creep callout megathread / corky romano apreesh

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Jun 17, 2020 19:50:17 GMT -5 198d said:

Jun 17, 2020 19:40:41 GMT -5 dmk said:

I think there's a biiiggg difference between saying some problematic shit 10 years ago, and grown ass men trying to sleep with 16 year old girls.

You're being willfully obtuse. No one is arguing against that. Worship already responded perfectly. The two "crimes" are different, but the outcome and punishment is barely distinguishable. 

But when it's hard to convict predators, these are the means that people are left with. Cancel culture started exactly because of that, just because it's evolved from outing people who are dangerous to women(or girls in this case) to digging up old tweets doesn't mean it isn't an effective way to take those predators out of the community.

I don't necessarily disagree with all of your post either, I just think trying to make them equivalent is really downplaying how fucked up this all is. People can evolve from saying problematic stuff(just look at most of us who posted on old board interact with each other now), but paedophilia is a completely different story and should be treated as such.

[crimsonotter]

People really arguing the schematics of shitty behavior from shitty people?

Dude sucks and so does anyone that does shitty shit

[boundforgloryhole]

Jun 17, 2020 12:40:28 GMT -5 theywalkedinline said:

I'm disappointed that Neal Brennan who co-wrote the greatest sketch comedy show of all time would be friends with a hack like this greaseball.

2 comedians know each other

[meatballmaniac]

Jun 17, 2020 19:26:10 GMT -5 198d said:

Jun 17, 2020 13:07:03 GMT -5 I Gave You Power said:

Yes, when I was 18-21 and in a college environment. I'm 33 now and have very, very different apinions about women and a markedly better understanding of the shit they go through on a day-to-day basis. 

Now are you done trying to make this about me rather than reckon with the fact that you're defending Chris D'Elia with annoying-kid-in-philosophy-101 rhetoric?

I'm sorry but you're actually kind of proving Worship's point by saying this.

I don't give a shit about this comedian, he's probably a dirtbag, I had never heard of him until today. I also assume you're a solid guy, based on the little I know about you. We don't always agree, but I highly doubt you let your past define you. 

With that said, we now live in an environment where people aren't allowed to leave their past behind them and right the ship. You can acknowledge the growth you've had, however, all it takes is one person from those 18-21 years you mentioned to bring up something that shines on you in an unfavorable way to completely destroy your life. You may have done everything in your power to fix your incorrect behaviors/ideas, but that is null at this juncture. Worship is not defending this comedian, he's speaking out against this new wave of mob justice where everyone's past is now liable to be weaponized against them at any time for someone's personal gain—despite the fact there have been major cultural breakthroughs which simply didn't exist in our formative years (people older than 27, mostly). I wasn't raised in "woke" culture, I had to learn it through hard experiences and mistakes. A lot of which I'm not proud of. Should my previous errors haunt me for the rest of my life? I guess that seems to be the consensus in these crowds.

Look at what is happening at Bon Appetit. They rightfully outed the higher ups for discriminatory labor practices. Awesome. But for some reason, the mob justice started spilling over to another employee who had nothing to do with the initial grievance. This Delaney kid, who seemingly did nothing wrong in this scenario, had 8-10 year-old tweets dug up (some of which were made when he was fucking 17) of him saying some mildly offensive bro shit. He's on the verge of being cancelled, fired and has been forced to publicly apologize. For tweets he made 10 years ago. When he wasn't the aggressor in the original issue at all.

These people are not nearly as righteous or innocent as they appear. That's why I don't throw stones. Who would willingly take part in this shit? The same twitter mob who is cancelling someone with you today, will do the same to you tomorrow if you piss off the wrong person. Not to mention, almost every bad thing we have done, can be framed in a much more insidious tone in the right context.

I’d like to add to this and worship’s sentiments, that the takes on this and other cancellings reek of the same Judeo-Christian notions of right and wrong, good and evil, that drive the US punitive justice system; a system to which at least some of you are probably opposed. It’s the glee with which we watch these people get toppled that makes me uncomfortable. It’s like a medieval public hanging, and does nothing to mitigate similar behavior in others. You think kid-diddlers are going to stop because they occasionally get outed on the internet? They do it because they think they can find ways to get away with it, just as stiffer sentences don’t deter other crime.

