Another mass shooting

[Tstigz]

Ngl if someone killed my kid I’d want them dead too

[codync]

they should just make him kill his dad idk

[Cholo Molester]

Sept 6, 2024 12:23:09 GMT -5 Tstigz said:

Ngl if someone killed my kid I’d want them dead too

you're being insensitive to the shooter

what if he feels really bad about killing your kid?

[MMST3K]

Sept 6, 2024 12:24:18 GMT -5 Cholo Molester said:

Sept 6, 2024 12:23:09 GMT -5 Tstigz said:

Ngl if someone killed my kid I’d want them dead too

you're being insensitive to the shooter

what if he feels really bad about killing your kid?

Then he should kill himself.

[nastyy]

Sept 6, 2024 12:24:03 GMT -5 codync said:

they should just make him kill his dad idk

[Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate]

Sept 6, 2024 11:48:38 GMT -5 concealer said:

Sept 6, 2024 9:44:29 GMT -5 Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate said:

Like, it’s pretty much guaranteed that this kid already is comprehending what he just did and is regretting it and could likely be released back into society and pose zero threat to anyone…and if he isn’t there yet, by 21 he almost certainly will be - even without any sort of rehabilitation or therapy.

Not to be Devil’s advocate or anything but this is a wildly presumptuous take. Not that it can’t be possible but the idea that it’s “basically guaranteed” that anybody who just shot and killed 4 people could be immediately released and pose zero threat to anybody with no therapy or rehab, despite you knowing basically nothing about the kid or his background or psych history etc other than he’s 14 and expressed threats before is wild.

I mean, I’m obviously being a bit hyperbolic. I don’t think anyone is going to misinterpret what I said, and it’s not exactly uncommon for these kids to express remorse extremely quickly, certainly by sentencing. The kid is 14 years old. 14. Puberty has just started. He lived on discord. Kids that age still do shit like forget that things in the stove are hot, and cry when they get hurt. Sure, there’s a chance he’s got a real chronic disorder like psychopathy but statistically it’s unlikely.

“Arluke and Madfis studied 23 school shooters from 1988 to 2012 and found reports of prior animal cruelty in the histories of 10 of 23 of these shooters (43%)—a rate almost as high as that in the backgrounds of serial killers. They note, for example, that Columbine killers Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold boasted about mutilating animals for fun.8

But it is far from clear how specific or predictively useful this finding is, given that, in 1 study, 28% of 260 undergraduates admitted to having abused animals when they were children. As Arluke commented, “If we flag every incident of animal abuse, our mental health and justice systems would be overwhelmed with tens of thousands of cases to review.”

In a study of 10 “rampage school shooters,” investigator Peter Langman, PhD, found that the shooters fell into 3 main types or categories: traumatized, psychotic, and psychopathic. Langman described the psychopathic type as characterized by “…a lack of empathy; a sense of superiority and contempt for others; skill in impression management; pleasure in deceiving others; and sadistic delight in inflicting pain on humans and/or animals.” Of the 10 shooters studied, 3 were traumatized, 5 were psychotic, and only 2 were psychopathic. This study, of course, involved a very small “n” and extended only from 1997 to 2007; generalizing from the data is therefore risky. Nevertheless, Langman commented, “Though it might seem logical to think that mass murderers are psychopaths, most of the school shooters in this study were not psychopathic.”

And

“Inspired by past school shooters, some perpetrators are seeking fame and notoriety. However, most school shooters are motivated by a generalized anger. Their path to violence involves self-hate and despair turned outward at the world, and our research finds they often communicate their intent to do harm in advance as a final, desperate cry for help. The key to stopping these tragedies is for society to be alert to these warning signs and act on them immediately.“ - James Densley, PhD, and Jillian Peterson, PhD

It’s pretty widely accepted, through research, that these kids are mainly just fucked up kids in the throws of angry adolescence. Not chronically ill, dangerous forever due to a permanent disorder, lunatics. So yeah, it’s fair of you to play devils advocate but I’m being a bit hyperbolic because the research backs up the likelihood that this kid is right this very second coming to terms with the gravity of what he’s done and is no longer a danger, or will be in a relatively short period of time. Its not all that different from something like postpartum psychosis where a mother kills her newborn, in that once these people come back to sanity they are no longer a threat to anyone and it was a one off psychiatric episode that presents a complex question of responsibility. A question that unfortunately is usually answered by people’s emotions rather than science. Medical science knows this, and it’s why the science suggests the best course of action is to admit people to hospitals for long term treatment until doctors determine the person has recovered and is ready for reintegration. Plenty of countries do exactly that, and often it takes years, sometimes decades, before doctors feel comfortable with their release, but eventually many people will be released even after doing heinous things - and they very rarely reoffend. A stark contrast from the post prison rate of reoffending.

