Star Wars Thread (1,000 Years of Doomposting)

[MMST3K]

Dec 26, 2019 18:42:34 GMT -5 roofies said:

You guys are picking this apart like it's real life, and it's really hurting my brain.

Trust me it's hurting mine too and to be honest I have no idea why we're fighting anymore. I'm also not sure if we don't have the same apinion and I'm just adding more convolution to it.

[roofies]

Yah I'm just as confused.

My apinion is that Luke is just bitter because everything he worked hard for was lost with the rise of Red and the New Order. He made some mistakes and now the galaxy is paying for it.

Just how I see it, so his character makes sense.

[killedbyboard]

Dec 26, 2019 18:38:51 GMT -5 MMST3K said:

Dec 26, 2019 18:11:42 GMT -5 killedbyboard said:

Here's what i said:"he tells Kylo that in fact he is NOT the last jedi. You piece of shit."


Here's what Luke says to Kylo:"Everything you just said was wrong:....I am NOT the last jedi" referring to Rey. I.e. Luke has renewed hope for the Jedi by the end of the movie because of Rey.

A.Fine he does get his faith back but that flies straight in the face of the kill it if you have too subtext they push in the movie.
B.Movie is a complete mess of logical cracks and half baked metaphor
C.Luke should have had that revelation and come to save the day in the third film
D.Also Reys only knowledge of the order is from books yoda and luke tried to destroy because all luke did was give her no hope or understanding for what it means to be a jedi.At this point he might as well have given her a red lightsaber cause she knows more about being an asshole than a jedi.

A) the VILLAIN OF THE SERIES SAID THAT. That's not the point you're supposed to take from the movie. Kylo's position is extreme, we're supposed to reject it. Luke's position starts as extreme, but it softens, it changes, he grows as a character. He still has dimension and there's an actual point for him to be there. The overarching theme of the movie to me is you can't live in the past, but that doesn't mean we can't remember it fondly.
B) I don't recall many logical cracks or half baked metaphor
C) Who cares where he had the revelation? It's his arc in the movie.
D) Yoda didn't try to destroy the books. He knew they were gone, and was teaching HIS student, who still had a lot to learn, about what it means to be a Jedi, because he was discouraged and felt like a failure. Luke, if he taught Rey anything, it was to trust in herself. She wen't to him looking for her "place in all this." and she couldn't get it from Luke, and thought she could get that from Kylo, by redeeming him, but ultimately she learns to trust her own instincts, which was Obi Wan's first lesson to Luke. It's 10x more interesting than him being Yoda 2.0.

[MMST3K]

Dec 26, 2019 19:05:47 GMT -5 roofies said:

Yah I'm just as confused.

My apinion is that Luke is just bitter because everything he worked hard for was lost with the rise of Red and the New Order. He made some mistakes and now the galaxy is paying for it.

Just how I see it, so his character makes sense.

His character work but I don't think it was handled right like he should have trained her more but very begrudgingly until maybe he gets spooked at the end of her training.Kinda like how in empire confronting vader was the real test.So she goes off to save her friends and then maybe she starts to fail and kylo brings his lightsaber down on rey and at the last second luke blocks it with the green saber. Now thats a cheer moment.

[MMST3K]

Dec 26, 2019 19:18:48 GMT -5 killedbyboard said:

Dec 26, 2019 18:38:51 GMT -5 MMST3K said:

A.Fine he does get his faith back but that flies straight in the face of the kill it if you have too subtext they push in the movie.
B.Movie is a complete mess of logical cracks and half baked metaphor
C.Luke should have had that revelation and come to save the day in the third film
D.Also Reys only knowledge of the order is from books yoda and luke tried to destroy because all luke did was give her no hope or understanding for what it means to be a jedi.At this point he might as well have given her a red lightsaber cause she knows more about being an asshole than a jedi.

A) the VILLAIN OF THE SERIES SAID THAT. That's not the point you're supposed to take from the movie. Kylo's position is extreme, we're supposed to reject it. Luke's position starts as extreme, but it softens, it changes, he grows as a character. He still has dimension and there's an actual point for him to be there. The overarching theme of the movie to me is you can't live in the past, but that doesn't mean we can't remember it fondly.
B) I don't recall many logical cracks or half baked metaphor
C) Who cares where he had the revelation? It's his arc in the movie.
D) Yoda didn't try to destroy the books. He knew they were gone, and was teaching HIS student, who still had a lot to learn, about what it means to be a Jedi, because he was discouraged and felt like a failure. Luke, if he taught Rey anything, it was to trust in herself. She wen't to him looking for her "place in all this." and she couldn't get it from Luke, and thought she could get that from Kylo, by redeeming him, but ultimately she learns to trust her own instincts, which was Obi Wan's first lesson to Luke. It's 10x more interesting than him being Yoda 2.0.

I'm only gonna respond to one thing cause I'm tired of this. If yoda wasn't trying to destroy the books why did he send lightning down on and destroy the tree? With the books inside mind you/

[BloodFarts2]

The Last Jedi does not fuck. Let it go.