[not Worship]

Jun 17, 2020 20:18:05 GMT -5 dmk said:

but paedophilia is a completely different story and should be treated as such.

Well, for the sake of discussion, is everyone really chopping up his behavior to being a full blown pedophile or just a horny muchacho with access trying to fuck barely legal hot women (which is such a weird stereotypical male preference that i have gone off about before, but not relevant right now really)? Ive yet to see anything conclusive, as neal brennan was sayin, that he actually prefers to have sex with underaged women or has even done anything physical with one. Obviously actively flirting with minors up to and after they tell him their age is a bad look at the least, but all of the ones i have seen seem to stop there. But the conflation of his predatory texts with actual molestation and statutory rape to drive home a point is concerning

[Ese Ese]

Jun 17, 2020 15:39:29 GMT -5 svejk said:

DICEY

[Ese Ese]

She posted a pic of them together, so, by to catch a predator logic, he might could be a predator.

[not Worship]

Ya but i assume pic was taken before they texted, and the texts stop at the age reveal

[pbcookies]

I have to remember to post the next time a celebrity pedophile is outed, seems like a boon for LPR no matter what your position is

[chaospouch]

Jun 17, 2020 20:38:00 GMT -5 pbcookies said:

I have to remember to post the next time a celebrity pedophile is outed, seems like a boon for LPR no matter what your position is

Gotta read and play that LPR market accurately

[198d]

Exactly. The defense of "I was young and ignorant" like IGYP's is no longer a viable option to these people. They can't be satisfied because they don't want justice or rehabilitation, they revel in ruining people's lives. His comment was ironic as hell.

Rather than trying to argue that you may "bounce back" from a cancellation over words or misdeeds from the past, let's just not encourage it all together? It's ridiculous people have to do such a thing in the first place. Stop apologizing for insincere mobs. A bunch of twitter vultures with nothing better to do.

Also, getting fired from your job and going viral from it is not easy to bounce back from. In some cases it's probably harder than a conventional criminal conviction. It also empowers no one and fixes nothing. Ironically, it just puts power back into the hands of those who should be our primary target.

[Ese Ese]

Jun 17, 2020 20:38:59 GMT -5 chaospouch said:

Jun 17, 2020 20:38:00 GMT -5 pbcookies said:

I have to remember to post the next time a celebrity pedophile is outed, seems like a boon for LPR no matter what your position is

Gotta read and play that LPR market accurately

The wolf of lpr

[pbcookies]

Jun 17, 2020 20:38:59 GMT -5 chaospouch said:

Jun 17, 2020 20:38:00 GMT -5 pbcookies said:

I have to remember to post the next time a celebrity pedophile is outed, seems like a boon for LPR no matter what your position is

Gotta read and play that LPR market accurately

LPR amorality

[MMST3K]

Now I suppose you guy's are gonna tell me Woody Allen's a pedo.I won't hear it, I tell you I simply won't.

[Ese Ese]

Jun 17, 2020 20:35:35 GMT -5 not Worship said:

Ya but i assume pic was taken before they texted, and the texts stop at the age reveal

Maybe, I didnt think of that. I saw that she told him she was in Toronto or whatever so I figured it was after.

Maybe he just likes of age girls, toobes

[not Worship]

Honestly i think Zuckerberg should be completely vilified for starting and continuing to direct the way social media is used around the world and instead of reining it in continues to push it further and further and refuses to address how its only exacerbated pretty much every human-to-human tension that exists

[not Worship]

Like, theres been murders streamed on social media live and theyre over here introducin new fun filters and video conferencing

[198d]

Mark Zuckerberg should get the wall. Full stop. He's not even human at this point. Consider it hunting.

[pbcookies]

Jun 17, 2020 19:45:24 GMT -5 198d said:

We all hate racists, but letting our employers be our judge and jury just relinquishes more worker power. Your employer is an actual material contributor to systemic racism, dumb individuals generally are not. This is not excusing the behavior, but trying to modify how these issues are handled and what the root cause actually is.

A white coworker of mine said the n word at work recently (while talking on the phone to someone) in reference to the Floyd protests.  My boss was told about it (not by me) and didn't do anything, yet.  The guy is a total white trash pos who says racially charged, homophobic, misogynistic, you name it, shit all the time.  I told him what I think about it and made it clear he's not to talk to me anymore, but what about people who aren't comfortable with that kind of confrontation?

