Another mass shooting

[flyingwhales]

Jul 5, 2022 10:53:09 GMT -5 Reverend Bïtch said:

Jul 5, 2022 10:30:36 GMT -5 escapedfromthevalley said:

Except the people committing most of these shootings believe in a conservative ideology that has been successfully growing in power for the last 30 years, and is even currently being propped up by the SCOTUS. They are literally getting everything they dream about and are still shooting people. I don't think this is about a lack or opportunities.

If a lack of opportunities was the case you’d have less white dudes doing it. It’s a culture of entitlement and spoiled pussy brats not getting what they want so they decide to make it everyone else’s problem

ok, boomer

[meatballmaniac]

Jul 5, 2022 10:30:36 GMT -5 escapedfromthevalley said:

Jul 5, 2022 9:34:15 GMT -5 flyingwhales said:

No one wants to talk about the fact that the american dream is dead and maybe so many young people are lashing out at a society that isnt working for them and shows no hope of improving.

Except the people committing most of these shootings believe in a conservative ideology that has been successfully growing in power for the last 30 years, and is even currently being propped up by the SCOTUS. They are literally getting everything they dream about and are still shooting people. I don't think this is about a lack or opportunities.

The conservative movement is fueled by and dependent on aggrievement, whether real or perceived. These people don’t perceive the conservative political wins over the last five decades as *winning*, as such. On top of that, the result of those political wins is the total destruction of opportunities for most people. They understand the loss of opportunity is real—they just don’t put two and two together because they’re steeped in a media environment that blames it on trans people and rap music.

[flyingwhales]

Jul 5, 2022 11:05:58 GMT -5 Reverend Bïtch said:

Jul 5, 2022 11:05:08 GMT -5 flyingwhales said:

ok, boomer

Wat

calling people entitled is what my racist uncle does when he doesn't want to hear that capitalism has failed the working class. IMO its just not a constructive way to highlight the underlying cause of this epidemic. 

[johnny two cool]

It is hard to understand, I know, but it is in fact possible for a white man to have lacked opportunities because we live in a society. The idea that mass shootings are reducible to white resentment is some real cotton candy brain thinking.

[johnny two cool]

here's my preferred individual pathology that I find particularly inexcusable and irritating and as you'll see here I have conveniently made it the main symptom responsible for this larger, much more complex social pathology. Now, you'll notice that this is an absurd oversimplification that doesn't really seem to make much if any sense when you think about it at any serious length, but it also removes me and mine as being in any sense complicit in the goings-on of the world around me while also being extremely self-serving. 

[killedbyboard]

I know you are not being serious right now

[JDS]

Jul 5, 2022 11:40:17 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

It is hard to understand, I know, but it is in fact possible for a white man to have lacked opportunities because we live in a society. The idea that mass shootings are reducible to white resentment is some real cotton candy brain thinking.

[johnny two cool]

Jul 5, 2022 12:03:47 GMT -5 killedbyboard said:

I know you are not being serious right now

I really don't think that social pathologies are reducible to individual pathologies, because a given individual psychological behavior can have a multitude of underlying "causes." It's not really any more sophisticated than the knee-jerk idea that this is all because people don't go to church enough. 

[amplifiedohms]

I hear yall, but im still gonna refer to 4chan racists/incels/mass shooters as entitled bitch-made pussies.

[redstarohyeah]

We really gotta start VOTING these shootings away. I trust the centrist dems to wake up and fix this.

[chuggingpus]

Jul 5, 2022 11:27:13 GMT -5 flyingwhales said:

Jul 5, 2022 11:05:58 GMT -5 Reverend Bïtch said:

Wat

calling people entitled is what my racist uncle does when he doesn't want to hear that capitalism has failed the working class. IMO its just not a constructive way to highlight the underlying cause of this epidemic. 

Good luck with that communism thing

www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/08/03/giving-historys-greatest-mass-murderer-his-due/

[flyingwhales]

Jul 5, 2022 12:42:19 GMT -5 chuggingpus said:

Jul 5, 2022 11:27:13 GMT -5 flyingwhales said:

calling people entitled is what my racist uncle does when he doesn't want to hear that capitalism has failed the working class. IMO its just not a constructive way to highlight the underlying cause of this epidemic. 

Good luck with that communism thing

www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/08/03/giving-historys-greatest-mass-murderer-his-due/

Criticizing capitlism =/= endorsing communism

[killedbyboard]

Look, I'm all for the hopeless world view being espoused that there is nothing we can do or that the problem is something so massive, amorphous and unresponsive as "culture," but we also have the test cases of, you know, the rest of the modern world to look at.

