Another mass shooting

[pisswizard]

Sept 6, 2024 12:20:02 GMT -5 MMST3K said:

Mar 7, 2024 19:50:04 GMT -5 pisswizard said:

There was plenty of sex killers and murderers n shit in the old days but my theory on why mass shootings are a modern thing is just that the weapons to do so were not as widely available as they are now. A quick google says that there was about 50 million guns in the USA in the fifties to now about 400 million.
Now that households have automatic rifles n shit its a lot easier to carry out than when it was just grandads hunting rifle. Suburban dads were not buying very expensive Thompson rifles for their bullied kids to take selfies with like now.

In like 1912 in Albany New York some dude was running around shooting people with a suppressed 22. Not a new thing.

That was a schizoid adult who thought people were gang stalking him and he was using a concealed gun that he modified. Its hardly the same as a child taking an ar15 style rifle to school and spraying the classroom with it.

[Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate]

Sept 9, 2024 2:09:29 GMT -5 pisswizard said:

Sept 6, 2024 12:20:02 GMT -5 MMST3K said:

In like 1912 in Albany New York some dude was running around shooting people with a suppressed 22. Not a new thing.

That was a schizoid adult who thought people were gang stalking him and he was using a concealed gun that he modified. Its hardly the same as a child taking an ar15 style rifle to school and spraying the classroom with it.

Sadly it’s so much more nuanced than just gun model prevalence. Semi automatic rifles have been in people’s homes as hunting guns since pre ww2, and widely in the mid century, even with high(er) capacity mags. The pre-ar platforms were widely used and owned before mass school shootings and are arguably just as capable as ar’s. Something broke in Americas brain in the 80s and columbine was a watershed moment that brought this new form of terror widely into people’s psyche. Banning new sales would partially stop the school shootings, but even if we managed to take all the guns away, the idea of school violence has now been etched into our psyche. It’d end up being knives or hammers or pipe bombs or something, albeit with significantly less death toll and probably less frequency. It’d be a start but less deaths is still too many. Its a cat we can’t put back in the bag without deep systemic change.

[internetbully]

Just need more trains

[MMST3K]

Sept 9, 2024 11:09:18 GMT -5 Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate said:

Sept 9, 2024 2:09:29 GMT -5 pisswizard said:

That was a schizoid adult who thought people were gang stalking him and he was using a concealed gun that he modified. Its hardly the same as a child taking an ar15 style rifle to school and spraying the classroom with it.

Sadly it’s so much more nuanced than just gun model prevalence. Semi automatic rifles have been in people’s homes as hunting guns since pre ww2, and widely in the mid century, even with high(er) capacity mags. The pre-ar platforms were widely used and owned before mass school shootings and are arguably just as capable as ar’s. Something broke in Americas brain in the 80s and columbine was a watershed moment that brought this new form of terror widely into people’s psyche. Banning new sales would partially stop the school shootings, but even if we managed to take all the guns away, the idea of school violence has now been etched into our psyche. It’d end up being knives or hammers or pipe bombs or something, albeit with significantly less death toll and probably less frequency. It’d be a start but less deaths is still too many. Its a cat we can’t put back in the bag without deep systemic change.

The Columbine shooters became infamous that's the problem. Everybody can broadcast their weird manifesto and anger on a national if not global stage.

[xgreenxcloverx]

Sept 9, 2024 11:09:18 GMT -5 Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate said:

It’d end up being knives or hammers or pipe bombs or something, albeit with significantly less death toll and probably less frequency.

That's a bum argument imo. Part of the appeal of a gun is that you don't have to get your hands dirty. Just a simple pull of a trigger. I'd wager the majority of these mass shooters wouldn't have the nerve to stab or bludgeon someone to death, nor the patience & brain-power to devise an explosive. That takes commitment. Guns are there for the impulsive cowards.

"A cowards way out, punk with a gun. Took a life, now you run." -Cold As Life

[MMST3K]

Mass stabbings are a thing you know. It's an issue of weapons as much as it is a issue of mental heath. If somebody's crazy enough they'll do it but guns have made it easier there is no doubt. And to say cowards is stupid because it's also cowardly to stab 15 people. They ain't gonna give you a medal for your CQC techniques. 

[Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate]

Sept 9, 2024 12:08:17 GMT -5 xgreenxcloverx said:

Sept 9, 2024 11:09:18 GMT -5 Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate said:

It’d end up being knives or hammers or pipe bombs or something, albeit with significantly less death toll and probably less frequency.

That's a bum argument imo. Part of the appeal of a gun is that you don't have to get your hands dirty. Just a simple pull of a trigger. I'd wager the majority of these mass shooters wouldn't have the nerve to stab or bludgeon someone to death, nor the patience & brain-power to devise an explosive. That takes commitment. Guns are there for the impulsive cowards.

"A cowards way out, punk with a gun. Took a life, now you run." -Cold As Life

I agree, wholeheartedly. That’s why I said with less death and frequency. Still, there are kids who’ve brought knives to school with the same thoughts as school shooters. Getting rid of the guns doesn’t make the root societal issues go away, and we shouldn’t accept anything less than this phenomenon being solved at its very core. More importantly, we gotta be honest about the realistic ways this problem can be attacked. There’s a massive part of this country that will never give up their guns, period, and there’s no way to do it without searching ever Americans home because of the train wreck of ATF record keeping. We can call for banning guns because it’s the sensible and obvious solution, but it’s wasted energy when half the country will never allow that to happen. It’ll be easier to dump billions into social services and resources and the societal investments that can work to keep kids from falling through the cracks like these school shooters, than it would ever been to get rid of guns. The kids who end up doing this and their irresponsible parents represent a fraction of a percent of gun owning homes, and we’re fooling ourselves if we think banning guns is a practical solution. A properly funded and staffed youth mental health support program in every school, that regularly interfaced with each student starting in kindergarten(normalizing talking about feelings) with once monthly therapy, and had the power to extend and support beyond school, would make a huge dent. It would probably help intervene in many others way, like child abuse etc as well. Funding 5-8(or however many per student is appropriate) full time counselors in schools is way more realistically accomplished than the actual gun reforms that would need to be enacted to have a tangible impact. There may be obvious ways this problem can be mitigated through gun based legislation and control, but they’re not viable in modern America for logistical, political, and ideological reasons. There’s no point wasting all our energy trying to move a brick wall when we can just go around it and come at the problem from a different and more effective, cause based direction.

[MMST3K]

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[Porch Honky]

Sept 9, 2024 11:09:18 GMT -5 Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate said:

Something broke in Americas brain in the 80s.

Ironic too considering he's a gun grabber.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_Health_Systems_Act_of_1980


Satan bless the WOAT.

[cfloyd3]

they'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands amirite

[Ass Dan]

Take people’s guns and put them down if they resist.

[bonerinsweatpants]

theres something odd about the kentucky shooter that makes me scratch my head....

[cfloyd3]

Well he has terrible aim

[pisswizard]

Should just make owning guns be well regulated or something. I bet if they were well regulated then people wouldn’t be flipping out and mass murdering because that’s not well regulation.

[Marco Ducatti]

Sept 9, 2024 15:12:10 GMT -5 bonerinsweatpants said:

theres something odd about the kentucky shooter that makes me scratch my head....

MOTS one week no BIL

[xgreenxcloverx]

Sept 9, 2024 14:03:59 GMT -5 Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate said:

Sept 9, 2024 12:08:17 GMT -5 xgreenxcloverx said:

That's a bum argument imo. Part of the appeal of a gun is that you don't have to get your hands dirty. Just a simple pull of a trigger. I'd wager the majority of these mass shooters wouldn't have the nerve to stab or bludgeon someone to death, nor the patience & brain-power to devise an explosive. That takes commitment. Guns are there for the impulsive cowards.