I know this is anecdotal, but doesn't it matter to make a workplace somewhere where people of color and women feel comfortable that they can get through the day without the stress of contending with this shit?

[mazzario]

Jun 17, 2020 20:47:23 GMT -5 198d said:

Mark Zuckerberg should get the wall. Full stop. He's not even human at this point. Consider it hunting.

something we agree on.     turn him over to the Hawaiians who's land he stole 

[chaospouch]

Social media is a straight up social disease at this point, if it wasn’t for my biz accounts I’d be done w it for good and I only deal with it through Hootsuite rn

The herd mentality driving it all is fucking sickening br0s

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there was a time where i wanted to fight 198d but now i’m
not so sure

[chaospouch]

Nah I would still fight him

[pretzelbites]

I think it's funny that many of the same people who think literal rapists and murderers can be rehabilitated also think that someone's life should be destroyed because they made a sketchy joke 10 years ago

[MMST3K]

Jun 17, 2020 20:50:53 GMT -5 chaospouch said:

Social media is a straight up social disease at this point, if it wasn’t for my biz accounts I’d be done w it for good and I only deal with it through Hootsuite rn

The herd mentality driving it all is fucking sickening br0s

Got even worse when people realized they the average joe could make a buck doing it.

[svejk]

cancelling diddlers online willy nilly, reputation be damned, whenever there's credible evidence, even if their behavior is only morally questionable and not straight up illegal ie even if this dude was just dippin his toes in the waters of diddldom and not suckling the nectar thereof is 100% backed hard because it's the extension of the street justice any diddler would've faced pre internet just magnified by technological means.

i get the arguments against recklessness and misplaced groupthink outrage, but the only good diddler is a dead diddler imo and if destroying their reputation has to suffice for what should rightly be a much harsher consequence then i guess it'll do, pig.

[BloodFarts2]

This is all very whiny. I'm super cool roasting creepers online. New Pats kicker has a white power tattoo? I can either say oh thats unfortunate to myself or I could say fuck that guy on board. Board.

[meatballmaniac]

Jun 17, 2020 20:45:01 GMT -5 not Worship said:

Honestly i think Zuckerberg should be completely vilified for starting and continuing to direct the way social media is used around the world and instead of reining it in continues to push it further and further and refuses to address how its only exacerbated pretty much every human-to-human tension that exists

This right fucking here.

[koreangirls]

Jun 17, 2020 20:57:06 GMT -5 pretzelbites said:

I think it's funny that many of the same people who think literal rapists and murderers can be rehabilitated also think that someone's life should be destroyed because they made a sketchy joke 10 years ago

I feel like this isn’t true at all. Who have you seen do this? In fact, how many people have you even seen take a stance on both of those issues, let alone opposing ones?

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Jun 17, 2020 20:29:51 GMT -5 not Worship said:

Jun 17, 2020 20:18:05 GMT -5 dmk said:

but paedophilia is a completely different story and should be treated as such.

Well, for the sake of discussion, is everyone really chopping up his behavior to being a full blown pedophile or just a horny muchacho with access trying to fuck barely legal hot women (which is such a weird stereotypical male preference that i have gone off about before, but not relevant right now really)? Ive yet to see anything conclusive, as neal brennan was sayin, that he actually prefers to have sex with underaged women or has even done anything physical with one. Obviously actively flirting with minors up to and after they tell him their age is a bad look, but all of the ones i have seen seem to stop there. But the conflation of his predatory texts with actual molestation and statutory rape to drive home a point is concerning

Well what counts as conclusive? Do you need physical evidence of him fucking a teenager? C'mon. I mean it's pretty obvious there's a pattern here by the amount of women who have come forward and that he's using his fame to groom underage fans. I kinda find it hard to believe that this dude just unluckily continues to message underage girls, especially when a lot of these girls are saying that all it took was one look at their social media to see that they're still in high school(which he's obviously looked at).


I don't doubt some people are jumping in because they don't like him, but honestly it's irrelevant to what's going on. And I think it's kinda fucking weird that this is the one y'all jump on the soapbox about cancel culture for.