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About what I expected from the boots on the ground leader of the "leftist" movement. that's cute. you are what i expect from a completely performative clown. |
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Post by theywalkedinline on Jun 18, 2020 13:15:43 GMT -5
Taiwan is great. Wish I was able to spend more time there.
All hail British imperialism.
I've also been to the mainland. You know whats cool about Taiwan? No one told me to put my camera away, the hotel didn't have nightly passport and room checks from the police and the internet wasn't filtered. |
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Post by ☭ Bob Loblaw ☭ on Jun 18, 2020 13:19:03 GMT -5
I think the point sami and many other posters in this thread (time and time again) have tried to highlight is that there's a very real inability for some of you to grasp that the shortcomings of communist nations more times than not have very little to do with Marxism or Socialism as a concept and moreso to do with how these countries have operated historically for centuries. And simultaneously you somehow magically divorce the very real innate and inherent problems with Capitalism, Imperialsim and yes Fascism either due to convenience, ignorance or years of propaganda that has clearly worked very well.
"The West" has pleeeenty of blood on its hands yet you rarely seem to want to discuss that.
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Post by Mr. Dingle Foot on Jun 18, 2020 13:24:03 GMT -5
All hail British imperialism.
I've also been to the mainland. You know whats cool about Taiwan? No one told me to put my camera away, the hotel didn't have nightly passport and room checks from the police and the internet wasn't filtered.
I guess that civilizing mission worked, eh? Pretty, pretty good.
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Post by roofies on Jun 18, 2020 13:24:43 GMT -5
I think the point sami and many other posters in this thread (time and time again) have tried to highlight is that there's a very real inability for some of you to grasp that the shortcomings of communist nations more times than not have very little to do with Marxism or Socialism as a concept and moreso to do with how these countries have operated historically for centuries. And simultaneously you somehow magically divorce the very real innate and inherent problems with Capitalism, Imperialsim and yes Fascism either due to convenience, ignorance or years of propaganda that has clearly worked very well. "The West" has pleeeenty of blood on its hands yet you rarely seem to want to discuss that. I cant even begin to agree with any of this. This whole thread is about bashing western imperialist governments. Also if Chinas shortcomings has little to do with marxism, then why do board marxist jump in at the slightest critique of them? Every. Time. |
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Post by ed on Jun 18, 2020 13:24:56 GMT -5
All hail British imperialism.
I've also been to the mainland. You know whats cool about Taiwan? No one told me to put my camera away, the hotel didn't have nightly passport and room checks from the police and the internet wasn't filtered. Internet censorship is the only thing you mentioned that we don't do here. |
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Post by theywalkedinline on Jun 18, 2020 13:26:28 GMT -5
"The West" has pleeeenty of blood on its hands yet you rarely seem to want to discuss that. It's been discussed, a lot? Criticizing autocrats shouldn't be partisan. Trump, Assad, Xi, Putin, fuck all of them. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 13:28:04 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 13:28:12 GMT -5
"The West" has pleeeenty of blood on its hands yet you rarely seem to want to discuss that. It's been discussed, a lot? Criticizing autocrats shouldn't be partisan. Trump, Assad, Xi, Putin, fuck all of them. oh please. you clowns are always quiet. this thread called maduro a dictator, it was morales fault the coup happened, iran is a theocratic dicatorship, white nationalists love assad. who do you think is under US imperialism? you're a performance artist. |
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Post by theywalkedinline on Jun 18, 2020 13:29:53 GMT -5
I've also been to the mainland. You know whats cool about Taiwan? No one told me to put my camera away, the hotel didn't have nightly passport and room checks from the police and the internet wasn't filtered. Internet censorship is the only thing you mentioned that we don't do here. I am unaware of any laws in the United States that force foreign nationals to register their stay in the US with the local police department. Enlighten me. |
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Post by Mr. Dingle Foot on Jun 18, 2020 13:30:39 GMT -5
"The West" has pleeeenty of blood on its hands yet you rarely seem to want to discuss that. It's been discussed, a lot? Criticizing autocrats shouldn't be partisan. Trump, Assad, Xi, Putin, fuck all of them.