"A cowards way out, punk with a gun. Took a life, now you run." -Cold As Life

I agree, wholeheartedly. That’s why I said with less death and frequency. Still, there are kids who’ve brought knives to school with the same thoughts as school shooters. Getting rid of the guns doesn’t make the root societal issues go away, and we shouldn’t accept anything less than this phenomenon being solved at its very core. More importantly, we gotta be honest about the realistic ways this problem can be attacked. There’s a massive part of this country that will never give up their guns, period, and there’s no way to do it without searching ever Americans home because of the train wreck of ATF record keeping. We can call for banning guns because it’s the sensible and obvious solution, but it’s wasted energy when half the country will never allow that to happen. It’ll be easier to dump billions into social services and resources and the societal investments that can work to keep kids from falling through the cracks like these school shooters, than it would ever been to get rid of guns. The kids who end up doing this and their irresponsible parents represent a fraction of a percent of gun owning homes, and we’re fooling ourselves if we think banning guns is a practical solution. A properly funded and staffed youth mental health support program in every school, that regularly interfaced with each student starting in kindergarten(normalizing talking about feelings) with once monthly therapy, and had the power to extend and support beyond school, would make a huge dent. It would probably help intervene in many others way, like child abuse etc as well. Funding 5-8(or however many per student is appropriate) full time counselors in schools is way more realistically accomplished than the actual gun reforms that would need to be enacted to have a tangible impact. There may be obvious ways this problem can be mitigated through gun based legislation and control, but they’re not viable in modern America for logistical, political, and ideological reasons. There’s no point wasting all our energy trying to move a brick wall when we can just go around it and come at the problem from a different and more effective, cause based direction.

Dude I think you truly hit the nail on the head right there. Idk how I missed you saying less death & frequency though. I think I just hyperfocused on you mentioning hammers & knives because that's almost always what people who are against legislating guns resort to in their arguments. Either way, thanks for the thoughtful poast. You def provided some shit to ruminate on.

[MMST3K]

Sept 9, 2024 14:51:30 GMT -5 Porch Honky said:

Sept 9, 2024 11:09:18 GMT -5 Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate said:

Something broke in Americas brain in the 80s.

Ironic too considering he's a gun grabber.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_Health_Systems_Act_of_1980


Satan bless the WOAT.

Ironically his brain also literally broke in the 80's.

[meatballmaniac]

Sept 9, 2024 20:04:37 GMT -5 pisswizard said:

Should just make owning guns be well regulated or something. I bet if they were well regulated then people wouldn’t be flipping out and mass murdering because that’s not well regulation.

I’m sorry, “well regulated” does not appear anywhere in the text of the 2nd Amendment

[SchlongConnery]

Sept 9, 2024 23:21:10 GMT -5 meatballmaniac said:

Sept 9, 2024 20:04:37 GMT -5 pisswizard said:

Should just make owning guns be well regulated or something. I bet if they were well regulated then people wouldn’t be flipping out and mass murdering because that’s not well regulation.

I’m sorry, “well regulated” does not appear anywhere in the text of the 2nd Amendment

Not even in the first sentence?

[burp]

We the Well Regulated people of the United States of America

[meatballmaniac]

Sept 9, 2024 23:27:30 GMT -5 SchlongConnery said:

Sept 9, 2024 23:21:10 GMT -5 meatballmaniac said:

I’m sorry, “well regulated” does not appear anywhere in the text of the 2nd Amendment

Not even in the first sentence?

definitely not there

[MMST3K]

Sept 9, 2024 23:27:30 GMT -5 SchlongConnery said:

Sept 9, 2024 23:21:10 GMT -5 meatballmaniac said:

I’m sorry, “well regulated” does not appear anywhere in the text of the 2nd Amendment

Not even in the first sentence?

The text often misinterpreted as "A Well Regulated Militia" is actually "A Well R.etarded Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." 

[SchlongConnery]

Sept 9, 2024 23:49:56 GMT -5 MMST3K said:

Sept 9, 2024 23:27:30 GMT -5 SchlongConnery said:

Not even in the first sentence?

The text often misinterpreted as "A Well Regulated Militia" is actually "A Well R.etarded Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." 

Officer Doofy reporting for duty.

[MMST3K]

Sept 10, 2024 2:05:40 GMT -5 SchlongConnery said:

Sept 9, 2024 23:49:56 GMT -5 MMST3K said:

The text often misinterpreted as "A Well Regulated Militia" is actually "A Well R.etarded Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." 

Officer Doofy reporting for duty.

[Remain Sedate]

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