A healthy society would be worried about how this happened, how to help the kid, and how to help the victims families…and wait until the doctors decide he’s a monster to make that assumption, because its likely to not be the case.

[MMST3K]

There's apparently been mass shootings since the year 1900. Jesus Christ.

[Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate]

Sept 6, 2024 12:16:11 GMT -5 Cholo Molester said:

I agree with freight, screw the families of the victims and those kids in the school who will probably have to deal with PTSD for life, the poor 14 year old shooter is the real victim of our capitalistic society. If you think about it, he actually didn't kill those 4 people when he shot up his school, it was American gun culture that did it. Recidivism? Idk what that word means, but I do know that poor kid probably feels bad about killing 4 people and he wouldn't pose a threat to society if we let him out. 

If you’re so dense that you can’t see the wider implications on how we approach these kids and what it says about, and impacts, how we approach prevention and intervention, then I don’t know what to tell you. Want this shit to stop? If so, it doesn’t happen until society stops viewing this kids at not our responsibility, and approach them with compassion with a focus on helping them. If we’re not willing to help them when a fucking child has done something wrong, we sure as hell haven’t reached a point where we genuinely comprehend and give a shit about how to prevent this stuff.

Giving a shit about the victims and having a system that operates on science and compassion rather than state sanctioned violence and reactionary punishment for sick people are not mutually exclusive. Frankly, hot take, but I think society at large has an obligation to do the right thing, rather than the thing that focuses on helping a handful of people, when the implications for society at large are very dangerous when we give in to emotional reactions to shit like this. Fuck this kid, absolutely, but I sure as fuck want the state to rise above emotion and do the right thing, even if it’s uncomfortable. The state should not operate on emotions.

[killedbyboard]

Sept 6, 2024 12:24:18 GMT -5 Cholo Molester said:

Sept 6, 2024 12:23:09 GMT -5 Tstigz said:

Ngl if someone killed my kid I’d want them dead too

you're being insensitive to the shooter

what if he feels really bad about killing your kid?

[Cholo Molester]

Freight sounds like the council on the Fallout show

[killedbyboard]

Sept 6, 2024 12:16:11 GMT -5 Cholo Molester said:

I agree with freight, screw the families of the victims and those kids in the school who will probably have to deal with PTSD for life, the poor 14 year old shooter is the real victim of our capitalistic society. If you think about it, he actually didn't kill those 4 people when he shot up his school, it was American gun culture that did it. Recidivism? Idk what that word means, but I do know that poor kid probably feels bad about killing 4 people and he wouldn't pose a threat to society if we let him out. 

Filing this one away in the memory bank for if we have debate in the future.

[nastyy]

I think he is mocking freight

[Cholo Molester]

Sept 6, 2024 12:38:26 GMT -5 killedbyboard said:

Sept 6, 2024 12:16:11 GMT -5 Cholo Molester said:

I agree with freight, screw the families of the victims and those kids in the school who will probably have to deal with PTSD for life, the poor 14 year old shooter is the real victim of our capitalistic society. If you think about it, he actually didn't kill those 4 people when he shot up his school, it was American gun culture that did it. Recidivism? Idk what that word means, but I do know that poor kid probably feels bad about killing 4 people and he wouldn't pose a threat to society if we let him out. 

Filing this one away in the memory bank for if we have debate in the future.

