Another mass shooting

[pisswizard]

Ar 15 go brrrrrrrrrr

[RIP RIDE!!!]

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[Cloud chasing the Ben diagram]

Mar 7, 2024 19:50:04 GMT -5 pisswizard said:

There was plenty of sex killers and murderers n shit in the old days but my theory on why mass shootings are a modern thing is just that the weapons to do so were not as widely available as they are now. A quick google says that there was about 50 million guns in the USA in the fifties to now about 400 million.
Now that households have automatic rifles n shit its a lot easier to carry out than when it was just grandads hunting rifle. Suburban dads were not buying very expensive Thompson rifles for their bullied kids to take selfies with like now.

we don’t have automatic rifles, they’re semi auto. Big difference, by about $30,000. But yeah I get what you’re saying.

[Ass Dan]

Sept 4, 2024 16:24:37 GMT -5 amplifiedohms said:

There is nothing more nauseating than a gun nerd talking details after mass shooting

[Cloud chasing the Ben diagram]

Yeah because I wish I had a giggle switch, like the rest of the world thinks we do.

[throwdemgunz]

Sept 5, 2024 14:34:30 GMT -5 Cloud chasing the Ben diagram said:

Mar 7, 2024 19:50:04 GMT -5 pisswizard said:

There was plenty of sex killers and murderers n shit in the old days but my theory on why mass shootings are a modern thing is just that the weapons to do so were not as widely available as they are now. A quick google says that there was about 50 million guns in the USA in the fifties to now about 400 million.
Now that households have automatic rifles n shit its a lot easier to carry out than when it was just grandads hunting rifle. Suburban dads were not buying very expensive Thompson rifles for their bullied kids to take selfies with like now.

we don’t have automatic rifles, they’re semi auto. Big difference, by about $30,000. But yeah I get what you’re saying.

Stephen Paddock had them though

[Cloud chasing the Ben diagram]

Sept 5, 2024 14:59:53 GMT -5 throwdemgunz said:

Sept 5, 2024 14:34:30 GMT -5 Cloud chasing the Ben diagram said:

we don’t have automatic rifles, they’re semi auto. Big difference, by about $30,000. But yeah I get what you’re saying.

Stephen Paddock had them though

you mean the HRT hit squad?

[Percussionist Foster Grant]

Sept 5, 2024 14:59:53 GMT -5 throwdemgunz said:

Sept 5, 2024 14:34:30 GMT -5 Cloud chasing the Ben diagram said:

we don’t have automatic rifles, they’re semi auto. Big difference, by about $30,000. But yeah I get what you’re saying.

Stephen Paddock had them though

Bump stocks mostly, was my understanding.

[theywalkedinline]

So the dad bought him this gun for Christmas after he was investigated for threatening to shoot up the school.

[krujones]

These people bring it upon themselves. Gun culture eats its own

[theywalkedinline]

Sept 5, 2024 14:36:09 GMT -5 Ass Dan said:

Sept 4, 2024 16:24:37 GMT -5 amplifiedohms said:

There is nothing more nauseating than a gun nerd talking details after mass shooting

EVERY.FUCKING.TIME

[theywalkedinline]

He was a 13-year-old ranting about trans people in his discord. I'm sure the dad is a piece of work.

[pisswizard]

Sept 6, 2024 7:14:31 GMT -5 theywalkedinline said:

So the dad bought him this gun for Christmas after he was investigated for threatening to shoot up the school.

I would have been astounded by that if there wasn’t a similar story for the last say, five school shooters.

[Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate]

Sept 6, 2024 7:18:58 GMT -5 theywalkedinline said:

He was a 13-year-old ranting about trans people in his discord. I'm sure the dad is a piece of work.

I hope, if all this about his father supposed negligence is true, we finally see an adult held responsible for their child’s actions.

[Ass Dan]

We already did earlier this year. And lots of cities are doing the same thing.

[Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate]

Sept 6, 2024 7:41:40 GMT -5 Ass Dan said:

We already did earlier this year. And lots of cities are doing the same thing.

How many have gone to jail?

[krujones]

The parents of the Michigan school shooter wen't to jail for like 10 years

[killedbyboard]

One element of this I never thought of is that nearly every school that has a mass shooting is eventually torn down and rebuilt, costing taxpayers millions each time. Sandy Hook, Parkland, Uvalde, all being or have already been demolished. Sometimes the whole school, sometimes just the building where it happened. The world moves on but the places where these shootings happen are changed forever. Can't imagine continuing to send my kids to school where a mass murder took place.

[Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate]

I just stumbled upon the comments on an NBC news segment covering the shooting.

I’m legitimately shook up by the sheer volume of people calling for a 14 year old to be put to death, or sent to prison for life. Yeah, he did a heinous thing but he’s 14, an age where brain development (especially in boys) is very immature and incredibly unstable. The kid doesn’t need prison, he need years of serious rehabilitation and therapy. His father needs life in prison, but the child absolutely does not. The only way to make this tragedy an even greater tragedy is to take the life of yet another child, one who was failed by society and is too young to properly care for themselves and whose brain isn’t even halfway to being fully developed.

[killedbyboard]

Sept 6, 2024 9:26:54 GMT -5 Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate said:

I just stumbled upon the comments on an NBC news segment covering the shooting.

I’m legitimately shook up by the sheer volume of people calling for a 14 year old to be put to death, or sent to prison for life. Yeah, he did a heinous thing but he’s 14, an age where brain development (especially in boys) is very immature and incredibly unstable. The kid doesn’t need prison, he need years of serious rehabilitation and therapy. His father needs life in prison, but the child absolutely does not. The only way to make this tragedy an even greater tragedy is to take the life of yet another child, one who was failed by society and is too young to properly care for themselves and whose brain isn’t even halfway to being fully developed.

When they announced that they were seeking the death penalty and trying him as an adult, I immediately remembered what it was like living in Tennessee and how fucking backwards and stupid the majority of people in the South are.

[Ass Dan]

I've noticed a lot of people have gotten very pro death penalty for things that aren't even murder. Trump is promising the death penalty for drug dealers. A lot of people want it for sex offenders but don't ever seem to think through all the problems with that.

Shit hole country.

[Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate]

Like, it’s pretty much guaranteed that this kid already is comprehending what he just did and is regretting it and could likely be released back into society and pose zero threat to anyone…and if he isn’t there yet, by 21 he almost certainly will be - even without any sort of rehabilitation or therapy. The kid is not a lost cause and it’s fucking tragic that we’re hungry as a society to just destroy another kids life rather than try to undo an ounce of the damage that caused this.

But maybe I’m just a bleeding heart or whatever. Early this year one of my dearest friends and her husband were killed by a lunatic who t-boned them while speeding high on meth with a history of DUI, addiction, and other traffic violations. They were pillars of our social circle and a bunch of people started saying they were contacting the DA to ask for the maximum punishment. The thought that the death of my friend, who lost a brother to addiction, and had immense compassion for me in my addiction, and another friend of ours in his, would result in giving up on another person in the throes of addiction really bothered me. I ended up writing the DA also, but asked that she please consider his history of untreated mental illness and addiction and to please push for mandated treatment or something as part of his sentencing, because I don’t think my friend would be okay with her death causing an addict to be given up on. The person who killed them is very likely not the person he is when he’s clean and sober, and I cant help but wish their death didn’t have to result essentially killing another person whose no doubt loved as much as we loved her.

Perhaps I have too much empathy for others and want to always see the good in people, but a society that seeks vengeance and perpetuates pain upon broken people, especially children, is not one that I want to be part of.

[Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate]

Sept 6, 2024 9:34:11 GMT -5 Ass Dan said:

I've noticed a lot of people have gotten very pro death penalty for things that aren't even murder. Trump is promising the death penalty for drug dealers. A lot of people want it for sex offenders but don't ever seem to think through all the problems with that.

Shit hole country.

Death for drug dealers is the stupidest fucking idea. Many low level dealers of dangerous drugs are using drugs themselves, just trying to support their own struggle, and they too deserve help and compassion. Not death. Even my old plug(one of) who wasn’t using was just a dude trying to support his family, and while I don’t respect his chosen way to do it, I don’t think he deserves prison for it. He was a decent guy who wen't out of his way to accommodate me and helped me stay well when things were tight, which he didn’t have to do. I mean, he also probably knew that if I was too sick to work that I’d lose my job and that might cause him to lose me as a customer. But still, he was just a guy who was trying to survive like the rest of us and while he was a very scrupulous and serious businessman, he definitely did what he could to keep my life from unraveling in an ironic way.

The only drug dealers that deserve hate are the ones who intentionally cut in fent or do other overtly reckless things that increase the risk to the user. This country is so hell bent on punishing people that it misses the forest for the trees on damn near every social ill we face.

[meatballmaniac]

Love a nuanced take. Cheers, freight!

