☭POLITICS☭: Election Season Hell

[roofies]

Must be exhausting believing a massive fascistic driven genocide is coming and all you can do is scream in the internet about it.

[Deleted]

Well, between the global consensus fracturing because of nationalism when we desperately need it, catastrophic climate collapse, trying to give a shit about my community and my personal problems. Yeah, I am exhausted and just wanna die.

[Frederik]

It sure beats shrieking about antifa and "the left"

[roofies]

I don’t complain about antifa and the left as a stance, since I am on the left and hate fascism. I hate their tactics, and as someone who’s actually had death threats put out in me by actual Nazis and atomwaffen, I think the lefts response to the right is pathetic.

You think a migrant genocide is coming, yet you want migrants to cross the boarder. So they can be subjected to the upcoming genocide. It’s so illogical. I want that people coming in because they have a better opportunity here in Theory. But I also don’t think in the least were on the verge of a migrant genocide. That is a fringe conspiracy theory. Period.

[Frederik]

Nov 1, 2018 22:07:31 GMT -5 roofies said:

You think a migrant genocide is coming, yet you want migrants to cross the boarder. So they can be subjected to the upcoming genocide. It’s so illogical. 

Well,  I am half German.

[tandoori jones]

Yesterday over 1600 scientists, including 9 Nobel laureates sighned an open letter denouncing the scientific claims in Trump’s anti-trans memo.

I spoke with the scientists behind the letter about this tricky science stuff.

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[lobsterdog]

Nov 1, 2018 22:07:31 GMT -5 roofies said:

I am on the left

No you aren't.

[roofies]

Nov 2, 2018 12:43:47 GMT -5 lobsterdog said:

Nov 1, 2018 22:07:31 GMT -5 roofies said:

I am on the left

No you aren't.

Oh Im sorry mom, didn't see you pop in here.

[Deleted]

You two are cute

[fuzzyslippers]

Nov 1, 2018 22:07:31 GMT -5 roofies said:

I don’t complain about antifa and the left as a stance, since I am on the left and hate fascism. I hate their tactics, and as someone who’s actually had death threats put out in me by actual Nazis and atomwaffen, I think the lefts response to the right is pathetic.

You think a migrant genocide is coming, yet you want migrants to cross the boarder. So they can be subjected to the upcoming genocide. It’s so illogical. I want that people coming in because they have a better opportunity here in Theory. But I also don’t think in the least were on the verge of a migrant genocide. That is a fringe conspiracy theory. Period.

This is such a stretch lol

[roofies]

predicting a immigrant genocide is a stretch. thats the whole point.

[lobsterdog]

Nov 2, 2018 14:51:03 GMT -5 roofies said:

Nov 2, 2018 12:43:47 GMT -5 lobsterdog said:

No you aren't.

Oh Im sorry mom, didn't see you pop in here.

You literally do not believe in anything the left supports. You are a centrist, at best.

[roofies]

Nov 2, 2018 15:28:18 GMT -5 lobsterdog said:

Nov 2, 2018 14:51:03 GMT -5 roofies said:

Oh Im sorry mom, didn't see you pop in here.

You literally do not believe in anything the left supports. You are a centrist, at best.

Just because I dont buy into the bullshit narrative that our government is going to be throwing migrants into mass graves sometime within the next two years, Im centrist. I'll take it. 

[fuzzyslippers]

Nov 2, 2018 15:21:58 GMT -5 roofies said:

predicting a immigrant genocide is a stretch. thats the whole point.

You're trying to point out some sort of hypocrisy, as if people want migrants to be able to come into the country, but don't care/aren't considering what the administration might do to them afterward. It's disingenuous at best.

[Deleted]

Many people die in an attempt to cross the border as they flee both subjective and actualized violence -- which often times the U.S. certainly doesn't help in stopping.

[roofies]

Nov 2, 2018 15:40:02 GMT -5 fuzzyslippers said:

Nov 2, 2018 15:21:58 GMT -5 roofies said:

predicting a immigrant genocide is a stretch. thats the whole point.

You're trying to point out some sort of hypocrisy, as if people want migrants to be able to come into the country, but don't care/aren't considering what the administration might do to them afterward. It's disingenuous at best.

Do you actually believe the Trump administration is planning a mass migrant genocide?


There are many ways to criticize the current administration without making up complete and utter bullshit. On merit alone it looks bad, why create fantastical scenarios and scream that they are impending? It make no sense to me.



 

[Deleted]

crimethinc.com/books/no-wall-they-can-build

free and good pdf

[roofies]

Nov 2, 2018 16:00:34 GMT -5 @spsp said:

crimethinc.com/books/no-wall-they-can-build

free and good pdf

Im very familiar with the hardships of migrants, and crimethink. That's not the same as a planned genocide of a whole group of people within the U.S.. We can get into regimes we support, war crimes, even systemic oppression of minorities. But to think there's an impending migrant genocide is insane. I dont even know where to start deconstruction of that idea. Its just absurd and unnecessary in pointing out the ills of our government, and current administration. 

[Deleted]

Whatever you want to call what is happening at the border, the problems described in the Crimethinc. book are getting to the core of how we got here in the first place.

[Frederik]

Nov 2, 2018 16:07:02 GMT -5 roofies said:

Nov 2, 2018 16:00:34 GMT -5 @spsp said:

crimethinc.com/books/no-wall-they-can-build

free and good pdf

Im very familiar with the hardships of migrants, and crimethink. That's not the same as a planned genocide of a whole group of people within the U.S.. We can get into regimes we support, war crimes, even systemic oppression of minorities. But to think there's an impending migrant genocide is insane. I dont even know where to start deconstruction of that idea. Its just absurd and unnecessary in pointing out the ills of our government, and current administration. 