I'll gladly remind you of it if we do debate in the future because I stand by it. What Freight said about the shooter "Like, it’s pretty much guaranteed that this kid already is comprehending what he just did and is regretting it and could likely be released back into society and pose zero threat to anyone…and if he isn’t there yet, by 21 he almost certainly will be - even without any sort of rehabilitation or therapy." was just dumb. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[MMST3K]

Sept 6, 2024 12:36:36 GMT -5 Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate said:

Sept 6, 2024 12:16:11 GMT -5 Cholo Molester said:

I agree with freight, screw the families of the victims and those kids in the school who will probably have to deal with PTSD for life, the poor 14 year old shooter is the real victim of our capitalistic society. If you think about it, he actually didn't kill those 4 people when he shot up his school, it was American gun culture that did it. Recidivism? Idk what that word means, but I do know that poor kid probably feels bad about killing 4 people and he wouldn't pose a threat to society if we let him out. 

If you’re so dense that you can’t see the wider implications on how we approach these kids and what it says about, and impacts, how we approach prevention and intervention, then I don’t know what to tell you. Want this shit to stop? If so, it doesn’t happen until society stops viewing this kids at not our responsibility, and approach them with compassion with a focus on helping them. If we’re not willing to help them when a fucking child has done something wrong, we sure as hell haven’t reached a point where we genuinely comprehend and give a shit about how to prevent this stuff.

Giving a shit about the victims and having a system that operates on science and compassion rather than state sanctioned violence and reactionary punishment for sick people are not mutually exclusive. Frankly, hot take, but I think society at large has an obligation to do the right thing, rather than the thing that focuses on helping a handful of people, when the implications for society at large are very dangerous when we give in to emotional reactions to shit like this. Fuck this kid, absolutely, but I sure as fuck want the state to rise above emotion and do the right thing, even if it’s uncomfortable. The state should not operate on emotions.

Don't bother arguing with that idiot Freight.

[Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate]

Sept 6, 2024 12:41:40 GMT -5 nastyy said:

I think he is mocking freight

He’s trying, while sounding like a meathead who can’t grasp nuance.

A swing and a miss.

[nastyy]

Sept 6, 2024 12:43:00 GMT -5 Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate said:

Sept 6, 2024 12:41:40 GMT -5 nastyy said:

I think he is mocking freight

He’s trying, while sounding like a meathead who can’t grasp nuance.

A swing and a miss.

in his defense you sound dumb too

[Ass Dan]

Sept 6, 2024 12:16:11 GMT -5 Cholo Molester said:

I agree with freight, screw the families of the victims and those kids in the school who will probably have to deal with PTSD for life, the poor 14 year old shooter is the real victim of our capitalistic society. If you think about it, he actually didn't kill those 4 people when he shot up his school, it was American gun culture that did it. Recidivism? Idk what that word means, but I do know that poor kid probably feels bad about killing 4 people and he wouldn't pose a threat to society if we let him out. 

I think the no rehabilitation part of what he said was too extreme but the point is that his brain isn't fully developed and some of the danger he poses would subside by just giving his brain time to develop. Life in prison probably isn't keeping anyone safer than 10-20 years in prison with some mental health treatment would. It’s just punitive for the sake of it.

Then again I think prisons should mostly be replaced with mandatory mental health treatment, gps monitoring, and some sort of separate but humane community for the truly dangerous. If you got a thirst for “justice” try restorative justice instead.

[Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate]

Sept 6, 2024 12:42:50 GMT -5 MMST3K said:

Sept 6, 2024 12:36:36 GMT -5 Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate said:

If you’re so dense that you can’t see the wider implications on how we approach these kids and what it says about, and impacts, how we approach prevention and intervention, then I don’t know what to tell you. Want this shit to stop? If so, it doesn’t happen until society stops viewing this kids at not our responsibility, and approach them with compassion with a focus on helping them. If we’re not willing to help them when a fucking child has done something wrong, we sure as hell haven’t reached a point where we genuinely comprehend and give a shit about how to prevent this stuff.

Giving a shit about the victims and having a system that operates on science and compassion rather than state sanctioned violence and reactionary punishment for sick people are not mutually exclusive. Frankly, hot take, but I think society at large has an obligation to do the right thing, rather than the thing that focuses on helping a handful of people, when the implications for society at large are very dangerous when we give in to emotional reactions to shit like this. Fuck this kid, absolutely, but I sure as fuck want the state to rise above emotion and do the right thing, even if it’s uncomfortable. The state should not operate on emotions.

Don't bother arguing with that idiot Freight.

