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Post by meatballmaniac on May 14, 2023 22:21:53 GMT -5
Just found a 2006 Buick LaCrosse on craigslist. One owner, garage kept, 50k miles, $5,300. Should I buy this?
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Post by pbcookies on May 14, 2023 22:24:00 GMT -5
pretty much, yeah
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Post by Sorley Boy on May 14, 2023 22:37:40 GMT -5
Is the Honda CVT really a problem? My wife has a 2016 Civic with a CVT, and you know how women get when their car breaks down after you insist they don't need a new one.
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Post by Tstigz on May 14, 2023 22:38:35 GMT -5
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Post by pbcookies on May 14, 2023 22:41:12 GMT -5
CVTs are a fairly new technology in general and my impression is that they have been rolled out before "all the kinks are worked out". I would say my experience is that CVTs on average tend to hold up significantly worse than conventional automatic transmissions. Well, "hold up" is probably not the right phrase; they tend to fail suddenly.
I'm just one guy so you're looking at a too-small sample size to say anything meaningful, but what I hear from other techs suggests the same thing, so that increases the sample size a bit, I guess.
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Post by Sorley Boy on May 14, 2023 22:44:44 GMT -5
Thanks. Honestly it's a station car and it only has 27k, so in all likelihood we'll sell it well before it fails, but maybe I'll do that sooner rather than later.
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Post by pbcookies on May 14, 2023 22:48:28 GMT -5
Yeah, I certainly wouldn't worry about it much before 100k, although I am truly pulling that number out of my ass. I would treat it like a Subaru head gasket: it's going to go at some point, but that will be highly variable and probably after you've gotten a lot of good use out of the car.
Also just want to re-emphasize I don't work on new cars. The CVTs being sold today may be massively more reliable; I just won't experience that directly for another several years.
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Post by meatballmaniac on May 14, 2023 23:04:51 GMT -5
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Post by malaiseforever on May 14, 2023 23:51:21 GMT -5
Side bar: are the head gaskets still an issue for newer Subarus? I’ve been thinking about buying a Crosstrek when my current car bites the dust.
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Post by pbcookies on May 15, 2023 0:25:43 GMT -5
Side bar: are the head gaskets still an issue for newer Subarus? I’ve been thinking about buying a Crosstrek when my current car bites the dust. As far as I know Subaru hasn't made any changes to the basic architecture of their engines (and basically never do), so it is an unresolved issue. It is usually a strength that all Subarus are in essence the same exact car, but by the same token they all have the same Achilles Heel.
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Post by codync on May 15, 2023 10:44:08 GMT -5
oh yeah, it's right at the minimum fill line and there's a wet spot on both the ground and the bottom of the driver's side rear tire. gonna head up to the shop when they open tomorrow and talk to em. thanks dog! Is the shop far from home? In either case, fill the brake reservoir all the way up with DOT3 brake fluid before you leave. If it's far, you might consider making them tow it. Safety first, of course. If the system runs out of fluid it will affect all the brakes, not just the one where the leak is. nah it was only a few miles- they loaned me a container of brake fluid this morning so I was able to top the honda off and make it no problem. brakes were definitely softer than usual and my wife who was following behind me said it looked like it was leaving wet spots after coming to a stop. in the meantime, I'll be praying that my 2014 subaru head gasket and CVT hold out long enough for it to make sense to buy something electric 🙏
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Post by nastyy on May 15, 2023 11:27:22 GMT -5
i thought i was in a good place buying and owning a 2018 civic, but now i feel like i'm driving a ticking time bomb
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Post by pbcookies on May 15, 2023 19:54:53 GMT -5
quick message to all CVT-havers:
I feel I should draw a distinction here, since it was not my intent to raise an alarm about CVTs per se. The older ones (e.g. the early CVTs in Nissans) were very bad and I would encourage people not to get one.
I have seen significantly fewer failures in the newer ones, e.g. Honda, and that could be because a.) they are newer and therefore haven't failed yet, or b.) because they are desighned better and are more reliable. I tend to think it's a combination of both.
I personally am biased towards proven technology by nature of what I do, but I think Honda's adoption of CVTs is encouraging in and of itself: they are sort of known for waiting out innovation and letting other manufacturers be the guinea pigs, and then rolling out very reliable/optimized versions of that technology a few years later.
So please, enjoy your CVTs!!!
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Post by pbcookies on May 15, 2023 19:56:44 GMT -5
Is the shop far from home? In either case, fill the brake reservoir all the way up with DOT3 brake fluid before you leave. If it's far, you might consider making them tow it. Safety first, of course. If the system runs out of fluid it will affect all the brakes, not just the one where the leak is. nah it was only a few miles- they loaned me a container of brake fluid this morning so I was able to top the honda off and make it no problem. brakes were definitely softer than usual and my wife who was following behind me said it looked like it was leaving wet spots after coming to a stop. in the meantime, I'll be praying that my 2014 subaru head gasket and CVT hold out long enough for it to make sense to buy something electric 🙏 That is giving me the heebie-jeebies just thinking about being able to see brake fluid squirting out on the ground, haha, but I'm happy you got it there safe! Please update when you can.
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Post by nastyy on May 15, 2023 19:59:01 GMT -5
quick message to all CVT-havers: I feel I should draw a distinction here, since it was not my intent to raise an alarm about CVTs per se. The older ones (e.g. the early CVTs in Nissans) were very bad and I would encourage people not to get one. I have seen significantly fewer failures in the newer ones, e.g. Honda, and that could be because a.) they are newer and therefore haven't failed yet, or b.) because they are desighned better and are more reliable. I tend to think it's a combination of both. I personally am biased towards proven technology by nature of what I do, but I think Honda's adoption of CVTs is encouraging in and of itself: they are sort of known for waiting out innovation and letting other manufacturers be the guinea pigs, and then rolling out very reliable/optimized versions of that technology a few years later. So please, enjoy your CVTs!!! bro it’s too late for all this!!! I sold the car
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Post by Tstigz on May 15, 2023 20:11:07 GMT -5
Yeah he sold it to me and now I’m feeling relieved!
