Star Wars Thread (1,000 Years of Doomposting)

[DAYMAN]

Dec 31, 2019 20:54:55 GMT -5 killedbyboard said:

Dec 31, 2019 19:53:20 GMT -5 DAYMAN said:

I really liked it. Then again, that's a subjective matter.

Truly not being a smart ass, but what did you like about it? I liked a few things about it in like small moments, but as a cohesive movie I found few reasons to go back to it.

There was a lot to tie up and I think that was accomplished without it running too long. Some of the shots, especially in the beginning, were great. Not a lot of holy shit moments but you don't need a lot of them. That assault on the Sith world.

Babu Frik.

[DAYMAN]

Dec 31, 2019 20:38:15 GMT -5 ed said:

Dec 31, 2019 17:47:25 GMT -5 @jamesk said:

I love this video so much

I got to 0:00:23

4 seconds here.

[roofies]

I think the Palpatine twist makes more sense than most other plot lines in TROS. He's a force ghost possessing a battered and decrepit body. He needs Rey to manifest himself to reality.

I get that the movie fails to fully describe what is going on with Palpatine. But everything about Exogul is a ghost of the past. Its not real unless people believe it, including Rey.

TRPS leaves these plot holes for a reason. Some people make sense it of, some people dont. It has flaws, but I dont think its this what most people think it is.

I might be a bit drink, but this was made since to me since I first saw it.

[RIP RIDE!!!]

Dec 31, 2019 17:47:25 GMT -5 @jamesk said:

I love this video so much

this is funny. i only watched 20 mins and she eviscerates this movie. i haven't even seen TROS and it was hard to believe the shit she was saying actually happened. the part about waiting for snoke to be ready like a pickle made me smile

[variousmaterials]

Jan 1, 2020 7:15:41 GMT -5 roofies said:

I think the Palpatine twist makes more sense than most other plot lines in TROS. He's a force ghost possessing a battered and decrepit body. He needs Rey to manifest himself to reality.

I get that the movie fails to fully describe what is going on with Palpatine. But everything about Exogul is a ghost of the past. Its not real unless people believe it, including Rey.

TRPS leaves these plot holes for a reason. Some people make sense it of, some people dont. It has flaws, but I dont think its this what most people think it is.

I might be a bit drink, but this was made since to me since I first saw it.

It means his initial plan after getting murked on the failed second Death Star was to build a third Death Star... And when the third Death Star got blowed up, he said "Fine, I'll just build hundreds of ships with the capability of the Death Stars on my desolate homeworld (which you just said isn't real?) that appears to lack any sort of resources or workforce."

Or I guess you could say building a third Death Star was simply the means to luring Rey into his clutches, but that would be absolutely fucking ridiculous. Essentially, the grand evil mastermind is an idiot who can't stop trying to "lure" friends and family for long enough to just go ahead and blow up the universe for whatever reason he has since it's never really clear.

[MMST3K]

Jan 1, 2020 8:26:09 GMT -5 variousmaterials said:

Jan 1, 2020 7:15:41 GMT -5 roofies said:

I think the Palpatine twist makes more sense than most other plot lines in TROS. He's a force ghost possessing a battered and decrepit body. He needs Rey to manifest himself to reality.

I get that the movie fails to fully describe what is going on with Palpatine. But everything about Exogul is a ghost of the past. Its not real unless people believe it, including Rey.

TRPS leaves these plot holes for a reason. Some people make sense it of, some people dont. It has flaws, but I dont think its this what most people think it is.

I might be a bit drink, but this was made since to me since I first saw it.

It means his initial plan after getting murked on the failed second Death Star was to build a third Death Star... And when the third Death Star got blowed up, he said "Fine, I'll just build hundreds of ships with the capability of the Death Stars on my desolate homeworld (which you just said isn't real?) that appears to lack any sort of resources or workforce."

Or I guess you could say building a third Death Star was simply the means to luring Rey into his clutches, but that would be absolutely fucking ridiculous. Essentially, the grand evil mastermind is an idiot who can't stop trying to "lure" friends and family for long enough to just go ahead and blow up the universe for whatever reason he has since it's never really clear.

Yeah it's uh... pretty dumb.

[escapedfromthevalley]

Dec 31, 2019 17:47:25 GMT -5 @jamesk said:

I love this video so much

Holy shit, I just noticed this video is over and hour long!