I’m not going to. It’s clear he’s not got enough brain wrinkles to participate in a rational adult conversation.

[killedbyboard]

Sept 6, 2024 12:42:29 GMT -5 Cholo Molester said:

Sept 6, 2024 12:38:26 GMT -5 killedbyboard said:

Filing this one away in the memory bank for if we have debate in the future.

I'll gladly remind you of it if we do debate in the future because I stand by it. What Freight said about the shooter "Like, it’s pretty much guaranteed that this kid already is comprehending what he just did and is regretting it and could likely be released back into society and pose zero threat to anyone…and if he isn’t there yet, by 21 he almost certainly will be - even without any sort of rehabilitation or therapy." was just dumb. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Doesn't mean what you said, being similarly hyperbolic in your mocking of what he said, wasn't also dumb.

[MMST3K]

Some guy who shot up a school around here when I was in school got attacked with a katana in Albany not that long ago. Weird how karma works.

[Cholo Molester]

Sept 6, 2024 12:42:50 GMT -5 MMST3K said:

Sept 6, 2024 12:36:36 GMT -5 Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate said:

Don't bother arguing with that idiot Freight.

lol Ray weren't you crying about having a learning disability one time when I was mean to you? its why I haven't made fun of you in years 

[MMST3K]

Sept 6, 2024 12:56:38 GMT -5 Cholo Molester said:

Sept 6, 2024 12:42:50 GMT -5 MMST3K said:

Don't bother arguing with that idiot Freight.

lol Ray weren't you crying about having a learning disability one time when I was mean to you? its why I haven't made fun of you in years 

Dyscalculia is a learning disorder that affects a person's ability to understand number-based information and math. People who have dyscalculia struggle with numbers and math because their brains don't process math-related concepts like the brains of people without this disorder.

I fail to see how that makes me an idiot but the stupid shit you said doesn't make you one.

[Thin Lizzy Gulag Graduate]

Sept 6, 2024 13:05:08 GMT -5 MMST3K said:

Sept 6, 2024 12:56:38 GMT -5 Cholo Molester said:

lol Ray weren't you crying about having a learning disability one time when I was mean to you? its why I haven't made fun of you in years 

Dyscalculia is a learning disorder that affects a person's ability to understand number-based information and math. People who have dyscalculia struggle with numbers and math because their brains don't process math-related concepts like the brains of people without this disorder.

I fail to see how that makes me an idiot but the stupid shit you said doesn't make you one.

Taking the high road is a good look

[Cholo Molester]

Sept 6, 2024 13:05:08 GMT -5 MMST3K said:

Sept 6, 2024 12:56:38 GMT -5 Cholo Molester said:

lol Ray weren't you crying about having a learning disability one time when I was mean to you? its why I haven't made fun of you in years 

Dyscalculia is a learning disorder that affects a person's ability to understand number-based information and math. People who have dyscalculia struggle with numbers and math because their brains don't process math-related concepts like the brains of people without this disorder.

I fail to see how that makes me an idiot but the stupid shit you said doesn't make you one.

MMS my dude you're the last person that should be casting stones, but ok, I'll keep this in mind next time you're acting like a fool and I have the urge to give back the same energy you're putting out. But when you start crying about people being mean to you again, just remember it started here. 

[MMST3K]

Sept 6, 2024 13:11:36 GMT -5 Cholo Molester said:

Sept 6, 2024 13:05:08 GMT -5 MMST3K said:

Dyscalculia is a learning disorder that affects a person's ability to understand number-based information and math. People who have dyscalculia struggle with numbers and math because their brains don't process math-related concepts like the brains of people without this disorder.

I fail to see how that makes me an idiot but the stupid shit you said doesn't make you one.

MMS my dude you're the last person that should be casting stones, but ok, I'll keep this in mind next time you're acting like a fool and I have the urge to give back the same energy you're putting out. But when you start crying about people being mean to you again, just remember it started here. 

What are you gonna do give me a math test?

[nastyy]

Goddamn lol

[codync]

don't come to this thread tomorrow

[Cholo Molester]

mms talking very spicy rn lmao 

[bonerinsweatpants]

MMS on a straight heater rn

[Cholo Molester]

ray is my boy