I mean don't think its "imminent" but things like stripping legal protections and labeling  entire social groups as enemy invaders definitely lays the ground work for future actions of ethnic cleansing.  Shit like that can linger around for decades and then suddenly explode (i.e. Rwanda, Darfur, The Holocaust).

Like there's rarely any real long term planning when it comes to genocide.  The Nazi are probably the exception and even then there's real debate on whether extermination was their primary goal and the death camps weren't just a last minute thing.

[Deleted]

Genocide is preceded by dehumanizing and vilifying the other. It's not an a thus b thing, but when it starts happening it's time to bring up where this logic can ultimately end up.

[fuzzyslippers]

Nov 2, 2018 15:59:06 GMT -5 roofies said:

Nov 2, 2018 15:40:02 GMT -5 fuzzyslippers said:

You're trying to point out some sort of hypocrisy, as if people want migrants to be able to come into the country, but don't care/aren't considering what the administration might do to them afterward. It's disingenuous at best.

Do you actually believe the Trump administration is planning a mass migrant genocide?


There are many ways to criticize the current administration without making up complete and utter bullshit. On merit alone it looks bad, why create fantastical scenarios and scream that they are impending? It make no sense to me.



 

They are at the very least doing everything they can to strip these migrants of their rights, citizenship, resources, what have you, until they are pretty much left with nothing and no protection. At that point, why split hairs on whether it is specifically "genocide" or not? Like others have said (and you apparently seem hellbent on willfully misinterpreting), it's not a planned event, but rather a process. It certainly isn't so far from the truth that it is "fantastical" or whatever you think.

[Porch Honky]

I like that somehow genocide is a stretch, even though they've been locking up tiny children in fucking concentration camps all fucking year.

[Cholo Molester]

I don't think I have ever responded to any Roofies post since I joined in 2009.

Everything about your view is wrong and it is alarming how you refuse to understand that what is going on at the border and the way this government is handling the situation is both wrong and dangerous. This is straight up dictator shit. You are the poster boy for what is wrong with white males.

Don't even respond to my post because even if I explained how America is systematically exploiting and killing immigrants at an alarming rate, you do not have the cognitive ability nor basic human emotions necessary to process that information and conclude that this country is on a fast track to genocide.


Also, as of 10/31 my DACA expired and still no word on my renewal. No driver's license or work permit. Work lowkey turned a blind eye and did their due diligence of checking my permit when I got hired and just kinda left it at that. This affects a lot of shit in my life and it hurts because while I have the funds and support to be perfectly fine, think of the hundreds of thousands of people who are in my situation who weren't as lucky as I was. Think of the people trying to support families. Think of the people working 14 hour days sick or injured because they have no access to medical care. Think of all of the kids that have to raise their siblings because both parents are working 16-hour shifts 6-7 days a week in inhumane conditions just for the benefit of American consumption. Imagine being part of a culture that has roots in this nation older than any white settlements. Imagine taking place side by side in American history and having places named in your native tongue, places like Montana, Colorado, Los Angeles, Pueblo, Palo Alto, etc., and then imagine that those people are told that their history is not good enough to be a part of this country. These people were affected by slavery, lynchings, segregation, and discrimination, but it is 2018 and they are still viewed as a nuisance, as exploitable people who are happy to bust their asses for a few dollars only because their countries are in shambles thanks to colonization and corruption and their culture is seen as less. Their contributions to this nation's history are not recognized or valued. We simply are not treated as human beings. It is 2018 and I am college educated, I have no criminal history, I have good credit, I have lived here for 24 years and I'm in a high tax bracket for my age and location, yet here I am screwed because my skin tone is a few tones too dark for you white people and I was born on the wrong side of a made up line. Shit, European immigrants flooded these lands, but that's cool, but a bunch of brown people desperate for a better future and willing to work for it are "invaders" and they deserve to be shot?

Go back to reading the Turner Diaries and cosplaying as a tactical hard-rocking Rambo you fucking dweeb.

[roofies]

Lol. I’ve said multiple times what this administration is doing is wrong, insane blah blah. I just think that people who think we’re in the verge of a migrant genocide are the left version of conspiracy theoriests. That has nothing to do with my view that how we treat immigrants is terrible.

Some of my best friends and coworkers aren’t citizens, so I see how this affects them on a very personal level. If I truly believed they were in the verge of being slaughtered on a genocidal level, or any level, I would be doing a lot more than yelling at people in the internet. Again, one more time, you don’t have to have a paranoid view that we are going to
Isee migrant mass graves, in order to criticize how our government handles immigrants.

[fuzzyslippers]

Man you are loving this "I'm doing more than yelling on the internet" bit.

[Deleted]

Yeah, uh, anyone within travelling distance to the border -- www.soaw.org/border-encuentro/ -- check that out. Taking place in the city of Nogales.

[mazzario]

roofies....genuinely curious...you familiar with why we haven't had troops on the border for the last 21 years?

[roofies]

Nov 2, 2018 17:25:40 GMT -5 mazzario said:

roofies....genuinely curious...you familiar with why we haven't had troops on the border for the last 21 years?

Because other administrations didn’t make immigration a central point of their existence like Trump has. That’s why the whole thing is absurd. Trump is doing what he ha salways said he was going to do as far as immigration, and he knows if he can accomplish it, he can get another term.

Also Trump thinks the military can fix anything. He’s said he would send them into Chicago, and sends them in to take out whoever he deems an enemy. So that also plays a large part.

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