[meatballmaniac]

Jan 1, 2020 8:55:27 GMT -5 MMST3K said:

Jan 1, 2020 8:26:09 GMT -5 variousmaterials said:

It means his initial plan after getting murked on the failed second Death Star was to build a third Death Star... And when the third Death Star got blowed up, he said "Fine, I'll just build hundreds of ships with the capability of the Death Stars on my desolate homeworld (which you just said isn't real?) that appears to lack any sort of resources or workforce."

Or I guess you could say building a third Death Star was simply the means to luring Rey into his clutches, but that would be absolutely fucking ridiculous. Essentially, the grand evil mastermind is an idiot who can't stop trying to "lure" friends and family for long enough to just go ahead and blow up the universe for whatever reason he has since it's never really clear.

Yeah it's uh... pretty dumb.

It’s almost as if they should have had a team of writers plan the movies of their multi-billion-dollar franchise before they started shooting, rather than handing the trilogy off to a couple of hacks to piece together a story on the fly. The shoddy manner in which a massive multi-national corporation executed these movies is mind-boggling.

[killedbyboard]

Palpatine's plan was literally as follows:

-Hire an assassin to bring Rey, the daughter of his own SON, to him.
-Give him a knife that will lead him to the location of a map on the destroyed death star on a remote planet, that will then lead him to Exogul.
-Have that plan fail because Rey's parents SOLD HER TO A JUNK TRADER, and then told the assassin "She's not on Jakku," and then the assassin inexplicably kills the only two people who know where Rey is with the dagger he's supposed to use to find Palpatine, and then the assassin crashes his ship inexplicably in the dessert where he dies and 15 years pass wherein Palpatine does not attempt to find or capture Rey at all.
-Turn Ben Solo to the Dark Side and then use Puppet Snoke to command the first order and then create a legion of star destroyers with mini planet destroying guns on them and then have Kylo bring Rey to him so that Rey can strike him down in anger, he can flow into Rey and control her body, but instead actually he can just absorb her and Kylo's force essence and become so powerful he can EMP the entire Resistance fleet and doesn't need to flow into her at all
-???
-Profit

It doesn't even make sense within the confines of the movie, let alone in the context of the series. It's the worst Star Wars movie since AOTC.

[roofies]

Jan 1, 2020 8:26:09 GMT -5 variousmaterials said:

Jan 1, 2020 7:15:41 GMT -5 roofies said:

I think the Palpatine twist makes more sense than most other plot lines in TROS. He's a force ghost possessing a battered and decrepit body. He needs Rey to manifest himself to reality.

I get that the movie fails to fully describe what is going on with Palpatine. But everything about Exogul is a ghost of the past. Its not real unless people believe it, including Rey.

TRPS leaves these plot holes for a reason. Some people make sense it of, some people dont. It has flaws, but I dont think its this what most people think it is.

I might be a bit drink, but this was made since to me since I first saw it.

It means his initial plan after getting murked on the failed second Death Star was to build a third Death Star... And when the third Death Star got blowed up, he said "Fine, I'll just build hundreds of ships with the capability of the Death Stars on my desolate homeworld (which you just said isn't real?) that appears to lack any sort of resources or workforce."

Or I guess you could say building a third Death Star was simply the means to luring Rey into his clutches, but that would be absolutely fucking ridiculous. Essentially, the grand evil mastermind is an idiot who can't stop trying to "lure" friends and family for long enough to just go ahead and blow up the universe for whatever reason he has since it's never really clear.

Ok I was hammered last night. I guess the ships were real, but I'm taking all the Sith ghosts that surrounded him were just ghosts of the past. I dont think the ships we're that much of a stretch. They could have easily been modified ships from the past. Like there were only a couple hundred? Thats not that many within a massive universe.

Actually fuck it, I'm so hungover and trying to make sense of something that doesnt matter. haha

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Those weren’t sith ghosts. Those were cult followers of Palpatine who built all those star destroyers

[Frederik]

A lady very audibly said "OOOPPPSS" when Kylo died giving living Rey. It was super annoying at the time, she basically summarized this trilogy.

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Dec 31, 2019 22:06:22 GMT -5 heathenist said:

Dec 31, 2019 20:38:15 GMT -5 ed said:

I got to 0:00:23

That’s too bad, she makes lots of good points about why ROTS is a giant turd of a movie.

That video is an hour long...

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Jan 1, 2020 13:54:50 GMT -5 @hellboi said:

Dec 31, 2019 22:06:22 GMT -5 heathenist said:

That’s too bad, she makes lots of good points about why ROTS is a giant turd of a movie.