But the thing you don't (or can't?) do seems to be to seperate the populations of China, Syria, Botswana from criticisms of their governmetnal leaders [see Sami's article above], but you do it anytime for European countries...
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Post by Mr. Dingle Foot on Jun 18, 2020 13:31:57 GMT -5
Internet censorship is the only thing you mentioned that we don't do here. I am unaware of any laws in the United States that force foreign nationals to register their stay in the US with the local police department. Enlighten me.
Do you know what happens when you file an ELSTA to enter the US?
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Post by roofies on Jun 18, 2020 13:35:25 GMT -5
I'm so confused and lost. Like I've said before, the left can be so delusional that just straight up attacks other factions of the leftist just because. Literally no other reason.
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Post by ☭ Bob Loblaw ☭ on Jun 18, 2020 13:35:47 GMT -5
I think the point sami and many other posters in this thread (time and time again) have tried to highlight is that there's a very real inability for some of you to grasp that the shortcomings of communist nations more times than not have very little to do with Marxism or Socialism as a concept and moreso to do with how these countries have operated historically for centuries. And simultaneously you somehow magically divorce the very real innate and inherent problems with Capitalism, Imperialsim and yes Fascism either due to convenience, ignorance or years of propaganda that has clearly worked very well. "The West" has pleeeenty of blood on its hands yet you rarely seem to want to discuss that. I cant even begin to agree with any of this. This whole thread is about bashing western imperialist governments. Also if Chinas shortcomings has little to do with marxism, then why do board marxist jump in at the slightest critique of them? Every. Time. My guess would be because the majority of the time, these critiques are sensationalized, exaggerated or downright false and almost always a tool used in an attempt to discredit leftist politics. If a commie revolution were to come to the US, it wouldn't look like China or USSR or Cuba etc etc, t'd be something else. Just look at Chile for example. |
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Post by refill on Jun 18, 2020 13:36:36 GMT -5
My gal Nina Totenberg said on the radio this morning that Trump will have time to make the necessary arguments to repeal DACA if re-elected, but likely won't be able to put it together by January if he loses.
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Post by roofies on Jun 18, 2020 13:37:46 GMT -5
I cant even begin to agree with any of this. This whole thread is about bashing western imperialist governments. Also if Chinas shortcomings has little to do with marxism, then why do board marxist jump in at the slightest critique of them? Every. Time. My guess would be because the majority of the time, these critiques are sensationalized, exaggerated or downright false and almost always a tool used in an attempt to discredit leftist politics. If a commie revolution were to come to the US, it wouldn't look like China or USSR or Cuba etc etc, t'd be something else. Just look at Chile for example. There's a test run of a communist revolution happening in seattle right now, and it's imploding on itself. |
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Post by theywalkedinline on Jun 18, 2020 13:37:50 GMT -5
It's been discussed, a lot? Criticizing autocrats shouldn't be partisan. Trump, Assad, Xi, Putin, fuck all of them. oh please. you clowns are always quiet. this thread called maduro a dictator, it was morales fault the coup happened, iran is a theocratic dicatorship, white nationalists love assad. who do you think is under US imperialism? you're a performance artist. Iran is a nationalist/theocratic dictatorship...they have banned the communist party (a Kurdish led movement) and the Tudeh party. www.counterpunch.org/2013/08/23/betraying-khavaran/ |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 13:38:36 GMT -5
I'm so confused and lost. Like I've said before, the left can be so delusional that just straight up attacks other factions of the leftist just because. Literally no other reason. someone responding to a post about silence on US sanctions on syria, which will kill and kill, with a fucking "white nationalists love assad" intercept article is worthy of attack. that's not being on the left. that's being an asshole and proving my point. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 13:39:02 GMT -5
oh please. you clowns are always quiet. this thread called maduro a dictator, it was morales fault the coup happened, iran is a theocratic dicatorship, white nationalists love assad. who do you think is under US imperialism? you're a performance artist. Iran is a nationalist/theocratic dictatorship...they have banned the communist party (a Kurdish led movement) and the Tudeh party. www.counterpunch.org/2013/08/23/betraying-khavaran/..........i give up |
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Post by ed on Jun 18, 2020 13:40:22 GMT -5
Whatever. Pangzai is cooler than everyone in this thread.
