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Post by theonefreeman on Nov 12, 2024 12:32:05 GMT -5
She lost for many reasons. She probably only lost Michigan due to how the administration has treated Gaza. I'm just tired of seeing the narrative still and the people who couldn't wait to post their, "See? I was right," shit on Instagram. It all just feels masturbatory to me.
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Post by carl carlson on Nov 12, 2024 12:32:15 GMT -5
and people don’t like that it makes “harm reduction” takes fall apart
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Post by Ted Mujint on Nov 12, 2024 12:33:24 GMT -5
I think the Democrats essentially losing an entire generation of young men, both college educated and otherwise, to right wing grifters online deserves a big chunk of the blame, and smug ass purity test leftists are to blame for that, if I could keep it a buck. Gaza was not even in the top ten of reasons democrats lost the election. I think it was a long shot for any incumbent to win in an environment dominated by the narrative that the economy was bad and prices are high. By and large, people do not vote ideologically. Trump won the "economy" argument a year ago. He didn't have to do much else. The fact that it was even close is actually a testament to the strength of Kamala's campaign. This was the biggest landslide L the Dems have faced since Reagan..... who was also a right winger who spoke to middle America's economic woes. You can't blame leftists for not voting for right wing candidates. You can only blame Democrats for alienating their own left wing base. They are supposed to represent our interests. Instead, they spent 4 years trying to prove that they could be just as bad as the Republicans. When given an option for Republican policy, or diet Republican policy, people are going to choose the former over the latter every time. |
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Post by Sorley Boy on Nov 12, 2024 12:33:43 GMT -5
It's crazy that you guys are in here being smug about Gaza when you told me I was hard-rocking for saying it was a lot of peoples' number 1 issue. Blaming voters instead of the Democrats who screwed the pooch on this election is some serious cope. This thread sucks lol I'm not blaming them, the election was swung by "price of eggs" people if anything. I'm just saying the Gaza situation is likely to be worse under Trump than it would've been under Harris. |
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Post by boundforgloryhole on Nov 12, 2024 12:33:50 GMT -5
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Post by killedbyboard on Nov 12, 2024 12:37:44 GMT -5
I think the Democrats essentially losing an entire generation of young men, both college educated and otherwise, to right wing grifters online deserves a big chunk of the blame, and smug ass purity test leftists are to blame for that, if I could keep it a buck. Gaza was not even in the top ten of reasons democrats lost the election. I think it was a long shot for any incumbent to win in an environment dominated by the narrative that the economy was bad and prices are high. By and large, people do not vote ideologically. Trump won the "economy" argument a year ago. He didn't have to do much else. The fact that it was even close is actually a testament to the strength of Kamala's campaign. This was the biggest landslide L the Dems have faced since Reagan..... who was also a right winger who spoke to middle America's economic woes. You can't blame leftists for not voting for right wing candidates. You can only blame Democrats for alienating their own left wing base. They are supposed to represent our interests. Instead, they spent 4 years trying to prove that they could be just as bad as the Republicans. When given an option for Republican policy, or diet Republican policy, people are going to choose the former over the latter every time. Your mistake is thinking the base of the Democratic party is "left wing." Please tell me how democrats spent four years proving they could be "just as bad as Republicans". What was the diet Republican policy? |
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Post by tomservo on Nov 12, 2024 12:42:22 GMT -5
The flood of weepy loser “my ____ ended their relationship with me” profiles is coming any day now isn’t it
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Post by Ted Mujint on Nov 12, 2024 12:43:04 GMT -5
This was the biggest landslide L the Dems have faced since Reagan..... who was also a right winger who spoke to middle America's economic woes. You can't blame leftists for not voting for right wing candidates. You can only blame Democrats for alienating their own left wing base. They are supposed to represent our interests. Instead, they spent 4 years trying to prove that they could be just as bad as the Republicans. When given an option for Republican policy, or diet Republican policy, people are going to choose the former over the latter every time. Your mistake is thinking the base of the Democratic party is "left wing." Please tell me how democrats spent four years proving they could be "just as bad as Republicans". What was the diet Republican policy? This should start at 10:35 in the video:
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Post by tandoori jones on Nov 12, 2024 12:43:30 GMT -5
This was the biggest landslide L the Dems have faced since Reagan..... who was also a right winger who spoke to middle America's economic woes. You can't blame leftists for not voting for right wing candidates. You can only blame Democrats for alienating their own left wing base. They are supposed to represent our interests. Instead, they spent 4 years trying to prove that they could be just as bad as the Republicans. When given an option for Republican policy, or diet Republican policy, people are going to choose the former over the latter every time. Your mistake is thinking the base of the Democratic party is "left wing." Please tell me how democrats spent four years proving they could be "just as bad as Republicans". What was the diet Republican policy? all of it? |
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Post by killedbyboard on Nov 12, 2024 12:48:17 GMT -5