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Post by meatballmaniac on May 15, 2023 20:12:13 GMT -5
quick message to all CVT-havers: I feel I should draw a distinction here, since it was not my intent to raise an alarm about CVTs per se. The older ones (e.g. the early CVTs in Nissans) were very bad and I would encourage people not to get one. I have seen significantly fewer failures in the newer ones, e.g. Honda, and that could be because a.) they are newer and therefore haven't failed yet, or b.) because they are desighned better and are more reliable. I tend to think it's a combination of both. I personally am biased towards proven technology by nature of what I do, but I think Honda's adoption of CVTs is encouraging in and of itself: they are sort of known for waiting out innovation and letting other manufacturers be the guinea pigs, and then rolling out very reliable/optimized versions of that technology a few years later. So please, enjoy your CVTs!!! 60,000 miles and my Honda CVT is going strong.
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Post by stephanie on May 15, 2023 20:12:59 GMT -5
i test drove several cars today, all in the range of 130,000-200,000 miles, and i forgot how disappointing of an experience test driving high mileage cars is. the only one that felt any good was the nissan and i'm sure a v6 cvt coupe with 136k on it is asking for trouble in the future. just for laughs here's the car in question so you can see how ridiculous my love affair with this thing is.
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Post by stephanie on May 15, 2023 20:18:10 GMT -5
i did find a 2011 buick lacrosse that i'm going to take a look at in the coming days hopefully however.
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Post by Sorley Boy on May 15, 2023 20:54:15 GMT -5
PBC is so respected on board he was able to destroy the carefully constructed reputation of Japanese automakers in a night's work.
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Post by pbcookies on May 17, 2023 19:54:06 GMT -5
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Post by used condom on May 17, 2023 20:50:06 GMT -5
Side bar: are the head gaskets still an issue for newer Subarus? I’ve been thinking about buying a Crosstrek when my current car bites the dust. Not an issue. Head gaskets on Subaru are pretty much specifically 2.5l engines from 1998-2010. The other ones can fail if not properly maintained, but the ej25 engine is the notorious every 100k.
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Post by used condom on May 17, 2023 20:53:23 GMT -5
quick message to all CVT-havers: I feel I should draw a distinction here, since it was not my intent to raise an alarm about CVTs per se. The older ones (e.g. the early CVTs in Nissans) were very bad and I would encourage people not to get one. I have seen significantly fewer failures in the newer ones, e.g. Honda, and that could be because a.) they are newer and therefore haven't failed yet, or b.) because they are desighned better and are more reliable. I tend to think it's a combination of both. I personally am biased towards proven technology by nature of what I do, but I think Honda's adoption of CVTs is encouraging in and of itself: they are sort of known for waiting out innovation and letting other manufacturers be the guinea pigs, and then rolling out very reliable/optimized versions of that technology a few years later. So please, enjoy your CVTs!!! Honda + Toyota, iirc, design their cvt in house. Nissan, Subaru both source CVT from some 3rd party. From what I understand the CVT in newer Honda and Toyota automobile are sound so long as well maintained (fluid at 60k)
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Post by stephanie on May 17, 2023 21:07:54 GMT -5
nissan cvts are manufactured by jatco which is owned by nissan.
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Post by stephanie on May 17, 2023 21:09:42 GMT -5
toyota cvts are manufactured by aisin.
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Post by pbcookies on May 17, 2023 21:20:12 GMT -5
Side bar: are the head gaskets still an issue for newer Subarus? I’ve been thinking about buying a Crosstrek when my current car bites the dust. Not an issue. Head gaskets on Subaru are pretty much specifically 2.5l engines from 1998-2010. The other ones can fail if not properly maintained, but the ej25 engine is the notorious every 100k. They changed the gasket material itself at some point, maybe around when you're saying, but the Subaru engine design by default puts more stress on head gaskets than I- or V- type engines, this is an inescapable fact. I have definitely seen Subies for HGs past 2010
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Post by used condom on May 17, 2023 21:30:22 GMT -5
Not an issue. Head gaskets on Subaru are pretty much specifically 2.5l engines from 1998-2010. The other ones can fail if not properly maintained, but the ej25 engine is the notorious every 100k. They changed the gasket material itself at some point, maybe around when you're saying, but the Subaru engine design by default puts more stress on head gaskets than I- or V- type engines, this is an inescapable fact. I have definitely seen Subies for HGs past 2010 Yes, I'm not claiming they became infallible, but I am saying that it's more a problem with a specific date range and displacement size than outside of that.
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Post by pbcookies on May 17, 2023 21:36:46 GMT -5
Quite possible. Hard to tell from my standpoint since other than design, time and miles are the two other factors so the newer vehicle I see are less likely to have failures for that reason as well. I'm pretty sure the entire time I've been working on cars they have stuck with that same damn engine year after year. Google tells me they have a clean-sheet design now, which I have yet to see in person. Maybe it's better! malaiseforever
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Post by Mr. Dingle Foot on May 18, 2023 1:16:18 GMT -5
Looks like we're finally buying a 2016 golf. Getting from a sister's colleague who's moving back to the states for around 5k, well maintained and decent milage. Should suffice for a few years, hopefully.
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Post by Cholo Molester on May 19, 2023 13:18:24 GMT -5
PB, how often would you recommend changing the valve seal covers?
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