[MMST3K]

Dec 26, 2019 19:27:12 GMT -5 BloodFarts2 said:

The Last Jedi does not fuck. Let it go.

I never said it did.In fact I hate that movie.

[killedbyboard]

Dec 26, 2019 19:27:12 GMT -5 BloodFarts2 said:

The Last Jedi does not fuck. Let it go.

.

Ugh.

[killedbyboard]

Dec 26, 2019 19:23:50 GMT -5 MMST3K said:

Dec 26, 2019 19:18:48 GMT -5 killedbyboard said:

A) the VILLAIN OF THE SERIES SAID THAT. That's not the point you're supposed to take from the movie. Kylo's position is extreme, we're supposed to reject it. Luke's position starts as extreme, but it softens, it changes, he grows as a character. He still has dimension and there's an actual point for him to be there. The overarching theme of the movie to me is you can't live in the past, but that doesn't mean we can't remember it fondly.
B) I don't recall many logical cracks or half baked metaphor
C) Who cares where he had the revelation? It's his arc in the movie.
D) Yoda didn't try to destroy the books. He knew they were gone, and was teaching HIS student, who still had a lot to learn, about what it means to be a Jedi, because he was discouraged and felt like a failure. Luke, if he taught Rey anything, it was to trust in herself. She wen't to him looking for her "place in all this." and she couldn't get it from Luke, and thought she could get that from Kylo, by redeeming him, but ultimately she learns to trust her own instincts, which was Obi Wan's first lesson to Luke. It's 10x more interesting than him being Yoda 2.0.

I'm only gonna respond to one thing cause I'm tired of this. If yoda wasn't trying to destroy the books why did he send lightning down on and destroy the tree? With the books inside mind you/

That clip perfectly answers your question. Just watch it again. Also, the books were not in there. Rey had already made off with them. But again, destroying books about the Jedi doesn't mean you agree the jedi order should end, he was telling Luke that you can't learn what it means to be a jedi from ancient texts.

Also, I never get tired of talking about Star Wars. Because I like it. I bear you no animosity even though you called me a moron, and I called you a piece of shit with tongue firmly in cheek.

[MMST3K]

Dec 26, 2019 19:36:35 GMT -5 killedbyboard said:

Dec 26, 2019 19:23:50 GMT -5 MMST3K said:

I'm only gonna respond to one thing cause I'm tired of this. If yoda wasn't trying to destroy the books why did he send lightning down on and destroy the tree? With the books inside mind you/

That clip perfectly answers your question. Just watch it again. Also, the books were not in there. Rey had already made off with them. But again, destroying books about the Jedi doesn't mean you agree the jedi order should end, he was telling Luke that you can't learn what it means to be a jedi from ancient texts.

Also, I never get tired of talking about Star Wars. Because I like it. I bear you no animosity even though you called me a moron, and I called you a piece of shit with tongue firmly in cheek.

Well on rewatch I think yoda is not suggesting to keep the order going but to not lose Rey the way he did Ben. Or lose his faith in the force due to his failures.

[killedbyboard]

Dec 26, 2019 19:42:14 GMT -5 MMST3K said:

Dec 26, 2019 19:36:35 GMT -5 killedbyboard said:

That clip perfectly answers your question. Just watch it again. Also, the books were not in there. Rey had already made off with them. But again, destroying books about the Jedi doesn't mean you agree the jedi order should end, he was telling Luke that you can't learn what it means to be a jedi from ancient texts.

Also, I never get tired of talking about Star Wars. Because I like it. I bear you no animosity even though you called me a moron, and I called you a piece of shit with tongue firmly in cheek.

Well on rewatch I think yoda is not suggesting to keep the order going but to not lose Rey the way he did Ben. 

"So it is time, for the Jedi order to end"
"time it is...for you to look beyond a pile of books"

It was a rebuke of the notion, not an endorsement. Who knows better the blindness and hubris of the Jedi thab Yoda? He let the Sith infiltrate the republic and destroy the jedi order, and wen't into self imposed exile for 25 years. He wasn't out there helping the young jedi escape, helping the resistance etc, he exiled himself.

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Yoda needed to do some stalinist purges

[MMST3K]

Yoda acts like the face he puts on in empire to test luke.In the last jedi I just thought that a fun fact.

[variousmaterials]

Dec 26, 2019 19:21:56 GMT -5 MMST3K said:

Dec 26, 2019 19:05:47 GMT -5 roofies said:

Yah I'm just as confused.

My apinion is that Luke is just bitter because everything he worked hard for was lost with the rise of Red and the New Order. He made some mistakes and now the galaxy is paying for it.

Just how I see it, so his character makes sense.

So she goes off to save her friends and then maybe she starts to fail and kylo brings his lightsaber down on rey and at the last second luke blocks it with the green saber. Now thats a cheer moment.

Don't really have a horse in this race, but this idea is bad.

Back to it, then.

[killedbyboard]

Dec 26, 2019 18:25:41 GMT -5 vomitponx said:

i might be missing something because i dont remember tfa or tlj but how does luke even know about rey if shes palpatines granddaughter. they were never introduced and never met prior to the end of tfa which was way after luke trained kylo

Luke doesn't know her in TLJ.

