☭POLITICS☭: Election Season Hell

[johnny two cool]

Oct 25, 2024 10:23:27 GMT -5 solidsnake said:

Oct 25, 2024 10:02:06 GMT -5 The Last Online Marxist said:

Me: centuries of history

You: phone make me upset and confused

This all gets non-falsifiable real quick, with everyone saying this NO THIS is why we’re here right now. When it’s a ton of things. But when a majority of citizens are siloed in their bullshit narratives, it portends bad things. They’re apt to hand the keys over to fix a catastrophe that isn’t. 

Okay Karl Popper let’s get you to bed

[The Last Online Marxist]

Now that I have correctly diagnosed our primary ailment I expect nothing less than absolute unity in this thread.

[meatballmaniac]

Oct 25, 2024 10:22:48 GMT -5 Ass Dan said:

Oct 25, 2024 10:17:14 GMT -5 The Last Online Marxist said:

define widespread spiritual transformation.

Having a method isn’t ideological purity.

Lay down your weapons and get on the making history bus. We’ve got miles to go pal.

Basically I've arrived at the conclusion that you need to move adults away from individualism and self centered love to a more collective consciousness and other centered love before you can transform economic relations. Trying to transform economic relations first is destined to fail because whatever you do people will still be stuck in the self centered mode of being.

this guy friggin gets it

[Ass Dan]

Oct 25, 2024 10:34:03 GMT -5 The Last Online Marxist said:

Here is the problem — we metabolize our society so that the vast majority produce and the few reap the value. It’s just the facts. It ain’t the dang phones, nor the politics, or whatever goes on in our minds. I’m sorry but all that stuff comes down stream of the fact that society gets a surplus, but a small minority has commandeered that for themselves.

If people are still in a “me first” frame of mind this still happens just along different dimensions. Instead of capitalists it will be party insiders or powerful industries.

There's a reason most successful examples of communism are small indigenous communities and small religious communities. It’s in the way they view themselves in relation to the world and others.

[The Last Online Marxist]

Telling people to look out for another won’t actually get them to do it. Today’s capitalist mantra is to “do what’s best for yourself and your desire.” While everyone fails to see their desire in the other. Fuck you I got mine

[The Last Online Marxist]

Oct 25, 2024 10:40:04 GMT -5 Ass Dan said:

Oct 25, 2024 10:34:03 GMT -5 The Last Online Marxist said:

Here is the problem — we metabolize our society so that the vast majority produce and the few reap the value. It’s just the facts. It ain’t the dang phones, nor the politics, or whatever goes on in our minds. I’m sorry but all that stuff comes down stream of the fact that society gets a surplus, but a small minority has commandeered that for themselves.

If people are still in a “me first” frame of mind this still happens just along different dimensions. Instead of capitalists it will be party insiders or powerful industries.

There's a reason most successful examples of communism are small indigenous communities and small religious communities. It’s in the way they view themselves in relation to the world and others.

most successful meaning what exactly

Not trying to do a socialism purity contest here. It’s basically a useless word these days anyway. I’m just saying, the dang problem is what it is

[carl carlson]

would be nice if talking to people to people took as much energy as casting a ballot

[solidsnake]

Oct 25, 2024 10:25:27 GMT -5 carl carlson said:

you should address the ass dan post instead

This directed at me? This thread is moving very quickly for a Friday morning. I think our institutions can be reformed, I don’t think they’re awful. As far as lack of stability among western countries, I’d say we’ve, thus far, held up better than England and some European countries. Again, for now that’s true. I think we have more of a media problem than other countries, which relates to the freedom we have to be wrong individually and our media/news have to be wrong, basically speaking lies with the thinnest veneer of plausible deniability, without penalty. I’m conflicted about that. 

[The Last Online Marxist]

Talking ain’t enough. Gotta organize

[Ass Dan]

Oct 25, 2024 10:41:28 GMT -5 The Last Online Marxist said:

Oct 25, 2024 10:40:04 GMT -5 Ass Dan said:

If people are still in a “me first” frame of mind this still happens just along different dimensions. Instead of capitalists it will be party insiders or powerful industries.

There's a reason most successful examples of communism are small indigenous communities and small religious communities. It’s in the way they view themselves in relation to the world and others.

most successful meaning what exactly

Not trying to do a socialism purity contest here. It’s basically a useless word these days anyway. I’m just saying, the dang problem is what it is

I meant most as in “majority”, not what has excelled the most. What would you say is the “most” in that sense? Vietnam?

[The Last Online Marxist]

Oct 25, 2024 10:44:17 GMT -5 Ass Dan said:

Oct 25, 2024 10:41:28 GMT -5 The Last Online Marxist said:

most successful meaning what exactly

Not trying to do a socialism purity contest here. It’s basically a useless word these days anyway. I’m just saying, the dang problem is what it is

I meant most as in “majority”, not what has excelled the most. What would you say is the “most” in that sense? Vietnam?

it’s none of my business tbh

[The Last Online Marxist]

Americans today love to talk forever about whose socialism was the most socialist while never actually organizing for socialism themselves

And like I said the word hardly means anything here, so how can we talk about it anyway

I’d just like it people who claimed to care actually got on the history bus and attempted to build worker/tenant organizations.