So I say rather than being paralyzed by inaction due to the enormity of the problem, as has been the status quo for the last thirty years since the Assault weapons ban lapsed, let's look at actual data, and push for legislative and judicial reforms to national gun policy, as opposed to the patchwork of confusing gun laws state by state, with as much vigor and determination as anti-abortion activists have pushed for the overturn of Roe v. Wade. Rather than belittling the efforts of anti-gun advocates, how about joining them and increase their ranks? How about moving the conversation of gun rights out of the theoretical and into the practical? How about being ceaseless in the pursuit of overturning Heller?

All this discussion about culture and a "sickness" is all well and good to the extent it sparks positive changes, but more often than not it is masturbatory and ineffective when not supported by action. It's even more ineffective when it is fatalistic. Our society is proficient at recognizing problems and giving the problems an ontology, but horrible at finding solutions. In fact, smart, well-meaning people cede the solutions to problems to the powerful and the wealthy through inaction, which is partially why we are in this predicament.

[johnny two cool]

Yeah, I feel like it's maybe worth noticing that carrying out a mass shooting is extremely easy to do.

[killedbyboard]

I also totally understand the problem people have with the "just vote" message, because the party opposing a majority fascist party representing an ever-decreasing minority of people seems almost purposefully naive, especially since the fascist party engages in completely cynical, bad-faith lip service tk the democratic process to the extent it suits their ends. If one party is playing monopoly and the other is playing Calvin Ball, what does voting matter?

However, the society we are in is held together by the absolute thinnest contract: that we recognize and live by the institutions that we have created, that we can control those institutions through popular majority will-power, and that we can remove those who do not accomplish the majority will of the people. And those who are voted out ALSO recognize the power and authority of the institutions of our democracy, and that through exercising our individual rights, recognized and protected by those same institutions, we can change our society without resorting to outright violence. I think that's extremely noble and worth saving.

I also think it's obvious that the Republicans see the writing on the wall about our country's demographics, and that the corporate interests they represent similarly see it, and have used those institutions cynically to hold onto power, knowing that the other side's reverence of those institutions would prevent them from doing what needs to be done to stop it. I think it's only a matter of time before we see the Republican party as we know it disintegrate.

I don't know what the answer is to all of that; perhaps it is open rebellion and a reset of our constitution. The prospect is pretty horrifying to me though.

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we gotta ban cars and guns

[bricksandbones]

Things we've tried and can confirm are ineffective: thinking; praying; voting.

Things we have not yet tried, and thus cannot rule out their potential effectiveness: having everyone's arms replaced with swords

[flyingwhales]

The problem with "go out and vote" messaging is that the average person thinks that the president controls everything and therefore thats the only election that gets any attention.

Voting in primaries is arguably where your choice matters the most. its the difference between having a representative that actually acts in your interests vs just voting blue so that the republican loses.

[Osama Vinladen Jiménez López🎅🎄]

Crazy fireworks explosion

[johnny two cool]

Yeah, there’s also not a lot of glamor or $$$ to be made in the nuts-and-bolts of policy work or bureaucracy or anything of that sort. If you wen't to work for an NRA lobbying firm, you could make so much more money than you could in most other lines of work calling for a similar skillset. Doing poorly grant-funded work, working for far less than your law degree could earn you, blahblahblah. Idealistic young people with good career prospects tend to go for the sexy and cool nonprofits, get burnt out by how fucked that is, and then go to work in the private sector where you can make way more money and not have people call you a communist for, I dunno, explaining that you can’t use plastic pipes for this drainage system even though there’s a concrete shortage. The actual process of studying and then implementing something like an assault weapons ban requires the work of hundreds of people, most of whom are not paid particularly well (or who are only temporary workers / interns bc that’s how you keep costs down)

[BIL Security Team Alpha]

IASIP was right all this time, we need to make a Declaration of Dependence.

[Jack Hard]

Jul 4, 2022 22:45:46 GMT -5 sourtimes after dark 🎃 said:

The fact that games like Call Of Duty are selling as well as they are speaks to a deep societal rot, considering how literally anyone I know who has actually served in the armed forces avoids those games like the plague and the only people I see buy them are angsty white teenagers and these fucking dickless lawn gnome looking adults who look like children. They think buying guns makes them into some sort of sleeper agent superhero.
Right wing media is still allowed to regurgitate right wing gun industry funded propaganda which really begs the question what’s the end game here?

What up Tipper Gore?

[johnny two cool]

Joe Rogan and Jordan B. Peterson are the masterminds behind an incel sleeper cell unit.

[Jack Hard]

The columbine kids where massive Newsradio fans

[Jack Hard]

Charge parents as if they did the shooting.

[itii]

Jul 5, 2022 15:05:19 GMT -5 Jack Hard said:

The columbine kids where massive Newsradio fans

It should have been dave foley

[foggy]

Dave's a UFO guy now.

[Jack Hard]

Dave Foley is a fucking Saint.

[bricksandbones]

A new daily game show hosted by James corden or someone where the winner of each night's episode gets to decide the punishment for the previous day's mass shooter(s) on primetime tv

[Jack Hard]

For real, there's just too many humans on earth.