Your mistake is thinking the base of the Democratic party is "left wing." Please tell me how democrats spent four years proving they could be "just as bad as Republicans". What was the diet Republican policy? all of it? Ya'll about to make me sound like Narc. Largest climate investment in history, most pro-labor presidency ever, massive infrastructure investment, chippies and science act, and that's just the stuff they were able to actually do. There was a ton of shit they tried to do, but would have needed a 60 vote majority to invoke cloture and break Republican filibuster. |
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Post by tandoori jones on Nov 12, 2024 12:50:13 GMT -5
Ya'll about to make me sound like Narc. Largest climate investment in history, most pro-labor presidency ever, massive infrastructure investment, chippies and science act, and that's just the stuff they were able to actually do. There was a ton of shit they tried to do, but would have needed a 60 vote majority to invoke cloture and break Republican filibuster. right and i love all that stuff but none of that stuff helps everyday americans in a tangible way they can see like the cost of gas or groceries etc |
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Post by killedbyboard on Nov 12, 2024 12:51:44 GMT -5
Ya'll about to make me sound like Narc. Largest climate investment in history, most pro-labor presidency ever, massive infrastructure investment, chippies and science act, and that's just the stuff they were able to actually do. There was a ton of shit they tried to do, but would have needed a 60 vote majority to invoke cloture and break Republican filibuster. right and i love all that stuff but none of that stuff helps everyday americans in a tangible way they can see like the cost of gas or groceries etc Lol brother I do not have time for this. |
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Post by meatballmaniac on Nov 12, 2024 12:51:45 GMT -5
Ya'll about to make me sound like Narc. Largest climate investment in history, most pro-labor presidency ever, massive infrastructure investment, chippies and science act, and that's just the stuff they were able to actually do. There was a ton of shit they tried to do, but would have needed a 60 vote majority to invoke cloture and break Republican filibuster. Sorry, there’s nothing we can do about the Senate rules we invented to hamstring ourselves 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️ |
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Post by carl carlson on Nov 12, 2024 12:52:04 GMT -5
you know what actually if the october surprise was the $600 they still owed us from the american rescue plan i think she would have won
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Post by killedbyboard on Nov 12, 2024 12:52:29 GMT -5
Ya'll about to make me sound like Narc. Largest climate investment in history, most pro-labor presidency ever, massive infrastructure investment, chippies and science act, and that's just the stuff they were able to actually do. There was a ton of shit they tried to do, but would have needed a 60 vote majority to invoke cloture and break Republican filibuster. Sorry, there’s nothing we can do about the Senate rules we invented to hamstring ourselves 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️ Please miss me with this ignorant shit. Thread is wilding out today. |
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Post by Reasonablepizza518 on Nov 12, 2024 12:52:40 GMT -5
biden would’ve lost even if he was sharp, everyone hates this administration lol I can't dispute that but there's no question if he came out like he did at the SotU and hard pressed Trump at the debate things would have gone differently. Fact is he's just burnt toast, mentally, and the SotU was either lightning in a bottle or a glowing endorsement for the short term benefit of amphetamines. |
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Post by tandoori jones on Nov 12, 2024 12:52:44 GMT -5
right and i love all that stuff but none of that stuff helps everyday americans in a tangible way they can see like the cost of gas or groceries etc Lol brother I do not have time for this. you don’t, but the voters spoke |
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Post by killedbyboard on Nov 12, 2024 12:53:45 GMT -5
Lol brother I do not have time for this. you don’t, but the voters spoke Yup, have a good one. |
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Post by meatballmaniac on Nov 12, 2024 12:55:20 GMT -5
Sorry, there’s nothing we can do about the Senate rules we invented to hamstring ourselves 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️ Please miss me with this ignorant shit. Thread is wilding out today. cheers! |
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Post by throwdemgunz on Nov 12, 2024 12:58:34 GMT -5
She lost for many reasons. She probably only lost Michigan due to how the administration has treated Gaza. I'm just tired of seeing the narrative still and the people who couldn't wait to post their, "See? I was right," shit on Instagram. It all just feels masturbatory to me. I think that a lot of Americans don’t give a shit about Gaza. But even for people who don’t care about the morality of the situation, sending billions towards a war while simultaneously saying they are working for a ceasefire did not help the Dems cause. Especially while everyone is feeling the effects of inflation, etc. |
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Post by johnny two cool on Nov 12, 2024 13:01:52 GMT -5
It's crazy that you guys are in here being smug about Gaza when you told me I was hard-rocking for saying it was a lot of peoples' number 1 issue. Blaming voters instead of the Democrats who screwed the pooch on this election is some serious cope. This thread sucks lol I can hate both the candidate and the voters simultaneously. I just need a presidential candidate who is able to do the things that need to be done, which means they’re going to need to be an effective and prolific liar. |
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Post by killedbyboard on Nov 12, 2024 13:04:21 GMT -5
I want a president who will destroy institutions and consolidate power to unilaterally do the things I want them to.