I’m not pointing fingers at anyone in this thread it’s just we’re gonna spin the wheels until we get “fascism” eh? Since it was brought up

[AL 🎄✨🦌]

I try to avoid social situations as much as possible 😝

[The Last Online Marxist]

Anti social socialists!!!!

[concealer]

Oct 25, 2024 10:48:14 GMT -5 The Last Online Marxist said:

Anti social socialists!!!!

Anti
Social
Socialist
Club

[solidsnake]

I guess my thesis is America creates people who are better off, but they may be worse people.

[johnny two cool]

Oct 25, 2024 10:34:27 GMT -5 The Last Online Marxist said:

Oct 25, 2024 10:33:34 GMT -5 johnny two cool said:

Politics thread will now move towards a critique of Marxist historiography, right into my wheelhouse!

post it narc

I’m busy doing real work rn lemme tap in later

[carl carlson]

that’s because it’s a manufactured competition over who is the best off

[Aaron]

Today I have moved on to acceptance

[Percussionist Foster Grant]

From what you can glean from McConnell's quotes/book coming out, the GOP's go-to strategy in the Trump years has been pumping the public sphere (pause) with info/polls that are favorable to them and their cause to hide the reality that their big picture numbers aren't great. You can safely assume they're using this same strategy right now for 2024 with these daily poll drops, probably hoping to dissuade low motivation voters from even bothering in the first place. "Trump's already got it locked up, so why bother?"

We learned with that failed Red Wave and 2020 how much this "see, we're gonna win EASY!" thing has paid dividends. Not to compare situations, since this is obviously way different with a democrat candidate lots of people seem to barely even know 11 days out from Election Day. Just saying, if it looks like there's millions of exit polls in favor of the GOP, that's 100% on purpose.

[solidsnake]

Oct 25, 2024 10:52:43 GMT -5 carl carlson said:

that’s because it’s a manufactured competition over who is the best off

Might be kinda true, I dunno. Every successful country is capitalist enough to an extent to make a leftist of old pretty upset. The European countries that Elizabeth Warren fans think are cool, and conservatives call commie slaves states, have shifted over the decades. They just have a big dick safety net. When I say Americans are maybe just worse, I don’t mean their day to day interactions or ability to care about things or consider their neighbors. Maybe just worse in big picture ways or…spiritually or some shit.

[solidsnake]

I really care about America and the world too. I think a lot of people do, but for some it’s performative bullshit, something to hang their ego or emotional volatility on. I’m legitimately upset at the prospect of millions of illegals getting forcibly deported, the further advancement of theocratic bs, and material conditions getting way worse for the average American. I only say this cuz I don’t think that many people who I know in real life actually care if these things come to pass, except for the last one. I wouldn’t say I’m a particularly fragile guy, and on paper I’ve kinda ticked all the boxes for having a perfectly fine life, but goddammit I believe in things and it’s vexing to watch things go south.

[carl carlson]

yeah the inability to think critically has a lot to do with why the half truths about the problems here are much easier to be spun as “the immigants are making everything more expensive and changing your way of life” vs the deeper structural problems.

[Ted Mujint]

Oct 25, 2024 10:45:51 GMT -5 The Last Online Marxist said:

Americans today love to talk forever about whose socialism was the most socialist while never actually organizing for socialism themselves

And like I said the word hardly means anything here, so how can we talk about it anyway

I’d just like it people who claimed to care actually got on the history bus and attempted to build worker/tenant organizations.

I’m not pointing fingers at anyone in this thread it’s just we’re gonna spin the wheels until we get “fascism” eh? Since it was brought up

There's a lot of pompous anti-communism in this thread, don't forget that.

[The Last Online Marxist]

Oct 25, 2024 11:27:21 GMT -5 Ted Mujint said:

Oct 25, 2024 10:45:51 GMT -5 The Last Online Marxist said:

Americans today love to talk forever about whose socialism was the most socialist while never actually organizing for socialism themselves

And like I said the word hardly means anything here, so how can we talk about it anyway

I’d just like it people who claimed to care actually got on the history bus and attempted to build worker/tenant organizations.

I’m not pointing fingers at anyone in this thread it’s just we’re gonna spin the wheels until we get “fascism” eh? Since it was brought up

There's a lot of pompous anti-communism in this thread, don't forget that.

as the day (thread) is long

[johnny two cool]

I am working on tribal workforce development and everyone needs to say “thank you, narc, for helping to ensure that the state functions to discharge my moral responsibilities.”

[JDS]

I think Trump's victory was sealed, regardless of his stance, character, party, rhetoric, etc... the second the dems decided a woman would run against him. Misogyny and Sexism run deep, it's the table while stuff like Fascism is merely a tablecloth that can be tossed aside.

[johnny two cool]

I will eventually produce my line-by-line critique of Marx's Capital Vol. 1.

You'll all be quite impressed, I assure you.

[carl carlson]

it is certainly unfortunate that the board is life politics thread is not immune to over a century’s worth of ongoing anti communist propaganda

[carl carlson]

Oct 25, 2024 11:43:44 GMT -5 JDS said:

I think Trump's victory was sealed, regardless of his stance, character, party, rhetoric, etc... the second the dems decided a woman would run against him. Misogyny and Sexism run deep, it's the table while stuff like Fascism is merely a tablecloth that can be tossed aside.

if michele obama was the candidate she would win in a landslide! the african americans would come out in droves for her!