That video is an hour long...

yes and its all tracks. You could spend all day discussing why ROTS was bad. Im amazed she did it in an hour

[heathenist]

Jan 1, 2020 13:06:26 GMT -5 killedbyboard said:

Palpatine's plan was literally as follows:

-Hire an assassin to bring Rey, the daughter of his own SON, to him.
-Give him a knife that will lead him to the location of a map on the destroyed death star on a remote planet, that will then lead him to Exogul.
-Have that plan fail because Rey's parents SOLD HER TO A JUNK TRADER, and then told the assassin "She's not on Jakku," and then the assassin inexplicably kills the only two people who know where Rey is with the dagger he's supposed to use to find Palpatine, and then the assassin crashes his ship inexplicably in the dessert where he dies and 15 years pass wherein Palpatine does not attempt to find or capture Rey at all.
-Turn Ben Solo to the Dark Side and then use Puppet Snoke to command the first order and then create a legion of star destroyers with mini planet destroying guns on them and then have Kylo bring Rey to him so that Rey can strike him down in anger, he can flow into Rey and control her body, but instead actually he can just absorb her and Kylo's force essence and become so powerful he can EMP the entire Resistance fleet and doesn't need to flow into her at all
-???
-Profit

It doesn't even make sense within the confines of the movie, let alone in the context of the series. It's the worst Star Wars movie since AOTC.

It’s all so fucking dumb. It’s almost like the entire Palpatine plot was retconned after the first 2 movies had already been made. And in addition to the points you brought up, the video posted bring up the really good point of how fucking stupid it was for Rey’s parents to sell her to a shady ass scumbag junker who would surely sell her out as soon as anyone came looking for her. They sold her... to protect her? What?

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That video doesn’t raise the plot hole of WHEN DID PALPATINE HAVE TIME TO HAVE KIDS? It was never ever established that he was married or had kids. Completely new out of the blue development

[heathenist]

Can we also talk about how shitty Finn and Poe’s arcs were? Like, is Finn in love with Rey? They set up this in the quicksand when he is about to tell her something but gets cutoff, and then he never actually tells her what he was going to say. Why even include that moment? I can’t tell if it’s bad writing or bad editing. But Finn was basically useless in this movie and his character lacked any depth. I thought after he saw her blow up the transport ship he would have a beat where he realizes they can never be together because of her power and would spend some of the movie coming to terms with that and realizing he will never be able to really protect her, but nope, nothing, he just meets a female version of himself who he has no chemistry with and I guess we are supposed to forget about the first two movies and first half of this one setting up the fact that he is in love with Rey.

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Jan 1, 2020 14:03:56 GMT -5 @jamesk said:

That video doesn’t raise the plot hole of WHEN DID PALPATINE HAVE TIME TO HAVE KIDS? It was never ever established that he was married or had kids. Completely new out of the blue development

You think he didn't bring that power surge ability into the bedroom from time to time?

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Jan 1, 2020 14:05:16 GMT -5 heathenist said:

Can we also talk about how shitty Finn and Poe’s arcs were? Like, is Finn in love with Rey? They set up this in the quicksand when he is about to tell her something but gets cutoff, and then he never actually tells her what he was going to say. Why even include that moment? I can’t tell if it’s bad writing or bad editing. But Finn was basically useless in this movie and his character lacked any depth. I thought after he saw her blow up the transport ship he would have a beat where he realizes they can never be together because of her power and would spend some of the movie coming to terms with that and realizing he will never be able to really protect her, but nope, nothing, he just meets a female version of himself who he has no chemistry with and I guess we are supposed to forget about the first two movies and first half of this one setting up the fact that he is in love with Rey.

Bro. This was the most sexually confusing movie I’ve ever seen and we’re talking a film franchise that started with a brother wanting to fuck his sister for two movies.

Finn is in love with Rey.
Rose is in love with Finn.
Poe is in love with Finn, but also maybe dating him?
Poe is also in love with weird Daft Punk Keri Russell.
Rey is in love with Kylo Ren.
Female Finn is in love with Finn.
Finn has the hots for Female Finn.
Lando might be Female Finn’s dad but also he may want to bang her?

[heathenist]

Jan 1, 2020 14:03:56 GMT -5 @jamesk said:

That video doesn’t raise the plot hole of WHEN DID PALPATINE HAVE TIME TO HAVE KIDS? It was never ever established that he was married or had kids. Completely new out of the blue development

Did they ever establish which parent was Palpatine’s kid? Maybe he grew them in a tube the same way he did Snoke.