China wins.
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Post by FEMA Sniper on Jun 18, 2020 13:41:21 GMT -5
My gal Nina Totenberg said on the radio this morning that Trump will have time to make the necessary arguments to repeal DACA if re-elected, but likely won't be able to put it together by January if he loses. Stephen Miller is on it and jerking off to brown kids in cages. |
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Post by theywalkedinline on Jun 18, 2020 13:41:24 GMT -5
I am unaware of any laws in the United States that force foreign nationals to register their stay in the US with the local police department. Enlighten me.
Do you know what happens when you file an ELSTA to enter the US?
Do you mean an ESTA? In the PRC you need to do something similar and still register with the local authorities. |
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Post by ☭ Bob Loblaw ☭ on Jun 18, 2020 13:41:37 GMT -5
My guess would be because the majority of the time, these critiques are sensationalized, exaggerated or downright false and almost always a tool used in an attempt to discredit leftist politics. If a commie revolution were to come to the US, it wouldn't look like China or USSR or Cuba etc etc, t'd be something else. Just look at Chile for example. There's a test run of a communist revolution happening in seattle right now, and it's imploding on itself. If that's what it is, I don't think the majority of them know that that's what it is. Unfortunately (rofl) |
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Post by Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate on Jun 18, 2020 13:41:40 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 13:42:36 GMT -5
My guess would be because the majority of the time, these critiques are sensationalized, exaggerated or downright false and almost always a tool used in an attempt to discredit leftist politics. If a commie revolution were to come to the US, it wouldn't look like China or USSR or Cuba etc etc, t'd be something else. Just look at Chile for example. There's a test run of a communist revolution happening in seattle right now, and it's imploding on itself. haha, i'd hardly call it a test run of a communist revolution, but yeah, that shit fell flat. |
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Post by roofies on Jun 18, 2020 13:42:50 GMT -5
I'm so confused and lost. Like I've said before, the left can be so delusional that just straight up attacks other factions of the leftist just because. Literally no other reason. someone responding to a post about silence on US sanctions on syria, which will kill and kill, with a fucking "white nationalists love assad" intercept article is worthy of attack. that's not being on the left. that's being an asshole and proving my point. Your post was originally about how people up here don't give a fuck about brown people, in the middle of us applauding DACA being held up. I'm not sure where your burst of anger came from. |
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Post by theywalkedinline on Jun 18, 2020 13:44:02 GMT -5
It's been discussed, a lot? Criticizing autocrats shouldn't be partisan. Trump, Assad, Xi, Putin, fuck all of them.
But the thing you don't (or can't?) do seems to be to seperate the populations of China, Syria, Botswana from criticisms of their governmetnal leaders [see Sami's article above], but you do it anytime for European countries...
If you look back you will see that I have criticized the west specifically the United States more than any other country. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 13:44:26 GMT -5
someone responding to a post about silence on US sanctions on syria, which will kill and kill, with a fucking "white nationalists love assad" intercept article is worthy of attack. that's not being on the left. that's being an asshole and proving my point. Your post was originally about how people up here don't give a fuck about brown people, in the middle of us applauding DACA being held up. I'm not sure where your burst of anger came from. that's one way of putting it, okay |
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Post by theywalkedinline on Jun 18, 2020 13:52:11 GMT -5
That being said, I have never criticized the Chinese people. I love China. I love Vietnam, I think the people there are amongst the nicest I have ever met. I've never been to Iran but would love to visit one day. That being said, none of these countries or populations are a monolith. That protest in Syria looks more like a pro-Assad rally and if you were really concerned about the Syrian people and sanctions you would also care about the people that Assad has butchered.
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