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Post by johnny two cool on Nov 12, 2024 13:06:40 GMT -5
I think the Democrats essentially losing an entire generation of young men, both college educated and otherwise, to right wing grifters online deserves a big chunk of the blame, and smug ass purity test leftists are to blame for that, if I could keep it a buck. Gaza was not even in the top ten of reasons democrats lost the election. I think it was a long shot for any incumbent to win in an environment dominated by the narrative that the economy was bad and prices are high. By and large, people do not vote ideologically. Trump won the "economy" argument a year ago. He didn't have to do much else. The fact that it was even close is actually a testament to the strength of Kamala's campaign. This was the biggest landslide L the Dems have faced since Reagan..... who was also a right winger who spoke to middle America's economic woes. You can't blame leftists for not voting for right wing candidates. You can only blame Democrats for alienating their own left wing base. They are supposed to represent our interests. Instead, they spent 4 years trying to prove that they could be just as bad as the Republicans. When given an option for Republican policy, or diet Republican policy, people are going to choose the former over the latter every time. The Democratic base isn’t leftists. The progressive wing of the party is overrepresented (which is a good thing). The “four years just as bad as republicans” thing is very confusing. I don’t think that if the GOP had been more powerful and better organized, you would have seen Green New Deal items make it into legislation. |
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Post by Ted Mujint on Nov 12, 2024 13:11:00 GMT -5
This was the biggest landslide L the Dems have faced since Reagan..... who was also a right winger who spoke to middle America's economic woes. You can't blame leftists for not voting for right wing candidates. You can only blame Democrats for alienating their own left wing base. They are supposed to represent our interests. Instead, they spent 4 years trying to prove that they could be just as bad as the Republicans. When given an option for Republican policy, or diet Republican policy, people are going to choose the former over the latter every time. The Democratic base isn’t leftists. The progressive wing of the party is overrepresented (which is a good thing). The “four years just as bad as republicans” thing is very confusing. I don’t think that if the GOP had been more powerful and better organized, you would have seen Green New Deal items make it into legislation. I wouldn't say leftists, but left of center for sure. The fact in the matter is, pandering to the right doesn't work out for Dems. The proof is in the pudding! |
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Post by Sorley Boy on Nov 12, 2024 13:27:02 GMT -5
It's impossible to explain things like Sherrod Brown losing, Bowman getting primaried etc. by saying the Dems need to tack left.
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Post by johnny two cool on Nov 12, 2024 13:30:42 GMT -5
The Democratic base isn’t leftists. The progressive wing of the party is overrepresented (which is a good thing). The “four years just as bad as republicans” thing is very confusing. I don’t think that if the GOP had been more powerful and better organized, you would have seen Green New Deal items make it into legislation. I wouldn't say leftists, but left of center for sure. The fact in the matter is, pandering to the right doesn't work out for Dems. The proof is in the pudding! The Biden Build Back Better plan, which progressives overwhelming supported (Bernie Sanders endorsed it), passed the House. The original piece of legislation included universal childcare and the inclusion of vision and dental in Medicare. It was then diluted in the Senate as the IIJA, but passed. It is the most substantial investment in American infrastructure since the New Deal. IRA was the largest climate bill ever passed. Massive shift in anti-trust enforcement. Amtrak has never had so much funding. The position on project labor agreements was substantially farther to the left than previous Democratic administrations. Personally, I don't think any of that goes far enough, but the point is that the policy did not appear to result in popularity. Incumbents across the globe lost, because of inflation and other post-covid problems. The US experienced less inflation and the Party lost by smaller margins. Furthermore, Bush beat Dukakis, 426 to 111, difference of 315. Reagan beat Mondale by 512. Reagan beat Carter by 440. Trump beat Harris by 86 electoral college votes. The margins for Biden and Trump, Trump and Clinton, etc. also far more narrow than the Bush-Reagan era. The "blowout" that just happened simply doesn't even compare. It's also worth noting exactly how the Democrats won after getting blown out several times in a row -- shifting to the right rhetorically and in policy and marginalizing the New Deal coalition. Four years from now, there very well may be a Democratic candidate who shifts to the right at least rhetorically, and that candidate probably has a good chance of winning. |
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Post by tomservo on Nov 12, 2024 13:36:49 GMT -5
The lesson is that we shouldn’t have done the CARES Act and Americans are bloodthirsty savages that only understand pain
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Post by carl carlson on Nov 12, 2024 13:36:52 GMT -5
were the obama and biden campaigns rightward in terms of rhetoric?
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Post by meatballmaniac on Nov 12, 2024 13:37:19 GMT -5
This election was set in stone by countless decisions made over the course of decades. There’s nothing they could have done during the campaign.
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Post by carl carlson on Nov 12, 2024 13:40:26 GMT -5
also feeling pretty confident that anyone that doesn’t pass the “would have a beer with” test is fucked regardless of their policy ideas
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