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Jan 1, 2020 14:08:44 GMT -5 heathenist said:

Jan 1, 2020 14:03:56 GMT -5 @jamesk said:

That video doesn’t raise the plot hole of WHEN DID PALPATINE HAVE TIME TO HAVE KIDS? It was never ever established that he was married or had kids. Completely new out of the blue development

Did they ever establish which parent was Palpatine’s kid? Maybe he grew them in a tube the same way he did Snoke.

they sure didn’t. Yeah when in doubt, clone it out

[Frederik]

Jan 1, 2020 14:08:44 GMT -5 heathenist said:

Jan 1, 2020 14:03:56 GMT -5 @jamesk said:

That video doesn’t raise the plot hole of WHEN DID PALPATINE HAVE TIME TO HAVE KIDS? It was never ever established that he was married or had kids. Completely new out of the blue development

Did they ever establish which parent was Palpatine’s kid? Maybe he grew them in a tube the same way he did Snoke.

I'm almost positive it was the dad.

[killedbyboard]

With Rey being a Palpatine, and the new canon that Palpatine literally created Anakin, these 9 movies have been about the Palpatines more than they've been about Skywalkers.

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For the record, anyone who thinks “force sensitive” is any better than midichlorians is an asshole. It’s literally an Oberlin way of saying midichlorian

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Jan 1, 2020 14:12:59 GMT -5 killedbyboard said:

With Rey being a Palpatine, and the new canon that Palpatine literally created Anakin, these 9 movies have been about the Palpatines more than they've been about Skywalkers.

slow down, pimp. She said her name was Skywalker at the end, ok?

[killedbyboard]

Jan 1, 2020 14:05:16 GMT -5 heathenist said:

Can we also talk about how shitty Finn and Poe’s arcs were? Like, is Finn in love with Rey? They set up this in the quicksand when he is about to tell her something but gets cutoff, and then he never actually tells her what he was going to say. Why even include that moment? I can’t tell if it’s bad writing or bad editing. But Finn was basically useless in this movie and his character lacked any depth. I thought after he saw her blow up the transport ship he would have a beat where he realizes they can never be together because of her power and would spend some of the movie coming to terms with that and realizing he will never be able to really protect her, but nope, nothing, he just meets a female version of himself who he has no chemistry with and I guess we are supposed to forget about the first two movies and first half of this one setting up the fact that he is in love with Rey.

I hated Finn from the jump. There was so much fodder for good character development for him. He was stolen from his parents and raised up in the First Order as a stormtrooper, brainwashed from youth. Yet, when finally in combat he's horrified by what the First Order does and it challenges what he believes. He decides to defect. That's all great. But he goes from brainwashed storm trooper to plucky cartoon character with nothing in between. No pangs of guilt at having to shoot and kill his former brethren, nothing of his former self remains after the switch. No mistrust or shock that a stormtroopers has been in their midst the whole time and was lying about who he was. The thing that makes him interesting is meaningless. It essentially exists so everyone can tell him he's a traitor. TLJ at least gave him an arc. He's selfish, he doesn't care about a cause. He cares about Rey and getting as far away from his past as he can. Rose convinces him to believe in what the resistance stands for, not merely what it is fighting (what the Casino adventure was actually for) and he decides to face the First Order head on rather than run. Rose shows him he still has a lot to learn about being in the resistance. He goes back to being a cartoon character ceaselessly pursuing Rey in the TROS and might as well not even be in the movie.

[killedbyboard]

Jan 1, 2020 14:14:24 GMT -5 @jamesk said:

For the record, anyone who thinks “force sensitive” is any better than midichlorians is an asshole. It’s literally an Oberlin way of saying midichlorian

Not quite my G; saying force sensitive in this universe just means aware of the force, able to commune with the force sort of like Maz Kanata and Chirrut Imwe seem to be able to do. Midichlorians are literally beings in the blood that Jedi used as a unit of measurement akin to power levels in DragonBall Z or thread count when sheet shopping. They are talking about the same concept (the force), but they are not the same thing.

[ed]

Speaking of Dragon Ball, GT > This trilogy

[killedbyboard]

Jan 1, 2020 14:50:27 GMT -5 ed said:

Speaking of Dragon Ball, GT > This trilogy

It makes about as much sense.

[𝖒𝖊𝖔𝖜𝖋𝖚𝖓𝖈𝖙𝖎𝖔𝖓]

Will they also ignore these movies years later for a new set of sequels like GT?