions that clearly won a ton of favor with people, we're still talking about a lot of "average voter" types who routinely vote off gut, whether they like you or not, or whether they feel like getting swept up in a larger movement that particular election year.

Unless you were bunkered in deep MAGA/conservative world, it was pretty tough to escape the Bernie fellating across social media platforms and most left leaning media. I assume a lot of your average voters just had "Bernie good, Bernie different" hammered into their head so much, they just kinda fell for Bernie like they'd similarly fall for another polarizing figure like RFK Jr, you know?

[Percussionist Foster Grant]

Also don't discount the power of dumb people being contrarians solely for the sake of being contrarians.

[johnny two cool]

Oct 31, 2024 12:41:35 GMT -5 amplifiedohms said:

Oct 31, 2024 12:36:28 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

So, hard-rocking construction workers are a fickle group of people who are not reliable voters and only liked Bernie because of his rhetorical and aesthetic appeal, and don't actually care about the policies? And the Democratic Party would be wise to cater to those people if they want to be consistently competitive in national elections? That doesn't add up. On top of the fact that Sanders didn't win the nomination and was never on track to do so. And I wish he was.

The amount of trades unions endorsing trump in 2020 after decades of reliable democratic endorsement... Yeah they're pretty fickle

Trump got the endorsement of two trade union locals. The other organized labor organizations that endorsed him are a mix of cops and border control agents.

[amplifiedohms]

Oct 31, 2024 12:50:39 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

Oct 31, 2024 12:41:35 GMT -5 amplifiedohms said:

The amount of trades unions endorsing trump in 2020 after decades of reliable democratic endorsement... Yeah they're pretty fickle

Trump got the endorsement of two trade union locals. The other organized labor organizations that endorsed him are a mix of cops and border control agents.

That can't be right, there were two in Pittsburgh alone.

[throwdemgunz]

Interesting strategy to send Bill Clinton to Michigan to repeat Israeli propaganda talking points, maybe this time they will finally buy it 

[Percussionist Foster Grant]

He prolly had trade union endorsements because his tax policies helped to ensure lots of union bosses would continue seeing sizable tax breaks for the foreseeable future. Dudes entire strategy for anything is leveraging any future assets through some sort of loose language quid pro quo thing behind closed doors.

And the loose language is obviously all intentional, as we're starting to see in these court documents. He intentionally speaks in that word salad mob boss shorthand so he can play dumb during questioning and say he never actually said anything bad. Beautiful phone call.

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Oct 31, 2024 11:35:24 GMT -5 @dogdickrussia said:

[johnny two cool]

Oct 31, 2024 12:54:03 GMT -5 amplifiedohms said:

Oct 31, 2024 12:50:39 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

Trump got the endorsement of two trade union locals. The other organized labor organizations that endorsed him are a mix of cops and border control agents.

That can't be right, there were two in Pittsburgh alone.

Damn, then Kamala Harris only has 200% more trade union endorsements.

[amplifiedohms]

Oct 31, 2024 13:04:03 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

Oct 31, 2024 12:54:03 GMT -5 amplifiedohms said:

That can't be right, there were two in Pittsburgh alone.

Damn, then Kamala Harris only has 200% more trade union endorsements.

Bitch I'm not cruststache. .

[amplifiedohms]

Oct 31, 2024 12:58:29 GMT -5 Percussionist Foster Grant said:

He prolly had trade union endorsements because his tax policies helped to ensure lots of union bosses would continue seeing sizable tax breaks for the foreseeable future. Dudes entire strategy for anything is leveraging any future assets through some sort of loose language quid pro quo thing behind closed doors.

And the loose language is obviously all intentional, as we're starting to see in these court documents. He intentionally speaks in that word salad mob boss shorthand so he can play dumb during questioning and say he never actually said anything bad. Beautiful phone call.

It was more than likely immigration. Unions hate non-organized cheap labor. That effects their bottom line more than anything.

[johnny two cool]

I miss crustache

[johnny two cool]

Pennsylvania steelworkers want the federal government to subsidize their industry even if it fucks over literally everyone else

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"The key that I think I’m – you know, that President Trump has promised me is – is control of the public health agencies, which are HHS (Department of Health and Human Services) and its sub-agencies, CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention), FDA (Food and Drug Administration), NIH (National Institutes of Health) and a few others, and then also the USDA (Department of Agriculture), which is – which, you know, is key to making America healthy." - RFK Jr.


"The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of hard-rockers." - Me

[Percussionist Foster Grant]

Oct 31, 2024 13:15:22 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

I miss crustache

Say his name three times in the reflection of a tumbler of late morning vodka and he appears.

[carl carlson]

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[johnny two cool]

The Last Online Marxist what's your party again? I want to go to meetings. I would kick ass at meetings.

[Magnum P.P.]

Oct 31, 2024 13:30:19 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

The Last Online Marxist what's your party again? I want to go to meetings. I would kick ass at meetings.

fbijobs.gov/

[carl carlson]

man how do they not realize that nobody wants to hear them attempt to justify what’s going on in gaza

[Percussionist Foster Grant]

Oct 31, 2024 14:20:51 GMT -5 carl carlson said:

man how do they not realize that nobody wants to hear them attempt to justify what’s going on in gaza

It's stuff like this that really shines a spotlight on how little dems listen to people younger than like... 45. Because any first year college kid could explain why they hate that the US is involved in what Israel is doing.