[MMST3K]

Dec 26, 2019 20:05:05 GMT -5 variousmaterials said:

Dec 26, 2019 19:21:56 GMT -5 MMST3K said:

So she goes off to save her friends and then maybe she starts to fail and kylo brings his lightsaber down on rey and at the last second luke blocks it with the green saber. Now thats a cheer moment.

Don't really have a horse in this race, but this idea is bad.

Back to it, then.

I admit the idea sucks.There are not too many ways you could reintroduce luke with out coming off lame.Other than like a force push from off camera and then...


Even that would still be pretty lame. I also feel like he should have reappeared in the third film where it would have had more impact and you can structure the movie so you don't get stuck using hack kneed writing like mine.

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rise of skywalker was one of the worst movies ive ever seen to the point where i cant even put it all in writing. like it shouldnt have been made

[ed]

Everything that sucked about Rise of Skywalker was due to Ed Sheeran's goofy brother throwing everything they had set up in the first movie out the window. Love it or hate it, The Last Jedi ruined this trilogy and Disney is dogshit for not having an actual vision or plan for these stupid movies.

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idk man, this was the best jj abrams could do? like come on. this is the man who wrote armageddon, we're not exactly talking about scorsese over here

[killedbyboard]

Dec 26, 2019 20:32:40 GMT -5 ed said:

Everything that sucked about Rise of Skywalker was due to Ed Sheeran's goofy brother throwing everything they had set up in the first movie out the window. Love it or hate it, The Last Jedi ruined this trilogy and Disney is dogshit for not having an actual vision or plan for these stupid movies.

What did they set up in the first movie that was "ruined" by TLJ?

[MMST3K]

Dec 26, 2019 20:33:56 GMT -5 @jamesk said:

idk man, this was the best jj abrams could do? like come on. this is the man who wrote armageddon, we're not exactly talking about scorsese over here

Dios Mio I fucking hate that shitty movie with a fucking passion.

[No Doz]

Dec 26, 2019 20:32:40 GMT -5 ed said:

Everything that sucked about Rise of Skywalker was due to Ed Sheeran's goofy brother throwing everything they had set up in the first movie out the window

hard agree

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I loved TLJ. Nothing about it didn't make sense to me.

If you think Rise of Skywalker was shitty, I don't think it's fair to blame it on TLJ simply because I don't believe it would have been that much different, EVEN IF Abrams had written all 3 films.

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Mandalorian season 2 confirmed. Fall 2020.

www.ign.com/articles/2019/12/27/the-mandalorian-season-2-is-coming-in-fall-2020

[stevexzee]

Dec 28, 2019 2:08:07 GMT -5 @hellboi said:

Mandalorian season 2 confirmed. Fall 2020.

www.ign.com/articles/2019/12/27/the-mandalorian-season-2-is-coming-in-fall-2020

Hell yeah. With the events of chapter 8, I would certainly hope that the story will continue

[MMST3K]

These guys do spot on impressions its hilarious.

[killedbyboard]

Dec 26, 2019 20:32:40 GMT -5 ed said:

Everything that sucked about Rise of Skywalker was due to Ed Sheeran's goofy brother throwing everything they had set up in the first movie out the window. Love it or hate it, The Last Jedi ruined this trilogy and Disney is dogshit for not having an actual vision or plan for these stupid movies.

I keep coming back to this because it is straight up nonsense. TROS was pure JJ. He made his movie as if TLJ didn't exist. Like, what are you even talking about?

I will agree that not having the directors work collaboratively so they could put these movies out at a blistering pace was why these movies don't work as a trilogy.

[MMST3K]

[ed]

Dec 28, 2019 14:33:39 GMT -5 killedbyboard said:

Dec 26, 2019 20:32:40 GMT -5 ed said:

Everything that sucked about Rise of Skywalker was due to Ed Sheeran's goofy brother throwing everything they had set up in the first movie out the window. Love it or hate it, The Last Jedi ruined this trilogy and Disney is dogshit for not having an actual vision or plan for these stupid movies.

I keep coming back to this because it is straight up nonsense. TROS was pure JJ. He made his movie as if TLJ didn't exist. Like, what are you even talking about?

I will agree that not having the directors work collaboratively so they could put these movies out at a blistering pace was why these movies don't work as a trilogy.

TFA set shit up and asked interesting questions. TLJ came in and said “YOU WONT SEE THIS COMIN” to answer most of it. TROS came back and said “god dammit bitch you ruined it let me uh try to uh fix it” and the result is terrible mess.
The fact that it happened under Disney’s watch is hilarious and embarrassing.
That all being said, TLJ is a bad movie and as bad of a sequel to TFA as TROS is to it. What they did with Rey, Snoke, Kylo, Luke, Hux and Leia was not good. The arguments you’ve come up with to justify it to yourself aren’t gonna convince me otherwise. That movie felt like current day WWE writers came in and helped write the fucking thing.

[Talentless Elvis Costello]

TROS would be exactly the same if JJ had made the second movie