[escapedfromthevalley]

Sept 6, 2024 9:59:11 GMT -5 Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate said:

Sept 6, 2024 9:34:11 GMT -5 Ass Dan said:

I've noticed a lot of people have gotten very pro death penalty for things that aren't even murder. Trump is promising the death penalty for drug dealers. A lot of people want it for sex offenders but don't ever seem to think through all the problems with that.

Shit hole country.

Death for drug dealers is the stupidest fucking idea. Many low level dealers of dangerous drugs are using drugs themselves, just trying to support their own struggle, and they too deserve help and compassion. Not death. Even my old plug(one of) who wasn’t using was just a dude trying to support his family, and while I don’t respect his chosen way to do it, I don’t think he deserves prison for it. He was a decent guy who wen't out of his way to accommodate me and helped me stay well when things were tight, which he didn’t have to do. I mean, he also probably knew that if I was too sick to work that I’d lose my job and that might cause him to lose me as a customer. But still, he was just a guy who was trying to survive like the rest of us and while he was a very scrupulous and serious businessman, he definitely did what he could to keep my life from unraveling in an ironic way.

The only drug dealers that deserve hate are the ones who intentionally cut in fent or do other overtly reckless things that increase the risk to the user. This country is so hell bent on punishing people that it misses the forest for the trees on damn near every social ill we face.

I'd support euthanizing the Sacklers, but we all know when people talk about "drug dealers" that's not what they mean

[Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate]

Sept 6, 2024 10:58:26 GMT -5 escapedfromthevalley said:

Sept 6, 2024 9:59:11 GMT -5 Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate said:

Death for drug dealers is the stupidest fucking idea. Many low level dealers of dangerous drugs are using drugs themselves, just trying to support their own struggle, and they too deserve help and compassion. Not death. Even my old plug(one of) who wasn’t using was just a dude trying to support his family, and while I don’t respect his chosen way to do it, I don’t think he deserves prison for it. He was a decent guy who wen't out of his way to accommodate me and helped me stay well when things were tight, which he didn’t have to do. I mean, he also probably knew that if I was too sick to work that I’d lose my job and that might cause him to lose me as a customer. But still, he was just a guy who was trying to survive like the rest of us and while he was a very scrupulous and serious businessman, he definitely did what he could to keep my life from unraveling in an ironic way.

The only drug dealers that deserve hate are the ones who intentionally cut in fent or do other overtly reckless things that increase the risk to the user. This country is so hell bent on punishing people that it misses the forest for the trees on damn near every social ill we face.

I'd support euthanizing the Sacklers, but we all know when people talk about "drug dealers" that's not what they mean

The sacklers deserve a far more violent death

[concealer]

Sept 6, 2024 9:44:29 GMT -5 Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate said:

Like, it’s pretty much guaranteed that this kid already is comprehending what he just did and is regretting it and could likely be released back into society and pose zero threat to anyone…and if he isn’t there yet, by 21 he almost certainly will be - even without any sort of rehabilitation or therapy.

Not to be Devil’s advocate or anything but this is a wildly presumptuous take. Not that it can’t be possible but the idea that it’s “basically guaranteed” that anybody who just shot and killed 4 people could be immediately released and pose zero threat to anybody with no therapy or rehab, despite you knowing basically nothing about the kid or his background or psych history etc other than he’s 14 and expressed threats before is wild.

[nastyy]

Surprising to see there would be such stupidity in a conversation about gun violence

[Cholo Molester]

I agree with freight, screw the families of the victims and those kids in the school who will probably have to deal with PTSD for life, the poor 14 year old shooter is the real victim of our capitalistic society. If you think about it, he actually didn't kill those 4 people when he shot up his school, it was American gun culture that did it. Recidivism? Idk what that word means, but I do know that poor kid probably feels bad about killing 4 people and he wouldn't pose a threat to society if we let him out. 

[MMST3K]

Mar 7, 2024 19:50:04 GMT -5 pisswizard said:

There was plenty of sex killers and murderers n shit in the old days but my theory on why mass shootings are a modern thing is just that the weapons to do so were not as widely available as they are now. A quick google says that there was about 50 million guns in the USA in the fifties to now about 400 million.
Now that households have automatic rifles n shit its a lot easier to carry out than when it was just grandads hunting rifle. Suburban dads were not buying very expensive Thompson rifles for their bullied kids to take selfies with like now.

In like 1912 in Albany New York some dude was running around shooting people with a suppressed 22. Not a new thing.